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Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Andreaphalus is hilariously one-note, even for a In Nomine superior.

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Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Fossilized Rappy posted:

I don't know why, but I just really can't imagine Belial calling anyone "raghead", even an archangel. Nybbas, sure, because he's the id of human media, but it seems strange to me to have the demon prince of fire just belt out a human slur out of nowhere, even if it's against someone he absolutely hates.

EDIT: I felt the same way when he called Gabriel a bitch. Maybe I'm just too used to archaic-style demons.

Despite his penchant for snazzy suits, Belial is the shithead prince. Even Haagenti is classier than he is, and Haagenti's idea of fine dining is a pallet of canned chocolate frosting.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Yves seems nice, but I have little patience for people being cryptic at me in games. Also, I'm looking foreward to the section where it describes what Angels of Destiny actually do in a game.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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I am genuinely surprised that Janus and Valefor aren't in the same book, back-to-back.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Josef bugman posted:

Is he the storm one? Because I'd just make him Orlanth.

Nah, Jordi is Animals, and he's basically a oWoD Werewolf that somehow became a Archangel. He fuckin' hates humans.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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PantsOptional posted:

Unless they made more Superiors books that I don't know about, what we've already got is all there is.

That's too bad. Jordi is the Superior that could most benefit from a good writeup to expand his range from RAR gently caress HUMANS RAR and RAR PEACOCK SPIDERS ARE FUKKIN' ADORABLE RAR

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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If I were running In Nomine, I'd run Jordi as having been completely disinterested in The War and humanity right up until the extinction of the Passenger Pidgeon, and he's been desperately trying to play catch-up ever since. He's totally in over his head and relies heavily on his Mercurian advisors in any situation other than stuff to maintain and manage the animal population of Earth.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Mors Rattus posted:

The GM's guide talks about running In Nomine Backwards, which is 'Hell is the good guys,' and low-contrast In Nomine, which is 'both sides are roughly equal, morally speaking.'

Another setting variant that was popular on the mailing list when I read it back in high school was playing the game upside down- with all of the Superiors on the other side, so you end up with Andreaphalus, Archangel of Love, opposing Novalis, Demon Princess of Thorns. Of course, you need to come up with a whole new list of attunements for this...

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Also: Prozac? Seriously?

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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I'm kind of disappointed there isn't an explaination as to why antidepressants promote Drugs while asprin or statins don't. I guess I'll chalk it up to '90s anti-medication hysteria.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Hey, it's Belphegor!

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Mors Rattus posted:

Westerns often used the Civil War backdrop to establish a guy as a badass by being a former soldier, and out in the West to avoid penalties for desertion. Generally Southerners, as the Northern stereotype is the city slicker.

Well, yeah, but we're talking about the surprisingly common trope of the Confederacy surviving the war as a separate state which somehow doesn't practice slavery despite it being the entire cause of the war and enshrined in their constitution and the constitutions of several of the individual states and thousands of letters from everyone involved saying 'Gosh, I really do love slavery!'

Personally, I'd be okay with the Confederacy showing up in a western RPG as long as the game made it clear that these guys are, y'know, the American Nazis and exist primarily so there's ten thousand yellow-bellied scum-sucking traitors for your cowpokes to shoot.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Night10194 posted:

The base concept of Lillith is cool. Someone who was wronged, felt used and betrayed, sought freedom and then grasped it in a FYGM way that makes them a champion of doing to others what was done to them seems like a nice cosmic cycle of abuse hook. Just the execution is not quite so interesting.

Yeah, I think the most important thing I learned from all this is that Lilith and the Lilim are all insufferable, and Jordi isn't all bad because he hates Lilith.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Black August posted:

Sensible GMs of the system toss the Wind's condition or introduce caveats to make it sane.

Yeah, Wind's dissonance condition is so harsh that either you build your campaign around it or you can't have Wind angels in your campaign. The only dissonance condition that's nearly that bad is Secrets', and that one merely makes all sorts of simple day-to-day communication difficult, like ordering a hamburger.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Litheroy sounds like the Archangel of Ruining Heavenly Plans. I bet once you fledge, you aren't really considered a Angel of Revelations until you get your first swirlie.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Cythereal posted:

They're not the glamorous succubi you normally hear about, but your average Lilim is the Hellish version of an office drone or truck driver.

Also, every Lilim truck driver or office drone gets really salty when you mention the sexy green-skinned girl image that's plastered over every billboard in Shal-Mari.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Litheroy seems like the nicest Superior to deal with. Eli's a close second, but he's, y'know, insane even by Superior standards. Yves is niceish, but he's also cryptic, which I have mentioned I have a intense dislike of.

While I think the whole story of the time Andre banged Roy is cute, I do gotta wonder what circumstances it could possibly have occured in, given Litheroy's stated 'SMASH DEMON FACES' stance.

EDIT: Oh, something I've been meaning to ask: Is Litheroy made up 100% of whole cloth, or is there a historical/angelological origin for the name?

Ratoslov fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 7, 2016

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Rand Brittain posted:

Litheroy is a great boss for a game but working for him would be absolute hell.

Pretty much every superior would be hellish to work for. Eli is an exception here, but that's because Eli is completely AWOL.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Black August posted:

...or just drown you to death in a building-sized swarm of giant angry wasps like Kyriotates.

This is why I can't hate Jordi entirely. Sure, he's a waste of page count everywhere else, but nothing says awesome like killing demons with BEEEEEEESSSSSS!

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Maybe Asmodeus's word, which he interprets as 'everything', is giving Eli word-friction like Gabriel.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Doresh posted:

Are there any magical girl RPGs around that aren't in some way Madoka-ish? Or do I have to make a Pretty: The Curing myself?

I would play a Happy Magical Girl RPG so hard. I like Madoka, but it's too drat gloomy for a RPG.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Why is 'Fairy-tales are real!' a lynchpin of the setting? A lot of fairy-tales are quite sexist.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Hostile V posted:

You could just do what I did a few times, which was "not think about the prices of the stuff you're putting in front of the players and just throw stuff you think is cool into the mix". It started off with " those four farmhands are actually all Drow Spies with rings of disguise person" and got more fun from there.

Yeah, I remember hearing about a 3,x game where the game master introduced a huge double-door made out of adamantine into a mid-level dungeon in order to minimize the players' ability to circumvent it via shenanigans. The players immediately absconded with the door, since it was more valuable than all the treasure in the rest of the dungeon combined by a factor of ten.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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I have absolutely no idea what's going on in this picture. Were Bikini Robot Lady and Slobbering Brokenhearted Giant Poor Anatomy Guy playing cards, and she suddenly turned towards the camera to pose? What does the quote mean, given that there are a total of zero humans in the artwork? I am totally confused.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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I would love a ax of + vs Motherfuckers. It's the absolute best enchantment.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Zereth posted:

Unless they're Dominic in which case they're going to visit the Judgement PC every single week.

Presumably at the end of the episode, where he can read his Servitor's report on what they've learned about the nature of friendship personally.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Simian_Prime posted:

Dominic works best as Heaven's police commissioner, telling the PC's that they're "loose cannons" and "out of line". He always threatens to take their Words, but he keeps these Angels on the edge around anyway... Because they get *results*!

I want to play an Angel of Judgement now.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Black August posted:

I find it deeply hilarious that Asmodeus of all people actually seems to use his Soldiers smartly, if callously, and will even Knight some, which is really goddamn cool.

It'd be pretty funny if Hell's biggest single advantage in the war was that they had the best HR department- not because of some basic benevolence, but because it's good for internal propaganda and it gives Hell an edge. Meanwhile, Heaven sucks at it, because most of the Archangels are kinda inhuman and of the opinion that the humans should be perfectly happy working for Heaven for free with no vacations or health benefits.

Edit: This is also why Novalis and Marc are disproportionately powerful- it's because whenever a Soldier of someone else meets a Soldier of those two and finds out that their organizations actually pay them, they transfer over immediately.

Ratoslov fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Feb 22, 2016

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Black August posted:

Marc is great because he's a Mercurian and not to be hosed with.

Marc: The Archangel of Actually Getting poo poo Done.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Black August posted:

EDIT: Also I'm trying to say that Capitalism isn't Marc's point, at the base concept. Why would the Archangel who encompasses every single concept of Trade be limited to one dysfunctional human system anyways?

Yeah, it's worth remembering that Capitalism is only about five hundred years old and isn't synonymous with trade. Marc's word encompasses capitalistic economies, but it also encompasses socialist or communist societies, or for that matter gift economies or post-scarcity societies. As long as stuff is moving around to fulfill human needs or desires, it's Trade. Marc's word is ridiculously powerful.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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senrath posted:

When was this published, exactly? Because pretty much every group I've been in that I can recall have been instantly suspicious of any children that show up. "The child is actually the villain!" isn't expectation defying, it's practically cliche.

'The seemingly harmless being that's just hanging out in the dungeon turns out to be dangerous!' is the most incredibly transparent D&D cliche. Something like a quarter of the Monstrous Manual is critters built around that exact gimmick. I'd actually be impressed if this guy managed to make anyone at all fall for it.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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gradenko_2000 posted:

Further, I think there's a level of "strike back at the players!" at work here. The GM is, in a way, supposed to lose, and each individual encounter is supposed to be easy. Trying to do Tucker's Kobolds in 3.5e or 4e should probably be budgeted as one large and long and draggy encounter with lots of kobolds at play, lots of "bad terrain" and a high "hazard score" to drive up the Challenge Rating into the equivalent of a "traditional" boss fight in the first place.

Yeah, but that misses the point of Tucker's Kobolds. Not only are you taking a lovely speed-bump critter and using it to make a ridiculously difficult encounter, but you're also making it so that in the event that the PCs somehow win, they get pathetically little XP and treasure to boot.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Crasical posted:

Witch Girls Adventures has always been that specific frequency of terrible that I can't look away from it, and in fact, crave more.

I'm perversely happy to see it back in the thread again.

Me too. It's already been pretty horrible/good, I'm sure it's going to go somewhere magical.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Also, Donate broke the game all nasty-like.

Ratoslov
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Count Chocula posted:

Maybe they're aspects of the same being, a neutral/balance type, like Destiny or Prince Gaynor.

My guess is along these lines- one of the side effects of making a universe is that you end up with Yves and Kronos as embodied representations of Destiny and Fate. It's just the way the math works out. They're not angels or demons, but they're similar enough to play the role of a Superior (like Lilith).

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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THE SONG OF DONGS

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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AmiYumi posted:

I made fun of it when I ran L5R by giving all of my Unicorn NPCs super dumb names, mostly food puns.

My favorite L5R name pun comes from a fox-clan samurai my brother played, Kitsune Udon.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Count Chocula posted:

It's Distance based on the Law of Sympathy. It's not 'physical' distance but how we perceive it. And Familiar is my neighbor or local coffee shop. Very Familiar is my house that I grew up in.

Which is great if you're a Hermetic but terrible if you're not.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Count Chocula posted:

Nah, its easier for me to treat the world this way and let my GPS give me directions. But seriously, there's enough spells (and mundane technology) that render physical 'distance' meaningless, so it's better if the whole game works on those assumptions. And they're clearly laid out, just like how Etheral Player's Guide lays out its dream-logic.

Yes, and that's bad, because it (further) establishes that while you may be pretending to believe in Science! or Buddhism or whatever, you're just play-acting and you're really a chaos mage. There's dozens of possible definitions for Distance that don't involve the Law of Sympathy. Maybe it's easier to teleport to Google's server room than it is to teleport to my family home because the server room has more bandwidth. Maybe it's easy to teleport to places with lots of death and the veil between worlds is thin, like people about to die or graveyards, than it is to teleport to jungles or houses. Maybe distance is a lie entirely. But that's all not true, what is true is Brucato's version of chaos magic.

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Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Rand Brittain posted:

Honestly I wouldn't actually mind if the Traditions were an eclectic group of all possible mystics rather than nine splats, but then, there's a reason White Wolf has always stuck to using splats—they're really helpful to new players.

I kinda think that it'd be better if the Tradition splat wasn't sorted by Paradigm, but rather being political groups that share a vision for what the world should be like after they take down the Technocracy and establish a new world order. You could have a group that envisions a global transcendance over the physical form, and have both a radical transhumanist cyborg hacker and a traditional zen buddhist monk fit into that splat.

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