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Getting in on the ground floor of glorious freedom. Let's show those fartboggers what's what.
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I'm the Marksman of Savomar I am I am. Well, I say 'Marksman', but hurling giant rocks isn't the most accurate ranged weapon that man has ever devised. They sure go 'squish' when it hits, though! And while I may be a touch on the uh, slower side, I defy you to find a marksman burlier than I. If you need a ranged attacker on the front lines, or someone that can really put the hurt on those melees, I'm your man.
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Jan 7, 2016 22:34
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Quandary posted:PSA Not to contradict you, your uh... wizardship. But that's not entirely true. We win when we win the war--when the enemy leader is dead. Now, that gets a hell of a lot easier when we don't have scum sabotaging us, but getting rid of them doesn't *quite* get us all the way there (just mostly).
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Jan 7, 2016 22:49
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We will not win this game by analyzing night actions or by min maxing battle plans.
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QuoProQuid posted:How exactly does it help the town to get bogged down in hours of spreadsheets and set-up discussion when we could be looking for scum? Not that we argue over lineups or something, because as was said the biggest factor in any battle is scum presence, but if we're able to be organized about things like distributing healing, that's an edge we can gain over the course of the game if all their clerics are double-healing guys and being generally inefficient.
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Jan 7, 2016 22:56
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Pope Celestial V sounds way more badass, though. Space Pope.
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Jan 7, 2016 23:13
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SirSamVimes posted:I feel like shutting down a potential avenue where we can catch a lying scum is a bad idea. Avoid getting bogged down, sure but don't write off the possibility altogether. It's information, but it's incredibly noisy information--did that frontliner die because a scum stabbed him in the back/from the side, or was it just that the opponent doubled up heavy attacks on him and he was a dead man regardless? Same goes for figuring out opponent fatalities. There's just so many moving pieces that we can't get any real data out of it until we've had the same people in battle multiple times in a row.
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Jan 7, 2016 23:27
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kaschei posted:scum can be fake Popes like the lady pope, the Pope that was not actually evil, etc. There should be an antipope, where if he gets NKed the killer dies too because they cancel out.
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Jan 8, 2016 00:20
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Opopanax posted:And I'm his most trusted adviser, who would certainly never stab him in the back. Adviser, or vizier? It's an important distinction.
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Jan 8, 2016 00:29
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Meinberg posted:Wait, are neither of you familiar with the tradition of getting a turbo going and including this video? I guess the meta really has changed lately! I'm new, but I approve of this tradition.
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Jan 8, 2016 01:04
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:Tuckfard, who should I hurt before the day is over? Ideally somebody on the other team. Wait, no, joke phase is over. You see, this is clearly a scum slip because *faaaaaaaaaart*
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Jan 8, 2016 02:48
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CCKeane posted:Sure, you can ask. 
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Jan 8, 2016 04:28
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Sinistral posted:Hi lord of hats. You've posted a bunch but you really haven't done anything to find scum. Would you share who pings your scumdar? This is pretty much my second game of Mafia, so jokephase analysis isn't really my strong suit--I will say that besides tuckfard and moon coming out of the gate really strong, which other people have pointed out, Meinberg has been really aggressive, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything--rattling people on day 1 is a legitimate approach to things. Mainly there's too many goddamn lurkers to know a thing at this point.
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Jan 8, 2016 05:39
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Opopanax posted:##vote Lord of Hats So what would you call people who have like four posts that are "Hi!", "Joke", "I am Ranged" and "Vague Game Strategy Comment"? It's a hell of a lot easier to say 'lurker' than 'people who have not posted all that much yet'.
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Jan 8, 2016 05:44
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:I have reasons that I would prefer to not get in to. If my hand is forced then I have no problem laying out the thought process in full, but it's a little early in the day for me to open it all up. If you're just going to say "Yeah, I'm going to probably actively sabotage my team because YOLO", you're going to have to lay out a little more explanation than "I have reasons okay?" ##vote WeLandedOnTheMoon!
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Jan 8, 2016 17:20
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:Hold on I have to actively sabotage the team some more. "I am going to deal damage to a teammate at random, this is a good thing because ___________"
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Jan 8, 2016 17:31
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:That's not what I said bruh. WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:Just so nobody is confused, I launched an attack at one of you that will be processed at the end of the day. It will deduct HP from you unless you have blocked it or have resists or something. I was a little bummed that I have to wait until Monday, but those are the breaks. I mean, unless you're incredibly confident in your read, you're more likely to hit town than scum, and using it "Just because" is not incredibly compelling. Is there some kind of rider that makes this more than "I am shooting my ally because I can"?
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Jan 8, 2016 17:47
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merk posted:I should've read this post before I asked the question. How is what he's doing scummy? Please explain this vote more. I mean, maybe 'outright scummy' is the wrong word for it, but it's something that I think is worth taking a look at. "I will attack a team member" is an awfully bold claim to make and expect not to get called out on.
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Jan 8, 2016 19:00
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fits posted:in a game with a normal night mechanic hed be basically a vig. i have no idea how scum kill powers work or if they exist in this game, they might be similar, but i really doubt moon would be brodcasting it as scum, instead of being quiet about it and trying to pick off people probably weak from battle Alright, point. I think I got too caught up in the war mechanics. ##unvote
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Jan 8, 2016 19:25
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:This seems like an underhanded way of informing the other thread of a good strategy. There's literally no other way for me to communicate it to this thread, though. Even if I assume Quandary comes up with it on his own, unless he has some sort of super-secret way to PM everyone in this thread about it (which is possibly, he is a mighty wizard), and even if that were the case, we would still need to hash out all the details in the thread--again, unless we assume that Quandary can mason with everyone at once.
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Jan 8, 2016 21:10
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What you're saying is literally just "Nobody can come up with contributions to the war part ever, because our opponents will get the same idea".
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Jan 8, 2016 21:11
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Quandary posted:I don't think we need to worry too much about giving the other thread ideas, I'd be surprised if there was any groundbreaking idea that we had that hadn't occurred to them. My issue with people who discuss the war part is that it's the single easiest way to post and be recognized while avoiding actually scum hunting, which is a scummy thing to do. Yeah, your point is entirely valid--it's just that giving the other thread ideas is a terrible argument. If he was making a point about me just mechanicsposting, well, I could get where he was coming from (except that since that point I haven't been), but saying I'm trying to pass ideas to the other thread? Wha?
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Jan 8, 2016 21:26
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Sinistral posted:Lord of Hats also seems scummy. Aside from his bad vote on WLOTM which he backpedaled from pretty quickly it's just setup speculation white noise all the way down. I still think WLOTM's comment is weird--declaring a vig-like ability (it sounds considerably weaker from the way he described it) on day one just seems odd to me. Like, if you're town, what does declaring it get you? I mean, this is pretty much my second game of mafia where I really have any kind of sense of what's going on (the other one is still ongoing), so my tendency is to talk about things I feel like I have a grip on (ie, mechanics) rather than the areas where I still feel lost (reading into people's statements this early in the game when I have no clue what they're normally like). That doesn't make me helpful, I know, but that's something I'm working on.
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Jan 8, 2016 23:27
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BottleKnight posted:I just don't see scum Meinberg posting that badly. Then again the only game I ever read with a scumberg he just lurked the whole game and then suicide bombed his teammate. Suicide bombed?
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Jan 9, 2016 05:23
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Okay, so just reading over the thread, it looks like most of our discussion now is about Moon and SSV, who have been going at each other for various reasons. I went in on Moon for more or less the same reason as SSV--a big reaction to that declaration of action--but without the whole "Wait, this is a single data point and not a great one at that". I mean, there's been more that SSV has been saying, and there is a definite case being made, but I think it all stems from that initial moment. Despite what I said initially, I'm leaning towards Moon being town at this point--or at least being visible enough scum that we're going to get more to go on in the future than day 1 shenanigans. I"m seeing a lot of talk about Anon--going to look through the thread again to see what that's about.
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Jan 10, 2016 06:36
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fits posted:summerize it for me I'm not Keane, but so far Anon has posted "I am good soldier! Do not lynch me, am good soldier!", a bunch of complaints about getting jumped on day 1 (I have been there, to be fair, and it put me off of mafia for a long time before I'm finally coming back around to it now), and a post briefly summing up their feelings on a handful of posts, including calling me scummy for making a mild comment on mechanics (although I would like to say that I still think organizing our healing somewhat should be helpful, although it does expose healers to the scum. So... huh. Maybe not).
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Jan 10, 2016 06:45
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chaoslord posted:Speaking of Meinberg I was going to make a point about "well at the time he hadn't vanished yet", but then I reread just his posts up to that point, and now I'm really not sure where the hell I got that from at all. I think a lot of it was that joke phase collapsed way sooner than I expected it to (I was still shitposting after consensus was that we'd moved on), so my overall impression of anyone throwing around actual accusations was that they were being aggressive, even though in retrospect he was being super light.
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Jan 10, 2016 08:30
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This day 1 is lasting forever uuuuuugh.
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Jan 10, 2016 22:15
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tuckfard posted:You know that I'm not very good at this game but aside from that Yeah, honestly I would like some guidance on this too--I have a hard time picking up on particularly scummy activity, so it typically isn't until I see someone else point something else out that I feel like "Okay, I have a thing to look for, let's reread that person's posts to see if I can spot it", but if I just outright say "Yeah, I agree with so-and-so", that turns into a declaration of low-content scumposting--although day 1 doing pretty much anything gets you that--is it really just a matter of going person-by-person through the thread to get a read?
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Jan 10, 2016 22:21
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Front Line: SirSamVimes (Frontline Marksman, something about testing people?) CCKeane (No Further Detail) Spoonsy (No Further Detail) Verr (Front Line Support) Tremendous Taste (No Further Detail) Tuckfard (No Further Detail) Versatile: Imgay (No Further Detail) The Lord of Hats (Beefy Inaccurate Ranged) AnonymousNarcotics (No Further Detail) Meinberg (Best at range, some personal defensive abilities) Bottleknight (No Further Detail) Back Line: QuoProQuid (No Further Detail) Fits (Sick Snipez, "Throw me to the wolves so  doesn't kick in)Puntification (No Further Detail) The Ninth Layer (No Further Detail) Sinistral (Can't melee for poo poo, minor healing ability) We Landed on the Moon (Could do front, back is better, weird vig-ish ability?) Jose Valasquz (No Further Detail) Atoramos (No Further Detail) Non-Combat: Quandary (Protect the Precious Wizard) Opoponax No Info: Kaschei CCKeane Chaoslord King of Bleh
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Jan 11, 2016 02:06
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##vote Anonymous Narcotics Came in, made a little light analysis, got voted for, shut down completely. I mean, if you are town I'm sorry, but I'm just not seeing it here. The case on SSV seems to be very similar, with WLOTM shaking him up early, but he's at least been continuing his analysis in the face of being voted for.
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Jan 11, 2016 18:30
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I'll be around for up to the last hour or so, at which point I'll be grocery shopping like a vaguely responsible person. I'll be able to phonepost if hugely necessary, but won't really be good for discussing much. Quandary, do you have all the info you need for our battle lineup?
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Jan 11, 2016 20:44
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Dominoes posted:Postin' in the bro thread! You're not welcome here, go back to your fartbog.
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Jan 11, 2016 20:59
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Hey Asiina, if you're reading this--I'm assuming that posting in the other thread is a no-no for the general population, and Domino either has something that lets them do it or is just plain going rogue?
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Jan 11, 2016 21:51
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Asiina posted:
Alright, thanks. And if it's not too much trouble (I am probably the only person who cares, so it probably *is* too much trouble and I understand), could you get some lore tidbits for our side from Ecco? I've been enjoying the bits and bobs of fluff they get in their thread.
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Jan 11, 2016 22:27
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EccoRaven posted:effort also asiina can make up her own I have decided to grant her editor powers over the Arrentiaverse (I should come up with a stupid fantasy name for the planet/world) Asiina please make Savomar the land of manly lumberjacks leaping from tree to tree, tia.
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Jan 11, 2016 23:05
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:I still think the scummist thing posted in this thread is "I think you are town, but I believe you to be sabotaging us, so I am voting you anyway" See, I've always kind of approached early votes (i.e. there's no bandwagon on them or something, and it's early in the game) as being kind of like a really emphasized way of pointing at someone and getting their attention. "Hey. You. Stop it." or "Explain This Thing I Am Going To Ask About In This Post".
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Jan 11, 2016 23:16
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Doesn't seem likely that we could manage a Meinberg lynch in a slow thread when he's at -12. Really, it looks like our realistic options at this point are Anarc, KoB, and SSV, and I'm not really any more convinced of KoB or SSV being scum than I am or Anarc.
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Jan 11, 2016 23:28
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Sinistral posted:I agree. I know this makes me a huge hypocrite or whatever, but I always thought the Anarc/Narco case was overblown. Would rather vote KoB or SSV. I get my real name messed up enough, I don't need my internet name messed up too.  Probably the big reason for my lack of certainty is sympathy. I think I said it before in this thread, but there was a time quite a while back where I tried to break into the Mafia scene, had scum jump down my throat day one, got lynched, and boy did that ever sour me on the whole 'mafia' thing until my love of Jojos compelled me to join up for the recent game, in which I have actually survived into the late game and discovered it's actually a lot of fun. So I'm a bit hesitant to possibly make that happen to somebody else. I think the case itself is decent enough, at least in comparison to the others that we have going, and I would rather lynch a slow-poster as opposed to someone like SSV who posts at a decent clip, but there isn't anything that has me super-determined.
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Jan 12, 2016 00:05
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Verr posted:not going to be able to watch the deadline. just reiterating that i'm voting Anon b/c she refused to give us anything more specific than the "i'm good at fighting, plop me wherever" which reads like a battle-scum to me. This is pretty darn close to the worst reasoning I've seen, and I'm considering Anon accusing me of trying to leak battle plans to the other thread in that calculation. Combat Scum want to be placed in battle, so they can kill people. Townies who are good fighters also want to be in battle so they can kill people (on the other team). Battle discussion got pretty heavily discouraged in favor of analysis and scumhunting (and rightfully so), but a side effect of that is that pretty much nobody talked about that battle capabilities beyond range.
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King of Bleh posted:You are probably right that might flip is more valuable, and if you can actually rally 8 additional votes in the next 15 minutes I'll go as far as to self-hammer, but I think we both know that isn't happening. I mean, I'd be willing, but me flopping right now without others seems bad.
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Jan 12, 2016 02:22
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