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Which non-Power of the Daleks story would you like to see an episode found from?
This poll is closed.
Marco Polo 36 20.69%
The Myth Makers 10 5.75%
The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve 45 25.86%
The Savages 2 1.15%
The Smugglers 2 1.15%
The Highlanders 45 25.86%
The Macra Terror 21 12.07%
Fury from the Deep 13 7.47%
Total: 174 votes
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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

After The War posted:

Why the hell am I listening to Graceless?

I don't post in this thread much, because I think I see radio Who* a bit differently (I think Briggs has really gone downhill over the years) but I really, really loving love Graceless. I think it's probably one of the best things that Big Finish have had a hand in, and I'd place Simon Guerrier up there with the best of Big Finish's discoveries, like Robert Shearman, Nev Fountain, Jonathan Clements, and, yes, Joe Lidster. (Though I admit he had a rocky start).


* Just radio. My god Invasion / Inversion of the Zygons is a massive pile of reactionary poo poo, and I'm glad posters here have their heads screwed on.

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DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Chairman Mao posted:

Really, why? Charley's boxset was hyped for literally years before pen was even out to paper, her whole arc with Colin Baker was clearly setting her up for her own series, and it was the first and last time in a while that we'd heard her in an audio. Other than it being a follow up to piscon paradox, what did the widows assassin have going for it?

It's not a matter of "what it had going for it" as how abysmally, thoroughly, morally repugnantly it failed.

The Charley boxset was just not good. Widow's Assassin is abominable.

quote:

Like, I super-duper hoped that it’d be totally amazing, a Piscon Paradox-level teardown of the Six-and-Peri dynamic that only Nev Fountain could deliver. A story where the Doctor would have to confront the consequences not only of the Trial and his subsequent abandonment of Peri, but ALSO of his actions in and following The Twin Dilemma.

And… that’s not what it was. Only the briefest allusions are made to The Elephant in the Room re:Six-and-Peri (gently caress it, no beating-about-the-bush) the HORRIFIC AND MORALLY GROTESQUE STRANGLING SCENE. Time that COULD have been spent on exploring (and denouncing) those horrible elements of Six’s character is instead spent on a mediocre bit of political “intrigue” that seems to go on forever. Even a “setpiece” in which Peri confronts a psychic embodiment of Six’s crueler elements seems awkwardly reigned-in (and is repeatedly interrupted by that dull political b-plot).

That’s all before getting into how distressingly the plot undermines what SHOULD have been Peri’s righteous anger at the Doctor over her treatment in favor of saying that a ~mind parasite~ made her be dismissive and critical, or how the story implicitly condones the Doctor’s subsequent stalkerish behavior.

Actually, I think I hated it. Yeah, I hate it. Because being a socially-conscious person who also owns a rainbow coat has its obligations. Chief among those obligations is that I cannot, in good conscience, engage in, or give my support to, defensive “readings” of, or apologia for, The Strangling, nor otherwise attempt to understate or mansplain away how horrendous it was. I don’t hold the position that Sandifer does (that Dilemma renders Six (close to) irredeemable), but it’s a cross the character has to bear.

I want justice for the Sixth Doctor, and until The Twin Dilemma has been tried and found guilty, that justice is incomplete.

DoctorWhat fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Aug 9, 2016

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Jerusalem posted:

David Warner is a global treasure :allears:

Oh please. Who did David Warner ever beat?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

CobiWann posted:

Oh please. Who did David Warner ever beat?

He got a lot of heat in that angle with Captain Picard.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

CobiWann posted:

Oh please. Who did David Warner ever beat?

I don't know, buy you can be sure there were five four of them

EDIT - DAMMIT

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor
And if I get any of you bastards that haven't heard WarnerDoc yet for Secret Santa this year, you'd best believe you're getting Sympathy for the Devil and Masters of War.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



After The War posted:

And if I get any of you bastards that haven't heard WarnerDoc yet for Secret Santa this year, you'd best believe you're getting Sympathy for the Devil and Masters of War.

You know he and Sam Kisgart are back as the Doctor and Master in this month's Benny Box, right?

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Davros1 posted:

You know he and Sam Kisgart are back as the Doctor and Master in this month's Benny Box, right?

And he's the bad guy in the upcoming Fourth Doctor adventure - this month, next month, whenever that's coming out.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

CobiWann posted:

Oh please. Who did David Warner ever beat?

[cricket joke]

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Davros1 posted:

You know he and Sam Kisgart are back as the Doctor and Master in this month's Benny Box, right?



(And that may have been a motivating factor, yes.)

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

Pesky Splinter posted:

And he's the bad guy in the upcoming Fourth Doctor adventure - this month, next month, whenever that's coming out.

Today, actually

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
I'm listening to the final couple of minutes from the Classic Doctors, New Monsters Behind the Scenes bit, and trying to work out the noises they're using. There's a servo motor noise, and I'm almost certain that's a Pete's World Cyberman.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

The_Doctor posted:

I'm listening to the final couple of minutes from the Classic Doctors, New Monsters Behind the Scenes bit, and trying to work out the noises they're using. There's a servo motor noise, and I'm almost certain that's a Pete's World Cyberman.

I'd be very okay with that, although I think it would get a similar reaction to Sontarans being in the first set; only a "new" monster on a technicality

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!


Classic Doctors, New Monsters - Volume 1 is another jewel in Big Finish’s crown. Take four “classic” Doctors, add three “revival” monsters and one “rebooted” alien enemy, throw in a dash of quality supporting parts and solid scripts, and let bake for four hours. The end result is a series of stories where the strengths easily outshine the weaknesses to give fans of both the classic series and the revival series a box set well worth listening to.

X X X X X



2015: When sightseers Joel and Gabby Finch encounter a strange man in Edwardian cricketing garb in the Sistine Chapel, their honeymoon suddenly takes a terrifying turn.

1511: Michelangelo is commissioned to create some very special sculptures by a mysterious sect. But as he carves, angels seem to emerge fully-formed from the rock. Almost as if they are alive…

From Michelangelo’s workshop to the catacombs of Rome, the Fifth Doctor must keep his wits about him and his eyes wide open as he confronts the Weeping Angels...

Peter Davison is the Doctor in Fallen Angels
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X X X X X

Cast

Peter Davison (The Doctor) 
Sacha Dhawan (Joel Finch)
Diane Morgan (Gabby Finch)
Matthew Kelly (Michelangelo)
Joe Jameson (Piero)
Dan Starkey (Priest)
Barnaby Edwards (Jacopo)

Written by: Phil Mulryne
Directed by: Barnaby Edwards

X X X X X

As perhaps the best known and most popular villains introduced in the revival series of Doctor Who, it’s no surprise that the Weeping Angels were chosen as the opening act for this box set. While I appreciate the attempt to draw in new listens by placing the Angels front and center, part of me wondered just how Big Finish was going to pull off portraying motionless, lifeless, and most of all silent statues without resorting to the audio cliché of one of the victims saying something akin to “the statue is coming closer! Closer! Closer! Aaaaargh!”

Credit should go to Phil Mulryne (who penned The Oncoming Storm and A Thing of Guile for Big Finish) and the sound crew for coming up with a way to “show” the Weeping Angels on audio – a sharp sound effect that represents their instant movement and sudden stops. Think of the “surprise” noise from Metal Gear Solid and you’re not too far off. The use of this specific sound effect not only alerts the listener to the attack of the Angels but gives their imagination an instant to fill in the visuals. The characters still describe the movements of the Angels, but they’re regulated more towards moments such as “they’re blocking all the exits” or “where did the second Angel come from” and “they’re coming up the scaffolding behind you,” exclamations that go hand-in-hand with the sharp sound effect.

Eons ago, a group of three Weeping Angels were trapped on Earth and found themselves buried in the ground – ground that eventually hardened around them to become a block of high-quality marble. In the early sixteenth century, a group of workers mining the quarry come close to carving out one of the Weeping Angels, who manages to free itself just as a priest from Rome is visiting the quarry. The Angel puts the priest under its control and convinces him to form a new holy order – the Order of the Three Angels. By using local sculptors to carve the Angels free from their eternal prison, these priests serve the Angels, placing them throughout the Vatican and feeding them the young and those with great potential in return for an eternal reward. The disappearance of the talented is what draws the Fifth Doctor to 1511 Rome, as during a visit to the Sistine Chapel in 2016 he’s shocked to learn that the grand ceiling fresco was never finished as Michelangelo disappeared in before completing it…

Fallen Angels is best described as a “historical story with some timey-wimey effects,” right down to a play on the “time isn’t a linear progression” quote from Blink. The Fifth Doctor was the best Doctor for a story such as this. That incarnation always struck me as the one who always appreciated history as an art form, enjoying the small and beautiful things that make life worth living. Peter Davison is having a lot of fun with this story, showing off his Who fanboy side with a gleeful, dashing performance as the Doctor runs about the catacombs of Vatican City, trying to discover who is behind the presence of the Weeping Angels in Rome and doing whatever he can to put history back on its proper course by saving Michelangelo and his rich future from being the Angels’ next three-course dinner. Matthew Kelly plays the talented and temperamental artist, someone who’s incredibly gifted and absolutely knows it. He doesn’t suffer any criticism of his art – it will be done when it’s done and not a moment too soon! Kelly, much like Davison, is having a lot of fun with his part, channeling Brian Blessed a wee bit in an over-the-top manner that not only showcases the brilliance of the artist, but his fear as the thought that his entire future could be wiped out with but a touch…and think of the generations robbed of his brilliance! Dan Starkey plays the priest as a standard Who villain who thinks only of himself and the thought of a potential reward from his masters, walking around with a smug grin and no idea of what’s truly in store for him.

The “companions” of Fallen Angels are a newly married couple sent from 2016 back to 1511 by the Weeping Angels – history buff Joel Finch (Sacha Dhawan, who played Warris Hussein in An Adventure in Space and Time) and his wife, physics teacher Gabby Finch (Diane Morgan). The pair are there to ask the Doctor the right questions, pitch in with a bit of comic relief (an argument between Joel and the Doctor about which of them invented the sandwich), and provide one of the underlying plotlines for the story’s runtime – can the Doctor get them back to their own time once the course of history has been set back on the proper rails? As I said, there are a few “timey wimey” aspects to this story involving time loops and who met who at what time in history that ensure the couple will never return to 2016. On one hand, the Doctor’s explanation as to WHY he can’t just take the couple home is one that I dearly wish had been used in The Angels Take Manhattan to explain why the Eleventh Doctor couldn’t have just bopped over to New Jersey, gone across the Hudson River, and bring Rory back to the TARDIS. On the other hand…the ease at which the married couple accepts their fate AND the jovial manner at which the Doctor says “that’s the spirit” is a bit off putting. It’s too close to the “everyone’s been through a horrible trauma but they’re all laughing when it’s over” ending that dragged down Embrace the Darkness.

Still, Fallen Angels manages to pull off the difficult task of putting the Weeping Angels on audio in a respectable, believable manner and is a solid choice to kick off the first volume of Classic Doctors, New Monsters.

X X X X X



The Sixth Doctor is no stranger to courtroom drama, but faces a very different challenge when he prepares to defend a most unusual Judoon.

After an environmental clearance mission goes wrong, Captain Kybo of the Nineteenth Judoon Interplantary Force is stranded in Victorian England, bound in chains, an exhibit in a circus show. But he has allies: Eliza Jenkins – known to audiences as ‘Thomasina Thumb’ – and the larger-than-life ‘clown’ in the colourful coat.

Uncovering a trail of injustice and corruption, the Doctor and Kybo soon find themselves on trial for their lives…

Colin Baker is the Sixth Doctor in Judoon in Chains
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X X X X X

Cast
Colin Baker (The Doctor)
Nicholas Briggs (Captain Kybo/Commander)
Kiruna Stamell (Eliza Jenkins)
Trevor Cooper (Jonathan Jaggers Esq/Mr Preddle)
Tony Millan (Justice Burrows/Jonty)
Sabina Franklyn (President Beel/Aetius/Herculania)
Nicholas Pegg (Meretricious Gedge/Billy)
Barnaby Edwards (Judoon Computer)

Written by: Simon Barnard and Paul Morris  
Directed by: Barnaby Edwards

X X X X X

Part The Elephant Man, part Flowers for Algernon, and part …and Justice For All, Judoon in Chains features the rhinoceros-headed Judoon, first introduced in Smith and Jones as a mercenary police force (“intergalactic thugs,” to quote the Tenth Doctor) that enforces intergalactic law as handed down by the Shadow Proclamation. Brilliant in a fight but lacking in intelligence (they follow the letter of the law in all matters, be it universal laws regarding genocide or village codes regarding jaywalking), the Judoon will often hire themselves out as rent-a-cops or security guards for other alien races and private organizations. On one such job, Captain Kybo of the 19th Judoon Interplanetary Force steals a Judoon scout ship and does the unthinkable by going AWOL. Crashing in Victorian-era England, Kybo finds himself standing accused in an English courtroom. The prosecution? Kybo’s commander. For the defense? The Sixth Doctor, who is no stranger to being on trial…

Judoon in Chains is penned by the writing team of Simon Barnard and Paul Morris, best known for several stories for the Jago & Litefoot range as well as the Last Sixth Doctor Adventure story The End of the Line. If I had to choose one story in this box set as being the “best,” it would easily be Judoon in Chains, hands down. Barnard and Morris take a different path with Judoon in Chains than I expected. Instead of the Doctor having to stop the Judoon from blasting a planet to rubble for some minor violation of the law, the story instead focuses on the evolution of Kybo (voiced by Nicholas Briggs, who also voices the Commander of the Judoon who is putting Kybo on trail) as his militaristic mind is slowly opened to the ideas of poetry, literature, and art thanks to an alien influence. The story cuts back and forth between two separate times and settings, moving from the Doctor defending Kybo against the Commander’s accusations to an English sideshow where the Judoon and the Doctor are both imprisoned and trotted out as attractions (imagine the Sixth Doctor’s indignation at being considered a clown while also being “forced” to perform as one while he bides his time to make his and Kybo’s escape…for once, the Sixth Doctor CHOOSES to endure such embarrassment and indignation!) as the Doctor and the circus’ strongwoman Eliza Jenkins (played by Kiruna Stamell of All the Small Things and Cast Offs) slowly bring Kybo out of his shell by introducing him to books such as Moby Dick and the poetry of Robert Burns. Kybo’s artistic development and how the Commander attempts to understand is never gets boring or dull as Barnard and Morris keep the audience invested. Briggs does a great job as the maturing Kybo, while Colin Baker absolutely nails a Doctor who not only nurtures the opening of a closed mind, but rails against the very idea of executing a sentient being solely for exploring its potential. It turns out that there’s more to the story than meets the eye, of course, and that the Earth trial is just the Doctor’s way of setting up the Judoon to deal with the true villains of the story as Barnard and Morris spin a moral about extinction and development of unspoiled natural areas. THIS is where the Judoon’s dedication to the law comes in, and the climax of the story is very satisfying with both the villain’s just desserts and Kybo’s final fate.

Judoon in Chains also features what I consider to be one of the funniest moments in the history of Big Finish. The Judoon had invaded the circus looking for Kybo, only for the Doctor to convince them that they’re not following the rules! To hear the Judoon brute squad buy tickets, come through the entrance, work their way through the queues, and enter a hall of mirrors looking for their AWOL comrade is amusing enough. To hear the same squad come stampeding out of the hall of mirrors, bellowing to head straight for the exit to lawfully leave the premises, might just make the listener laugh out of loud. I know I did. All three times I rewound the scene to listen to it again.

X X X X X



In the far future, humanity has a remedy for everything. Whatever the problem, Pharma Corps has the answer and a designer disease tailored to every human’s blood-type. Zanzibar Hashtag has no need to be sad, scared, stressed, or depressed ever again.

That is, until vicious aliens arrive on her space station intent on opening its Vault. What will it mean for the human race if the Sycorax take control of what’s inside?

And when the Seventh Doctor arrives on the scene, can he convince Zanzibar to care about her life long enough to help him?

Sylvester McCoy is the Doctor in Harvest of the Sycorax
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X X X X X

Cast

Sylvester McCoy (The Doctor
Nisha Nayar (Zanzibar)
Jonathan Firth(Cadwallader)
Rebecca Callard (Shadrak)
Giles Watling (The Sycorax Chief)
Alex Deacon (Eshak)

Written by: James Goss
Directed by: Barnaby Edwards

X X X X X

The Christmas Invasion saw the introduction of the Sycorax, a slave-holding race that couches its advanced technology in terms of “withcraft” and “curses” Their particular hat is the ability to manipulate the blood of another species once they’ve obtained a sample, such as putting Earth’s population of A+ blood types to sleep and threatening to kill them all unless half of the human population was handed over to them for servitude. The plot of Harvest of the Sycorax falls along the same lines. The Sycrorax have invaded a facility owned by the medical company known as Pharma Corps. Inside this facility is a vault that contains a sample of blood from every human being in the galaxy. Originally intended to ensure the smooth undertaking of medical procedures, the vault and its contents are now a sword hanging over the heads of all of humanity as the Sycorax plan nothing more than the total enslavement of the entire race…

Giles Watling (brother to Deborah Watling, aka Victoria Waterfield, companion to the Second Doctor) plays the leader of the Sycrorax with the right amount of arrogance for his species’ superiority and disdain for any and all things human. While James Goss’ script gives listeners a deeper insight into the society of the Sycrorax by taking the characters inside one of their spaceships, visiting their living quarters and one of their “churches” along the way, the Sycroax are not the main focus of the story. Instead, Goss (who has penned some of my recent favorites, specifically Fall to Earth and Ghost Mission from the Torchwood range and Death and the Queen from the Tenth Doctor Adventures) focuses on a future society where humans wear a computer on their wrist that monitors their emotional level and administers the appropriate medication to maintain a neutral and balanced state. Stressed out? Anti-stressor. Fear? Relaxer. Depression? Upper. The Seventh Doctor calls this “one of humanity’s most self-absorbed periods” as humanity not only dulls their emotional and biological responses, but choose their mates based upon social compatibility and not out of mutual attraction and interests. This cold calculation even extends to the marketplace. What’s the harm in handing over billions of human lives in return for TRILLIONS of credits?

Considering how smart technology and the applications that go along with it have become intertwined with our daily lives…Fitbits, Pokemon GO, Apple Watches…Harvest of the Sycorax is the right story at the right time. But it’s not a lecturing morality tale that Goss lays out before us. Instead, the message is in the story, as two characters who would never match up through an app talk about giving dating a whirl, humans drugged not to feel fear or anxiety are easily murdered by the Sycorax instead of fleeing when given a chance, a corporate suit gives a emotionless yet heartfelt logic behind selling out humanity, and even a Time Lord falls under the sway of blood control. Sylvester McCoy is the perfect Doctor for Harvest of the Sycorax, if only because in his prime this story would have been a great chance for him to show off his physical chops. His stance on being controlled by the Sycorax isn’t fear and panic so much as being annoyed (“stop doing that,” McCoy shouts at his leg) and slightly bemused, as well as having to fight a duel to the death armed with only his umbrella. For the non-humorous parts, it’s top-notch Seventh Doctor, somehow above it all even as he threatens the Sycorax, while being willing to call out the corporate suit for the evil that he’s done and encouraging the story’s one-shot companion to explore her new emotions.

For a good bit of the audio’s runtime, McCoy takes a back seat to allow the team of Cadwallder and Zanzibar to carry the plot. The suit, Cadwallder, is played by Jonathan Firth, brother of Oscar award-winning actor Colin Firth, and the drug-induced state of un-emotion is perfectly conveyed in his performance. Emotions, mentally or biological, only get in the way of profit and business, and in order to ensure the continued productivity of Pharma Corps encourages others to simply take their meds and go about their day. On the other side, Nasha Niyar (Elaine “The Pain” Boyak from The Story of Tracy Beaker as well as the female programmer from Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways) plays Zanzibar as someone slowly waking up from her emotional hibernation, a kindred spirit to Captain Kybo from Judoon in Chains. It takes place over time, with Niyar reacting and not OVERREACTING in her performance as she takes in fear at the Sycorax, wonder at experiencing alien architecture, horrific beauty at ceiling a holy statue of the Sycorax made out of the skulls of their enemies, and apprehension at the Doctor’s plan to defeat the Sycorax once and for all (which is classic Seventh Doctor scheming).

I personally enjoyed the very end to Harvest of the Sycorax as Seven simply leaves Zanzibar in the facility to contact the authorities and take care of the mess. No muss, no fuss, just “close your eyes” and the sound of a departing TARDIS. This is a weary Seventh Doctor, with the events of the television movie fast approaching. He simply topples empires and moves on to the next injustice.

X X X X X



An instant of the Time War brings centuries of conflict to the planet Drakkis, and the Eighth Doctor is there to witness the terrible results.

A Sontaran fleet, desperate to join the epic conflict, follows in its wake to take advantage of the fallout. But when Commander Jask is beamed down to the ravaged surface, there is more to his arrival than first appears.

Soon, an unlikely champion joins forces with the Time Lord to fight for the future of her world, and together they must face the Sontaran Ordeal…

Paul McGann is the Doctor in The Sontaran Ordeal
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X X X X X

Cast
Paul McGann (The Doctor)
Josette Simon (Sarana Teel)
Dan Starkey (Jask)
Christopher Ryan (General Stenk/Flitch)
Sean Connolly (Tag Menkin/Ensign Stipe)

Written by: Andrew Smith

X X X X X

To some people, labeling the Sontarans as a “new” monster is a bit off-putting, as the Sontarans have been around since the Third Doctor’s run in the early 1970’s! On one hand, the Sontarans as portrayed in The Sontaran Ordeal as the modern day Sontarans who are desperate to somehow break the temporal lock surrounding the Time War so they could somehow take part in the greatest conflict that the universe has known/will know/once knew. On the other hand, the Sontarans in the new series are more identified with Strax, the assistant to Madame Vastra who once served as a nurse for the Sontaran armies and is seen more as a bumbling bit of comic relief as opposed to the a member of a race that no less than the Doctor calls “the finest soldiers in the galaxy.”

I’m willing to put that aside, especially since the Sontarans are my favorite Doctor Who villains and The Sontaran Ordeal treats them with respect. Andrew Smith (known for writing the episode Full Circle) wrote a script called The First Sontarans with the intent of the story being produced for what would have been the Sixth Doctor’s second season (“Season 23”). Of course, the series was put on hiatus at the time and came back a year-and-a-half later with the Trial of a Timelord story arc. Smith’s script was eventually picked up by Big Finish for their Lost Stories range, a range that takes some of the unproduced/unpublished Who scripts from 1963 to 1989 and turns them into fully-fleshed out audios. The First Sontarans is hands down the finest of these Lost Stories, providing an “official” origin for the Sontarans much in the way as Spare Parts provided an “official” origin story for the Cybermen.

The Sontaran Ordeal would have felt right at home as a “classic” Doctor story if it wasn’t for the influence of the Time War. Despite the pleas of the Eighth Doctor, the Time Lords and Daleks rage a battle in the skies over the planet Drakkis. In their eyes, the engagement is over in a matter of minutes. However the temporal energies released during the battle doom the planet’s inhabitants to millennia of constant warfare and strife. In the wake of this conflict, a Sontaran battle fleet arrives, seeking glory for its leader General Stenk by conquering the planet, claiming a piece of the Time War in the process. The Doctor won’t allow the ravages of the Time War to spread any further, but there’s a complication – the Sontaran exile Jask, banished from the fleet for failing to capture one of Drakkis’ city. Is Jask seeking to redeem himself by conquering Drakkis on his own? Is he seeking atonement by defending a delegate seeking to bring peace between two warring city-states? Or is he seeking his own personal glory by delivering to General Stenk the one thing that would ensure the Sontarans personal entry into the Time War – the Doctor’s TARDIS…

The Sontaran Ordeal puts the Sontarans front and center. Words such as “honor” and “glory” are batted around with no hint of sarcasm or humor. These are Sontarans who take conflict seriously, be it one-on-one combat or the engagement of an entire battle fleet. The battle lines here are drawn between General Stenk (Christopher Ryan, who portrayed General Staal in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky as well as starring in a little known sitcom called The Young Ones as Mike Thecoolperson) who sees conquest as a path to personal glory no matter what the risk to the soldiers and officers serving underneath him. On the other side of the conflict is Jask, played by Dan Starkey, aka Strax from the Doctor Who television series. He’s still a Sontaran, and the script plays up that just because he’s on the side of the angels doesn’t mean he’s necessarily one of the “good guys.” He’s still a Sontaran, born and bred for war, and has no problem threatening the Doctor and Sarana to get his way. But where Stenk believes in warfare for his own personal edification, Jask is a believer in warfare for a purpose. Stenk would send ten thousand Sontarans to die solely because it would look good on a battle report. Jask would send ten thousand Sontarans to die only if the end result benefited the glorious Sontaran Empire. It’s the use of an assassin that convinces Jask to ally with the Doctor, as the very act is “cowardly” and shows that Stenk is only concerned about himself, not the soldiers underneath him. The Sontaran Ordeal is very much not a pro-war story by any means. What it does however is redefine (or define what it means for the first time again) what it means to be a Sontaran – honor, duty, and sacrifice for the greater of the Empire…no matter the enemies standing in their way.

On the other other side stands the Eighth Doctor and Sarana Teel, portrayed by Josette Simon who is known to science fiction fans as Dayna Mellanby from Blake’s 7. Sarana is a delegate between two city-states who is trying to convey a peace treaty, one that would end centuries of conflict. She’s not making the trip across Drakkis’ blasted landscape for glory or honor, but for the sake of her two children growing up in a world without war. Sarana is strong and determined, but also inexperienced with battle as Jask gets the drop on her as well as panicking when confronted with her likely demise. Simon plays her as someone more worried about her children more than any concept of legacy, and goes along with the Doctor on the off-chance that he could somehow reverse the effects of the Time War upon her planet and make it into a paradise once again.

Much as the Seventh Doctor’s story showed him nearly the end of that particular regeneration, The Sontaran Ordeal shows a Doctor slowly and enivetably sliding towards his involvement in the Time War whether he likes it or not. Paul McGann plays a reactive Doctor, one who pleads and begs for the Time Lords to choose somewhere else, anywhere else, for their brief conflict, and sets about doing his best to pick up the pieces once the walls come crashing down on Drakkis. There’s a weariness to McGann’s performance. He’s sick of everything that’s happening, but he’s still clinging to his ideals. Do no harm, be kind, keep people safe. But every battle, every survivor, brings him closer to that moment where he steps over the edge and becomes the War Doctor. The Eighth Doctor leaps at the chance to save lives – not just the lives of the citizens of Drakkis who would die in a shooting war with the Sontarans, but the lives of tens of thousands of Sontarans as well who are being put into harm’s way thanks to Stenk’s actions. The Sontarans may go on to fight and die elsewhere another day, but that day won’t be today if the Doctor can help. It makes the ending that much more jarring. As Drakkis celebrates the return of peace, the Doctor offers to help…only for Sarana to tell him to go. He’s a Time Lord. The Time Lords are responsible for the state of Drakkis. And because of the temporal energies released during the brief fight in the atmosphere, Drakkis will ALWAYS know conflict. Sarana’s sons won’t be spared war, and if there’s one message Sarana will pass along to them, it’s this. ”Never trust a Time Lord.”

The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky is my favorite Tenth Doctor serial, even though it’s not the “best” story. Likewise, The Sontaran Ordeal isn’t the “best” story in the Classic Doctors, New Monsters box set but it’s my favorite. I’m an Eight fanboy, I’m a Sontaran fanboy, and this story portrays both of them as they should be portrayed – one of them weary at the destruction around them, and one relishing the chance to jump in and take advantage of the destruction of the greater glory of the Sontaran Empire. The final scene may be leading into the upcoming Time War series coming out in late 2017, and if that’s the case The Sontaran Ordeal would make a fine prequel to help set the stage for it.

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Cobi’s Synopsis – Four solid stories, four topflight Doctors, and three new and one rebooted sets of villains all add up to make Classic Doctors, New Monsters Volume 1 an easily recommended pick up that will delight four kinds of fans – classic series fans, new series fans, audio fans, and Big Finish fans.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

It's a very good boxset, even the "weak" story (the Sontarans one) is very good and explores some interesting aspects of Sontaran culture - I love the dignity in Jask's final scene particularly. The Judoon story is definitely my favorite though, and one I would love to see televised.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



CobiWann posted:




Judoon in Chains is penned by the writing team of Simon Barnard and Paul Morris, best known for Big Finish’s 50th anniversary audio The Light at the End as well as several stories for the Jago & Litefoot range.

FYI, Briggs wrote The Light at the End, not Barnard and Morris.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Davros1 posted:

FYI, Briggs wrote The Light at the End, not Barnard and Morris.

drat it, I wrote down The End of the Line and had mental vapor lock. Fixed.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



Short Synopsis: Bad writing, poor characters, awful dialogue... it's great!

Long Synopsis: When Charley's bathtime reading puts the Doctor in danger of a gigantic fine, he sets about to cheat the system by returning the book the same day he took it out. An encounter gone wrong sees them both end up trapped in a Gothic Romance, losing their identities to the contrived set-up and wallowing in the melodrama of it all.

What's Good:
  • The concept. Initially the Doctor makes a leap of logic that feels like something out of the first Doctor in The Chase, convinced that the TARDIS has taken he and Charley literally when they said they should go to Rookwood, materializing them within the world of the book itself. Once he realizes what is going on though, the concept is quite a clever one. A race called the Grel (who I believe featured in Bernice Summerfield's New Adventures novels?) have assaulted a library in search of facts, and are furious to have discovered the fiction section is full of things that are decidedly NOT facts. So they set about trying to "fix" this, using a nanomachine device that will seek out the closest environment that matches the "facts" in the books and then adjust that environment to match so that everything that is written is, in fact, true. Of course they're complete idiots and their plan is doomed to failure, except interference by the Doctor and Charley means it ends up working far better than it ever should have. Charley half-destroys the copy of the book attacking the machine, infusing it with nano-machines that read the awful melodrama inside and then hitch a ride on the TARDIS back to Earth in the 18th Century when the book was set, where they do everything they can to make reality mirror fiction and thus turn fiction into fact. Sound complicated? It isn't, at all. The audio slides this all easily into the listeners' minds and it isn't till the story is over that I really sat back and thought,"Now hang on this doesn't make a lick of sense!" I was easily able to suspend my disbelief because the story was well told, the performances were so fun, and Colin Baker in particular gloried in hamming it up. This reminds me in some ways of another favorite 6 audio of mine - Year of the Pig - where everybody involved just seems to be having so much fun that it's easy to get carried along for the ride.

  • The melodrama. The inspiration for the audio is in Gothic Melodrama, and it nails it with the fantastically contrived setups, chance encounters and coincidences, and protestations of love at first sight eagerly reciprocated. Doom hangs over all, curses are real, people moon about in crypts or seethe over past transgressions while vowing revenge. Highwaymen stalk the streets and plague the minds of men and the hearts of women. People are poisoned and shot, revenge is claimed, women fall from grace - it's everything for a young lady to thrill over while lying in the grass reading on a summer's day and letting her imagination run wild. And it's all utterly ridiculous, none of it makes any sense or bothers with historical accuracy and the whole thing just drives the Doctor mad because everybody just seems to accept all of this as a matter of course. It's only when he fully embraces the madness that things really start happening, and it's so fun to watch him take advantage of the insanity to break it to his will - his escape from entombment, surviving being shot, and his night ride to York - it's all based on him realizing what is going on and riding the wave. It also means that Charley gets a chance to play two wildly different characters - the lovestruck young woman who meets the man of her dreams and agrees to be married (within 10 minutes of meeting!) and the cunning gypsy thief who craves as much excitement as possible both in rejection of the society that disdains her and the curse that has overshadowed her entire life. BECAUSE it's melodrama, the audio gets to cheat and not bother with setting up any of these characters or back stories, they just... are. She meets Dick Turpin and he goes from a leering rear end in a top hat to suddenly a thrilling adventurer who "recognizes" her as his old partner/paramour just as she "recognizes" him as the same. Similarly, the Doctor becomes her Uncle or a King's Messenger as circumstances dictate, and even when things make no sense at all the "characters" all acknowledge and accept them as if they did, and the listener can enjoy the disconnect.

  • The conclusion. Things get crazy sci-fi in the end but again it feels like it makes complete sense. Even if gothic melodrama tends not to feature 20 foot tall monsters declaring themselves Gods, it all seems somehow in keeping with the ludicrousness of the situation. Calling back to the opening of the story, Dick Turpin becomes the lodestone for the Grel nanomachines and the conflict between the romantic image of Turpin and the scummy reality proves his undoing. The story opened with the Doctor correcting Charley on her vision of the type of person Turpin was, and this argument is deliberately reignited to force this "Turpin" to acknowledge that the "facts" cannot be reconciled. He was not a man of the people who robbed from the rich to give to the poor, he did not have a mighty steed named Black Bess, and he died ignominiously after his arrest for horse theft while living under an assumed name brought his true identity to light. The Doctor's growing understanding and adaptation to the "fiction" he finds himself surrounded by is so well handled, his decision to surrender his sense of self to the fiction after setting in motion a plan helps him not only catch up to Charley (he realizes that as a tertiary character in the "story" he has no chance of catching up to the "main" characters unless he changes the story) but does wonders to strengthen the sense of relationship between them. His trust in her to know what to do once his plan cures her but leaves him a "character" touches her deeply, and the way she keeps her head about her once she's cured impresses him. That the story ends with a little real life melodrama is just a lovely bit of irony, as a long lost sister is discovered by the family and we get a happy ending after all.

What's Not:

  • The Grel. Unfortunately, what kicks this all off is the Grel, and they're... kinda lovely really. In concept what they do is pretty cool, and their literal interpretation of "facts" is fun.... but their voices are just silly. It's all done for comic relief of course but that also means its a little much to believe that they could build a machine so capable of rewriting the human (and Gallifreyan!) mind. Of course they're helped along by the TARDIS, but as the catalyst for the story that follows they're over-the-top in a way that gets it wrong where the rest of the story gets it so right.

Final Thoughts:

It's not for everyone and it's far from perfect, but The Doomwood Curse is one of those stories that I just really, really enjoyed listening to. It starts weak and the first chapter feels a little contrived but then once I realized exactly where they were going with this and got onboard the whole thing was just a joy to listen to. The Doctor and Charley are largely separated during the course of the story and Charley isn't really Charley for most of it, but that doesn't work against it at all. Hayley Atwell (from Agent Carter and appearances in the Marvel Universe films) largely serves as the Doctor's fill-in companion and does well, but as usual this is mostly the Colin Baker show, and his 6 carries the day with a wonderful mixture of bewildered outrage at the melodrama and sly manipulation of it all. India Fisher is very good as well in her varied roles, though I have to say as much fun as it is to have her around she does seem to have rather calmly adapted to being with the wrong Doctor in an earlier version of the TARDIS - I don't mind her covering up when around the Doctor, but the fact she seems to have just settled back in like she was home again even though the whole thing should feel foreign and "off" to her does feel a little like Big Finish are slightly missing the potential for a fun exploration - something akin to River Song's explanation of how it felt to be around the 10th Doctor and seeing him as "not done yet". But that's a matter for the story arc as a whole. This individual story works just fine by itself, more than fine - it's really good! So long as you're not taking things too seriously I think this a story most people will enjoy, even if a lot of it doesn't make a lick of sense!

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!
If there's one thing about Big Finish I've noticed as the main range rolled along and company as a whole got popular, the amount of actors/actresses I've known from other, more recent movies/shows surprises me, like Olivia d'Abo and now Haley Atwell.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

CobiWann posted:

If there's one thing about Big Finish I've noticed as the main range rolled along and company as a whole got popular, the amount of actors/actresses I've known from other, more recent movies/shows surprises me, like Olivia d'Abo and now Haley Atwell.

Atwell originally showed up in the first two EDAs, so before she was in Captain America and all that, but it's good that she's been able to do it again (she was also in a Fourth Doctor two-fer, Sands of Life and War Against the Laan). Everyone seems to have good experiences working with these guys and is all "I hope I can do this again!"

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Just out of curiosity, did Carey Mulligan ever do anything for Big Finish before she was in Blink and then transitioned successfully into films?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Jerusalem posted:

Just out of curiosity, did Carey Mulligan ever do anything for Big Finish before she was in Blink and then transitioned successfully into films?

Nope. Blink was very early in her career, IIRC.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Oooooh.

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

January is so far away :(

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

GOOD FACT

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Box of Bunnies posted:

January is so far away :(

Don't fret, Season 10 is going to be debuting in the fall!*

*comment's temporal status situated upon previously obtained data regarding season premieres.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I'm glad I get this joke now :)

Gonna be gladder when I get that boxset though!

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
War Doctor 3 in September
Doom Coalition 3 in October
Unit: Silenced in November (as in The Silence)
Cold Fusion in December..

Sounds like a good rest of the year!

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

The_Doctor posted:

War Doctor 3 in September
Doom Coalition 3 in October
Unit: Silenced in November (as in The Silence)
Cold Fusion in December..

Sounds like a good rest of the year!

the second 3rd Doctor box set and Torchwood Outbreak are in November as well!

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Wasn't the series 9 soundtrack supposed to be out by now?

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
They still haven't even hinted at a release date.

Stabbatical
Sep 15, 2011

Huh, they still release those? I think I bought them up to Series 4 before I just lost interest in listening to the show's music.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
https://twitter.com/NY_Comic_Con/status/765581295522975744

YOOOOO

DoorMatt134
Oct 19, 2012
Grimey Drawer
http://news.tvguide.co.uk/david-suchet-joins-doctor-who/

I don't know if it's the brown suit but he looks like a very old David Tennant to me.

Stabbatical
Sep 15, 2011

DoorMatt134 posted:

http://news.tvguide.co.uk/david-suchet-joins-doctor-who/

I don't know if it's the brown suit but he looks like a very old David Tennant to me.

I'm too used to seeing him as Poirot for that to not look weird.

echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style

I'll be there as well, but my autograph will be thrice the price of Jenna's. THRICE.

DoorMatt134
Oct 19, 2012
Grimey Drawer
I recently saw a re-run of the Robert Maxwell drama he did way back when and he was fresh-creepingly disturbing in that, so I'm sincerely hoping he's up to no good in his guest role in this. If not, then someone else will need to have an outrageous moustache to temper my disappointment.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


DoorMatt134 posted:

http://news.tvguide.co.uk/david-suchet-joins-doctor-who/

I don't know if it's the brown suit but he looks like a very old David Tennant to me.

"The Landlord"--sounds like a renegade Time Lord to me! :v:



That awkward moment when your new girl and your old girl meet up...

echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style
I've got a Q for the old-school Who types:

Can anyone shed any light on the following?




It's the first I've heard of such a thing and while I know about the Star Wars/2001 prop reuses in/after DW, but I'd be astonished if one of the previously assumed destroyed TB miniatures ended up in another show. I can't find any other mention of such a thing anywhere, which usually means it's bollocks, but if anything I'd be interested in seeing in at least what they're mistaking it for.

(This isn't a work question btw)

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MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
The only ship I remember in The Invasion of Time (which is a dreadful story and I entirely support your decision not to find out on your own) was the Vardan's one:





which doesn't look very TB2y to me

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