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PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Comrade Koba posted:

The Demon Lord of Totally Edgy Jokes.

Just when I didn't think this could get more 90's. :golfclap:

The other big problem with Kobal is that the writers really have a big dumb hard-on for him. The first round of supplements for the book includes what basically amounts to a (pretty bad and railroady) campaign series which all revolves around Kobal pulling off a series of incredibly convoluted bullshit for his own amusement. It's been a while since I read all six chapters of it but I remember thinking that there was a pretty big gap between "what the PCs can do" and "how to solve the problem and save the day."

Also, now that Valefor has been written up, it's worth noting that 90% of his entry is a copy and paste from Janus. I don't think that anything was ever done with that or the implications thereof.

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PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Cythereal posted:

Isn't Kobal just the Joker?

Kind of. I'd say he's basically what happens when you combine the Joker and Loki in a blender and stamp on "OC DO NOT STEAL." They tried to build him up more in later supplements as being more than just that, but given how much focus he'd already received from the campaign it felt like overload.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Nybbas' struggle with the rise of the Internet actually becomes a plot point touched on in two later supplements. The long and short of it is that he's having a hard time adapting the up-and-coming Internet into a weapon to be used in the War. He can push out subliminal messages (and Songs) and control the narrative in traditional corporate media, but he's stymied by user-generated content since there are fewer ways to effectively seed his agents.

At a guess, I'd say he's still absurdly relevant and fairly powerful but he's probably scrambling to get as much corporate control of the Internet as possible.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Man, wait till you guys get to the Revelations supplements for In Nomine. If you think their treatment of Islam is potentially problematic now, wait till you get to the explicitly Muslim Archangel of Faith, who is about one bad day away from giving the thumbs up to suicide bombers.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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I would be very curious to see how the French original compares to the English version, after all this.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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If memory serves, there is an Israfel in the big book of Songs. She's the angel of music, serving under Eli.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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mcclay posted:

loving sick. Is it real world gods or does it have rules to make your own?

In short, both. You're generally assumed to be a ethereal spirit of your own devising, not a god, and though there are rules for creating lesser outright gods , the real big names like Odin are too powerful for play. As your own ethereal spirit, you can impersonate one of the old gods, or be one of their cast-off fragments of themselves, but those have consequences all on their own. Also, in general, ethereals who manifest on the corporeal plane have to keep it very quiet as the forces of Heaven will come after them.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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If memory serves, the next Superiors book is all about the Shal-Mari Princes, which should be good thread fodder.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Mors Rattus posted:

I actually agree - my favorite campaign seed tends to be 'Haagenti and/or Kobal Redeems, Jordi Falls'.

Not least because frankly, Jordi is basically counterproductive already. In this setting, being an angel that despises humanity and wants them all dead doesn't really...work.

Especially once we're given the nature of the schism that led to the Fall. Jordi seems like he'd be within an inch of Falling after all that.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Rand Brittain posted:

Dark Humor is such a terrible name for a Word. Why not "Black Humor" or "Schadenfreude" or even just stick with "Laughter."?

Well, for the first one, it's probably because "black humor" sounds weirdly racist.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm reading through Ken[neth Hite] Writes About Stuff's issue about the mythological figure of Lilith, and the "Queen of the Vampires" version of Lilith as a Night's Black Agents villain has her statted out at 50 Aberrance

The mechanics seem to reinforce the theme of the player-agents being in over their heads because unless you have a super-solid plan, any "real" Vampire that recognizes the players as a threat can just dump a dozen Aberrance into an attack and kill someone dead pretty much instantly. You can't really face any of the "bosses" without having waged a war to deny them of their lackeys, their equipment, their resources and their lifeblood first.

I haven't played NBA, but having read the Dracula Dossier I can barely imagine confronting him even after you've done all that.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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IIRC the next Superiors book has some really interesting stuff, especially when you get to Yves, so I vote for that one.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Hypocrisy posted:

I didn't want to judge Jordi before he got his full write up!

Unless they made more Superiors books that I don't know about, what we've already got is all there is.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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mcclay posted:

Not sure how I feel about Jews being strongly tied to Mammon. That seems kind of really racist.

I'm pretty sure that's the point - they're not actually tied to him, he's a huge racist who loves the stereotype so much that he goes out of his way to collect any Jewish souls who end up in Hell.

E: Also, it's an interesting look at how the nature of a Balseraph plays out - he helped create the stereotype, and then bought into it utterly and completely.

PantsOptional fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Feb 2, 2016

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Is the GM's guide the one with the weird adventure in it about the plane crash, or was that just the GM screen kit? If it is, I say that; otherwise Lilith and whatever other Superiors one-offs you have.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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kaynorr posted:

IIRC, she was widely believed to be the self-insert/Mary Sue of Beth McCoy, who was the In Nomine line developer for a while. Read GURPS IOU and compare/constrast with the ArchDean for much the same MO.

What a surprise that there's an entry for her on some furry wiki.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Black August posted:

(Furfur was my baby. But I got off scott free because nobody cared and the line was dying by then anyways.)

Wait, the line was dying by the time Night Music rolled around? Wasn't that the first supplement?

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Black August posted:

Yup. In more simple terms, Uriel, the Seraph Archangel of Purity, saw Lucifer's bullshit and went Super Saiyan.

As for the adjudication thing, no, Malakim were meant to be the Big Bad Demon Slayers the whole time. But the mechanics do nothing to really support that. Malakim can't Fall, supposedly, and they suffer no Trauma, but nobody ever cares about or gives a poo poo for Trauma rules, and it's functionally useless as a demon hunter power in the base setting. A lot of Choir attunements ended up giving them an edge, and Laurence is balls-to-the-wall murder mode, but base Malakim just... should stand aside and let Ofanim trash the living dogshit out of things with their insane resonance and gigantic corporeal combat bonuses.

Of note, the original French version had no Choirs or Bands. Angels and Demons were Angels and Demons.

I'm curious as to what about the Ofanite resonance makes them so much better in combat. Aside from being able to dodge just about anything, they should be pretty good at thrown weapons but surely there are better weapons to use. I'm not doubting that they probably are too good at fighting - there's got to be a reason why the APG tries to redefine the relevant skills for the resonance, aside from the fact that by default Ofanim couldn't use their super motion powers to drive better.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Black August posted:

In Nomine combat is barebones. Ofanim have a gross advantage because of their speed and being able to boost so many physical skills, and Go Fast. Now, this doesn't give them the absolute advantage, since you really need proper Word attunements to roid out, but on base paper, Ofanim are superior demon slayers to Malakim.

Oh, man, I dug out my books to poke through them to see just how gross I could make an Ofanite, and two things struck me:

1) You can add your Acrobatics skill to Dodge against melee attacks to make it disgustingly hard to hit you even before their resonance comes in to play. Thinking back on it, I"m pretty sure I realized this when I made my last character and oh my god was it really fifteen years ago.

2) This loving book, man - it took me a good three or four minutes going back and forth over the combat section to find the one place that it mentions how initiative is determined, and it's in a "sidebar" on the last page of the combat section. Also there's apparently a random sidebar on the page before it that talks about Fate and Destiny for no loving reason.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce

Dracula Dossier is loving great. To me, the absolute best part is that Edom/British intelligence keeps failing to learn any lessons whatsoever and just keeps touching the red-hot stove that is Dracula.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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I vote Infernal Players' Guide, both because we should round both sides out, and because I can't find my copy any more and would like to be reminded of what's in it. (I think the binding utterly and completely fell apart and I tossed it.)

E: You should absolutely include a picture of the amazing cover.

PantsOptional fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Mar 3, 2016

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Doresh posted:

To promote it further, this is why Super Console has you go "Here are a few of our Brownie Points and a couple of our potions, lets assume we spend the last hour or so grinding our level up."

Does it still have the similar feature where you can go find an item by spending those points and assuming that you went to GameFAQs?

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Hunt11 posted:

The joy of a F.A.T.A.L post is that everybody can unite in disgust at the unholy abomination of game.

We were already doing that with Beast, though.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Kavak posted:

What die was it then?

D8 for everything.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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I Am Just a Box posted:

I've been thinking for a bit that the Awakening and Forsaken posts have been short on summarizing and suffered for it, but at this point I'm starting to wonder how much detail you can go into before you're just kind of transcribing the book into the thread. Is it just me?

While I can't speak for Awakening/Forsaken, I remember looking between the book and the review for some of the In Nomine reviews earlier for this exact reason. While they're not exactly 1:1, they're pretty close.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Despite having a gaming circle with heavy overlap between RPGs and 40K, I can't say as I've ever encountered the type of player who drags 40k stuff into other games, so that may be a very specific concern there.

I will say, however, that in the goddamn year 2016, people are still pulling that "magic (which is good) and technology (which is bad) are antithetical to each other" poo poo like it was 1997 and people were still huffing Ascension fumes.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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ninjaiguana posted:

EDIT: I now have a mental image of a Crane stepping up into full Marquess of Queensbury boxing stance and a Crab just shrugging and punching his lights out.

Something very similar to this in a game I was in back in the day. One the PCs was a big fuckoff Crab bruiser with Hands of Stone and very little in the way of social etiquette, and he got himself into trouble with a Crane duelist. In the ensuing Iaijutsu duel, the Crane either missed or failed to do any real damage to the absurdly beefy Crab PC, who then announced his counter-attack: "I kick him square in the nuts."

Thanks to the triple threat of beefy stats, an insanely good roll, and exploding dice, the Crane took somewhere in the neighborhood of 42 damage and died on the spot.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Kurieg posted:

IIRC the whip in 3.5 is too. Literally any amount of Armor Bonus to AC makes it worthless.

The only point of the whip in 3.5 is that it's a tripping weapon you an hold in one hand. It's pretty lovely, though, considering you have to take an exotic weapon proficiency in order to get it and if you're already doing that you might as well just go two-handed and take a spiked chain which gives up 5' of reach you weren't going to use anyway and adds actual damage.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Simian_Prime posted:

But who's gonna look slicker in an open-casket funeral; Johnny Cleanslice, or Timmy Head-Loaf?

Have some thoughtfulness, clerics!

Some people have really selfish ideas of how to die from melee combat.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Doresh posted:

This is like in Warhammer 40k, where at least 3 factions - Chaos, Necrons, Tyranids - are pretty much guaranteed to FUBAR everything for everyone in the whole galaxy if given enough time. Not to mention that the only one that makes mankind's survival even remotely possible is a barely-alive corpse whose life support can also fail at any time. Said time will therefore never happen, and the meta-plot seems to be mostly concerned with retcons and walking in place.

Well, yeah. 40K isn't designed to have a metaplot so much as a backdrop against which your plastic space barbies can do battle.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Simian_Prime posted:

Is the Mantis Clan known for its medical knowledge and/or its toboggan technology?

No, but they've made some incredible advances in oversized prophylactic manufacturing.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Evil Mastermind posted:

My favorite stupid mechanics thing in Ghostbusters will always be that a normal strength person couldn't carry a proton pack and a ghost trap or PKE meter at the same time without being overburdened. By the rules, Ray, Egon, and Peter should have been tipping over as soon as they geared up.

Is that something introduced in the 1989 revision? In the original you could carry 3 items of gear.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Hostile V posted:


NEXT TIME: my favorite fluff part of the book, the Deadworlds, a collection of premade scenarios to run.

Really looking forward to these. I used to have Terra Primate, which was the Planet of the Apes version of AFMBE, and some of the Apeworlds were pretty bonkers. The illustration of the Fellowship passing through the Ape Argonath always stuck in my head.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Hostile V posted:

I'd like to see Terra Primate up close, I've only ever looked at it from a distance, but my money is on either Army of Darkness or Conspiracy X. Either way, looking forward to it Rappy.

If you're willing to review it, I will absolutely send you my copy. PM me if interested.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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theironjef posted:

How many threads are dedicated to GW business chat? It's like seven, right?

All threads are the Death Thread.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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poo poo, a lot of the time they don't know anything about other vampires, either. Look at Belial's Brood - what most Kindred know about them is just the tip of that iceberg.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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I am 99% certain that this is the module that caused me to quit L5R. I had made a Crab shugenja whose entire deal was that he was excellent at obliterating Shadowlands creatures and terrible at everything else. Naturally he was away from the Wall for some real fish-out-of-water shenanigans.

The GM started me on this module for my first session with the character, said it's perfect for me. I think there was maybe one other PC there at the start.

This goddamn Oni burst through the wall and I thought that it was a moment to showcase what I'm good at before going on to fail a shitload of etiquette rolls. So I unloaded on it with a Jade Strike - a spell that's specifically designed to blow up Shadowlands creatures and also the spell that I had specialized in - and did a shitload of damage. I don't remember how much it was but between my specialization in Bustin' and a good die roll it was a ridiculous amount.

Nothing happened.

I tried again the next round, figuring that it was just super tough. Again I got an absurdly high damage roll. Between the two attacks it was well over a hundred damage.

Nothing happened. Well, that's not exactly true: the Oni killed the gently caress out of me.

Later on, the GM took me aside and explained that the monster was immune to Jade Strike, which I found to be mildly improbable. I suspect that he simply decided to GM fiat the immunity since if I killed the Oni in the first fight, the rest of the module was a moot point. But if that was the case, then why run it specifically for my character?

I realize that the system isn't to blame (at least not 100%) but it left such a bad taste in my mouth that I never really went back.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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That's possibly the most, uh, "inspired" conversion that I've seen in a while.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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Cease to Hope posted:

13th Age suggest 4d6 drop low (ahahahahano) or standard 3e-style point buy, with 28 points. Unfortunately, there's just the point buy chart. There's no standard point buy arrays described, so everyone has to laboriously count add totals (or use an online calculator, which is what I'll be doing).

FWIW, the book does indeed have stat arrays. They're at the end of the book in an appendix, right where you wouldn't think to look for them during character creation.

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PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

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That Old Tree posted:

Is :ragevomit: an emote?

:vomarine:

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