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King of Bleh
Mar 3, 2007

A kingdom of rats.
The other thread is full of hot garbage post(er)s but they do have fun stuff like the non-player trolling with a MGS gimmick and the catapultist most-likely-fakeclaim.

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imgay
May 12, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Metal Gear?

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
Ok, here I am. It's been a rough few days. Haven't participated as much as I wanted yet.

Anyone have anything I should look at immediately? Otherwise I'm just going to dive in.

merk
May 20, 2003

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AnonymousNarcotics posted:

You don't know me, I'm always whining when I get picked on as town. It actually turned me off playing mafia for awhile. Now I'm remembering why.

Anyway, there's nothing I can say to convince people I'm town once they've decided I'm scum based on my lovely posting skills. So that sucks.

Tell us who you think is scum and why that person is scum. Your vote is on me, and you still haven't explained it very well at all. You also haven't re-analyzed my new content.

merk
May 20, 2003

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King of Bleh posted:

This is not the first time this game you've declined to engage in actual discussion bc you're too cool to play the game. BottleKnight for my #3 candidate.

Who is your #2 candidate?

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
Votecount for Day 1

SirSamVimes (4): WeLandedOnTheMoon!, imgay, imgay, Meinberg, Meinberg, Puntification, QuoProQuid, Atoramos, QuoProQuid, QuoProQuid, Tremendous Taste, Tremendous Taste
AnonymousNarcotics (4): tuckfard, tuckfard, CCKeane, The Ninth Layer, BottleKnight, merk, BottleKnight, King of Bleh
BottleKnight (3): imgay, fits, tuckfard
merk (1): The Ninth Layer, AnonymousNarcotics, The Ninth Layer
The Lord of Hats (1): Opopanax
Quandary (1): Jose Valasquez, SirSamVimes, SirSamVimes
Meinberg (1): merk, merk, chaoslord
tuckfard (1): QuoProQuid, Sinistral, BottleKnight, QuoProQuid, BottleKnight
Opopanax (1): BottleKnight
imgay (0): Sinistral, Sinistral
WeLandedOnTheMoon! (0): kaschei, tuckfard, tuckfard, SirSamVimes, The Lord of Hats, The Lord of Hats, kaschei, SirSamVimes
Verr (0): QuoProQuid, QuoProQuid
Sinistral (0): imgay, tuckfard, King of Bleh, imgay, tuckfard, King of Bleh
QuoProQuid (0): King of Bleh, King of Bleh
CCKeane (0): QuoProQuid, QuoProQuid
chaoslord (0): fits, fits

Not Voting (8): kaschei, Meinberg, Quandary, SirSamVimes, Spoonsy, The Lord of Hats, Tremendous Taste, Verr

With 25 alive, it's 13 votes to lynch. The current deadline is January 11th, 2016 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 8 hours.

merk
May 20, 2003

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QuoProQuid posted:

How do we know that Moon is telling the truth that he targeted someone?

How do we know that scum!Moon isn't making a gambit to get the exact reaction you make here?

Why are you dismissing a player when the game has been open less than a day?

Why are "too scum my to be scum" arguments bad nine out of ten times?


Naaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh. Let's not play this game. Let's scum hunt instead.

##vote: Vimes

I don't understand this vote.

merk
May 20, 2003

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Puntification posted:

Seems unlikely scum would do it so openly and honestly, so I feel like effectively you're making excuses to vote town and not for the first time, even if the first was allegedly a "joke". Good enough for a starting punt imo ##vote ssv

Compare it to this vote right before it, which I understand and think is pretty good.

merk
May 20, 2003

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imgay posted:

bing bang boog whose ready to play the fued
##vote bk

Who do you think is scum now?

merk
May 20, 2003

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fits posted:

your original vote on tuckfard is poo poo.


still in the early meaningless stages of the game, trying to look buddy buddy with merk by jumping on something a couple other people up the page had already commented on. good work leaving the lane open, though. a++

##unvote
##vote bottleknight


Looking back, I think this was a good vote at the time and mostly ignored by the thread. Everyone should go back and read fits' post here.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Combo breaking merk's posts.

My name is kaschei

merk
May 20, 2003

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fits posted:

bottle knights original vote on tuckfard that im talking about; it feels like hes jumping in trying to be super pro townie early in the game (it was bks third post, but all within a few minutes) jumping on tuckfard posts that earlier uppage other people already jumped on. it felt like cheap and easy content and now hes coasting on it with the "well i still like that vote" bullshit

Further justification here.

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic

Fun Shoe

merk posted:

Compare it to this vote right before it, which I understand and think is pretty good.

Do you mean KoB's vote on sinistral here?

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic

Fun Shoe

Puntification posted:

Do you mean KoB's vote on sinistral here?

nvm I thought you were asking me to do something.

merk
May 20, 2003

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chaoslord posted:

So I think ##vote meinberg is the scum. Merk nailed it when they voted for Meinberg after that bad post. I just can't believe he didn't get more votes outside of merk. And even then merk has since felt they need to move their vote elsewhere. But seriously, just look at how many people have read meinberg's content and more or less said it was scummy:

SSV agreeing with Moon that Meinberg is just distancing (SSV would also later say a post pings their gut), Bleh calling him artificial, Moon calling the post dreadful, BK calling the posts scummy (even if his personal conclusion is that he is Not Scum), tuckfard saying something feels off, QPQ thinking the post was weird. Punt you mentioned them clinging to "jokephrase" in reference to it being self-conscious. While not an alignment call, people tend to frown on folks being self conscious.

I think Meinberg is flying under the radar voteswise because they are not present, which is just how it goes, but I would hope all of the people who have mentioned Meinberg so far would take a bit to reflect and see if they still think that way.

The Meinberg case is a good one, but he's not here. I find it unlikely that we actually lynch him with him being gone the whole weekend. At this point I'm content to let him coast today and come back to this point tomorrow if he's still around.

Puntification posted:

Do you mean KoB's vote on sinistral here?

No, your vote on SSV I think is good.

merk
May 20, 2003

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Opopanax posted:

Hey, that's a real bad post you got there

What is the Opo gut telling you?

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
This is my working list:
Anon
Meinberg
SSV / Bottleknight

I might build a case on Anon here. Going to see if my read changes while I try to do that.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

fits posted:

your original vote on tuckfard is poo poo.


still in the early meaningless stages of the game, trying to look buddy buddy with merk by jumping on something a couple other people up the page had already commented on. good work leaving the lane open, though. a++

##unvote
##vote bottleknight



This is okay. I don't disagree.

That is my lukewarm take.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

Merk, what's your feel on bleh, especially with regard to him "defending" you (from anarc, I think)?

merk
May 20, 2003

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Tremendous Taste posted:

Merk, what's your feel on bleh, especially with regard to him "defending" you (from anarc, I think)?

I'm concerned that he's playing a present scum game. He's posting a lot without saying all that much. It's why I want more information on his #2 candidate, whoever that is.

There's no way I lynch him on day 1 for that though.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
Full disclosure: I'm likely voting ANarc through deadline unless she comes back with some really good content about alignment.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

merk posted:

I'm concerned that he's playing a present scum game. He's posting a lot without saying all that much. It's why I want more information on his #2 candidate, whoever that is.

There's no way I lynch him on day 1 for that though.

I agree. Thanks~

Quandary
Jan 29, 2008
All of these votes falling on Anon are making me suspicious all of a sudden. I bet somewhere in the last 2-3 people to agree about Anon one is scum.

Jose, please contribute or at place your vote somewhere valuable.

Quandary
Jan 29, 2008

King of Bleh posted:

##unvote
##vote AnonymousNarcotics


Still think Moon is town, I've only been skimming all the latest spree of posts but I think it's mostly just townie bickering (taste seems town too imo)

It's this one I don't like this vote.

I would vote KoB. He spends a ton of posts, but none of them really say anything and the ones that do are pretty wishy washy. His vote on Anon really bothers me though - before this post he comes in and lays down his suspicions but they're weak and feel opportunistic, but he doesn't lay a vote. 8 hours later he comes down and drops this vote without comment. To me it feels a lot like a scum opportunistic vote where it flet like a 'safe' vote and he didn't put much thought into it, but he posted just enough to not get jumped on.

I'd still be fine with an AnonNarco lynch, but I think I would prefer KoB.

King of Bleh
Mar 3, 2007

A kingdom of rats.

Quandary posted:

It's this one I don't like this vote.

I would vote KoB. He spends a ton of posts, but none of them really say anything and the ones that do are pretty wishy washy. His vote on Anon really bothers me though - before this post he comes in and lays down his suspicions but they're weak and feel opportunistic, but he doesn't lay a vote. 8 hours later he comes down and drops this vote without comment. To me it feels a lot like a scum opportunistic vote where it flet like a 'safe' vote and he didn't put much thought into it, but he posted just enough to not get jumped on.

I'd still be fine with an AnonNarco lynch, but I think I would prefer KoB.

I've seen the "not really saying anything" point come up re: me a couple times in this game now and I'm not really sure where people are getting that from. I'm not the most verbose poster, but I think I've been pretty consistently responding to other players and posting my own reactions to stuff going on in the thread. You say "wishy washy" but I think you could easily scan through my post history and reconstruct all my alignment reads, and that they would all be pretty explicit in terms of which way I was feeling and how sure I was.

In terms of the vote, I made the case in the post that I quoted, and directly stated at that time that I wasn't by a computer all day but would follow through with a vote when I was. I concede you could call it "opportunistic" in that I was deliberately moving from a target who I saw couldn't be lynched to one who I thought could be, but we're coming close enough to the deadline that that is what all players OUGHT to be doing.

King of Bleh
Mar 3, 2007

A kingdom of rats.

merk posted:

Who is your #2 candidate?

I realize you were skimming but come on, in the post directly above the one you quoted I say I will imminently change my vote to Narc (#1) but still think sinistral is scum (#2).

Atoramos
Aug 31, 2003

Jim's now a Blind Cave Salamander!


Sorry for being away yesterday. Catching up now. I don't like how BK gets called out for having no original ideas, then fails to scumhunt and his posts become solely replies to accusations. The closest he gets is a weird back and forth with Opop over Opop not being more aggressive after this vote:

Opopanax posted:

##vote Lord of Hats

Page 7 of a game that started today and we've got a lurker call out.

K see you guys tomorrow.

Atoramos
Aug 31, 2003

Jim's now a Blind Cave Salamander!


Actually, scratch that. This is now page 17 and Opop never goes back to discuss his original lurker vote at all. Lord of Hats has given enough content where that vote does deserve more of a justification after being directly asked 'Why are you still voting for Lord of Hats', and Opop gives no reason at all.

Opop: explain your current vote on Hats beyond 'he started off lurking'.

Atoramos
Aug 31, 2003

Jim's now a Blind Cave Salamander!


tuckfard posted:

You know what, I looked at Meinberg too because I don't remember anything about what he's said. Well, it's because he's said nothing. He's apparently gone for the weekend LARPing, which is probably worth a vote right there, but I agree that his post on WLOTM was shady, and everything else he's posted is worthless. Something feels off.

tuckfard's content here is pretty poor and lacks original contribution. Page 12, and he comments on a 'lurker feeling off' (and prods Spoonsy), and throwing a vote on BK mostly due to other's cases. I would like to see more original ideas from tuckfard and some post analysis, especially if his own content consists of prodding lurkers.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Atoramos posted:

Actually, scratch that. This is now page 17 and Opop never goes back to discuss his original lurker vote at all. Lord of Hats has given enough content where that vote does deserve more of a justification after being directly asked 'Why are you still voting for Lord of Hats', and Opop gives no reason at all.

Opop: explain your current vote on Hats beyond 'he started off lurking'.

I believe you misread, I'm not calling him a lurker, I'm voting for him because he was calling out lurkers way too early. It feels like fake content

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 1

SirSamVimes (4): WeLandedOnTheMoon!, imgay, imgay, Meinberg, Meinberg, Puntification, QuoProQuid, Atoramos, QuoProQuid, QuoProQuid, Tremendous Taste, Tremendous Taste
AnonymousNarcotics (4): tuckfard, tuckfard, CCKeane, The Ninth Layer, BottleKnight, merk, BottleKnight, King of Bleh
BottleKnight (3): imgay, fits, tuckfard
merk (1): The Ninth Layer, AnonymousNarcotics, The Ninth Layer
The Lord of Hats (1): Opopanax
Quandary (1): Jose Valasquez, SirSamVimes, SirSamVimes
Meinberg (1): merk, merk, chaoslord
tuckfard (1): QuoProQuid, Sinistral, BottleKnight, QuoProQuid, BottleKnight
Opopanax (1): BottleKnight
imgay (0): Sinistral, Sinistral
WeLandedOnTheMoon! (0): kaschei, tuckfard, tuckfard, SirSamVimes, The Lord of Hats, The Lord of Hats, kaschei, SirSamVimes
Verr (0): QuoProQuid, QuoProQuid
Sinistral (0): imgay, tuckfard, King of Bleh, imgay, tuckfard, King of Bleh
QuoProQuid (0): King of Bleh, King of Bleh
CCKeane (0): QuoProQuid, QuoProQuid
chaoslord (0): fits, fits

Not Voting (8): kaschei, Meinberg, Quandary, SirSamVimes, Spoonsy, The Lord of Hats, Tremendous Taste, Verr

With 25 alive, it's 13 votes to lynch. The current deadline is January 11th, 2016 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 3 hours.

tuckfard
Dec 9, 2003

Just chillin

Atoramos posted:

tuckfard's content here is pretty poor and lacks original contribution. Page 12, and he comments on a 'lurker feeling off' (and prods Spoonsy), and throwing a vote on BK mostly due to other's cases. I would like to see more original ideas from tuckfard and some post analysis, especially if his own content consists of prodding lurkers.

You know that I'm not very good at this game but aside from that

What does original even mean? Do I have to make up a case on someone that no one has talked about just because? My thoughts can't be similar to anyone elses?

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?
This day 1 is lasting forever uuuuuugh.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Yeah, eccogames have really long day 1s.

Atoramos
Aug 31, 2003

Jim's now a Blind Cave Salamander!


Opopanax posted:

I believe you misread, I'm not calling him a lurker, I'm voting for him because he was calling out lurkers way too early. It feels like fake content

You are correct, I misread that as you yourself calling out a lurker. That said, there's been a good number of posts by Hats since then. Care to build out that read?

Verr posted:

because I am a beautiful free spirit. also its nice to know what people have posted.

Verr posted:

alright, alright, I'm leaning AnonNarco because her* statement about battle is both unspecific and but asking for inclusion. that's a battle-scummy move. unless AnonNarco wants to specify (within the limits of the rules) her role?

I don't like this at all. Verr has obviously been paying close attention to the thread, considering he posted a compilation of battle posts. But gives a single read on a player, and that read amounts to 'give us more information on your role'. Where's the scumhunting, you're obviously reading the thread.

tuckfard
Dec 9, 2003

Just chillin
I don't like Sinistral but someone else has posted why.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

tuckfard posted:

You know that I'm not very good at this game but aside from that

What does original even mean? Do I have to make up a case on someone that no one has talked about just because? My thoughts can't be similar to anyone elses?

Yeah, honestly I would like some guidance on this too--I have a hard time picking up on particularly scummy activity, so it typically isn't until I see someone else point something else out that I feel like "Okay, I have a thing to look for, let's reread that person's posts to see if I can spot it", but if I just outright say "Yeah, I agree with so-and-so", that turns into a declaration of low-content scumposting--although day 1 doing pretty much anything gets you that--is it really just a matter of going person-by-person through the thread to get a read?

tuckfard
Dec 9, 2003

Just chillin
Day 1 is about people making small cases seem bigger than they are, people argue, and then someone gets bandwagoned at the last minute.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Atoramos posted:

You are correct, I misread that as you yourself calling out a lurker. That said, there's been a good number of posts by Hats since then. Care to build out that read?

Nah, I'm good with what I've got. Tinkering is only confuse things, I trust my gut

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Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

Quandary posted:

All of these votes falling on Anon are making me suspicious all of a sudden. I bet somewhere in the last 2-3 people to agree about Anon one is scum.

Jose, please contribute or at place your vote somewhere valuable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O29YcBHpH5E

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