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it's the other guys that'll try to sell me newspapers right? i'll consider voting for you all as long as i don't get asked to purchase a newspaper.
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quote:A deal was reached by early Thursday morning, when 97 workers received two months' salary and compensation that together totaled almost $300,000, reported the Beijing News, a local tabloid. Starnes told the Associated Press he was forced to give in to the workers' demands, and described his experience over the past six days as "humiliating, embarrassing." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/06/27/china-factory-chip-starnes/2462705/
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From my limited understanding unions exist but are state run and thus pretty much non confrontational company unions. So most labor activism is either wildcat actions when workers get fed up, or organizing down through NGOs that are explicitly not unions. If you are prominent enough in one of those NGOs you're a target for arrest. China Labour Bulletin seems like a decent site to check stuff out on http://www.clb.org.hk/ I got back to reading about this thanks to an In These Times article on Special Economic Zones http://inthesetimes.com/features/special-economic-zones-corporate-utopia-capitalism.html
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Aug 26, 2016 16:37
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I blame Deng Xiaoping
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Looks at history Uhh, Cuba? If Obama succeeds in establishing normalized relations then I can't see them staying that way. Good luck getting to the worker ownership stage at this point since commies don't have nukes anymore and there's nothing stopping capitalist intervention. I think this makes me a dirty Trot doesn't it
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Also, I wonder what the liberal squatters ITT feel about the United States supporting an active communist insurgency in Syria. The one a NATO ally has begun attacking? I don't think there's much hope for that long term.
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My main actual interaction with Chinese business is their increase relationship with private equity firms in the US. quote:Recent deals include China Three Gorges' acquisition of Blackstone-backed (BX.N) German offshore wind park Meerwind and Chinese investment firm Creat Group Corporation's purchase of British biotech firm Bio Products Laboratories (BPL) from Bain Capital for 820 million pounds ($1.21 billion). Even stuff like purchasing real estate often means acquiring hotels and janitorial staff, and Chinese ownership doesn't mean improved conditions. From the point of view of worker organizing in the US I'm not aware of anyone who knows how to fight Chinese owners. You can't exactly picket them. In Illinois last year a meat packing plant got bought by a Chinese firm that proceeded to invite in ICE in for an audit. Thirty-six workers were fired and eight arrested. http://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/2015/01/23/hosen-capital-acquires-chicago-beef-processor-ruprecht-company http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18176/confronted_with_an_immigration_raid_during_negotiations_meatpacking_workers http://www.progressillinois.com/news/content/2015/11/19/union-calls-firing-ice-official-over-mundelein-meatpacking-plant-audit This all has spurred me to read up more on labor in China, but right now Chinese leadership doesn't seem to be a friend of workers elsewhere.
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Badger of Basra posted:American workers are labor aristocrats so why should I care about them The meat packing plant guys were undocumented so technically not american I guess I meant more directly target the owners. McDonald's get's a Fight for $15 protest every year at their headquarters right now. Can't really do that in Biejing. http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-brook/news/ct-dob-mcdonalds-protest-tl-0602-20160525-story.html
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Aug 27, 2016 04:51
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Everyone who posts in this thread is now a 49ers fan. quote:Socialist presidential candidate Gloria La Riva: We salute Colin Kaepernick
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Aug 27, 2016 23:59
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https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/chinese-labor-dividedquote:But the men and women of China’s traditional socialist working class did not go quietly. Throughout the late 1990s and early 2000s, hundreds of thousands of protests and strikes erupted across China, involving millions of laid-off workers. In a few cases, mass riots engulfed cities in days of violence and had to be suppressed by the military. In many localities, protests were so commonplace that hourly radio traffic reports included updates on which intersections were barricaded.  Hell yeahChinese workers seem cool
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Lol they lost and got fired and now there kids live in a less secure economy This is the PSL thread, moral victories but material defeats belong here
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Flashback to a bit earlier about Chinese property law, the LOC has a write up on the 2004 Constitution https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2015/03/chinese-law-on-private-ownership-of-real-property/ quote:The PRC Constitution on Private Property While the state technically owns all the land, that all it owns. Literally anything else on the land can be privately owned. So even from a de jure perspective legally China going full communism seems a bit tricky. quote:However, individuals may privately own houses and apartments, i.e. buildings and structures above the land, but not the land on which the houses and apartments are situated. The Property Rights Law provides that “[i]ndividuals are entitled to enjoy ownership of such immovable and movable properties as their lawful incomes, houses/apartments, articles for daily use, tools of production, and raw materials.” (Property Rights Law, art. 64.) When real estate is transferred, according to the Urban Real Estate Law, the ownership of houses/apartments and the land use right of the land on which the buildings are situated are transferred simultaneously. (Urban Real Estate Law, art. 32.) Atrocious Joe fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Communists accidentally irradiate their own countries. Capitalists purposely irradiate countries where they wage wars of aggression.
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Aug 31, 2016 22:58
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Yeah I remembered Fukushima a minute after posting. Use of depleted uranium in warfare still seems more damning.
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Aug 31, 2016 23:16
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The theft of public wealth in Russia has absolutely no parallels in western countries. 
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I know one science The immortal science of Marxism-Leninism
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gently caress, time to go brown moses on soviet era munition production
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Nice try but you need to up the grog/gun nut https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/125_mm_smoothbore_ammunition
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The influence of centuries of German domination helped civilize the Czechs so their minds were better able to accept capitalism. The Russians meanwhile were most influenced by the Tartars so they were unable to adapt to capitalism.
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https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/770369952910106624 Hell yeah fam we did it. We've subverted the NFL.
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Tbf we will probably all be communists when forced in line to be processed at Amazon's blood extraction facilities, but it'll probably be too late at that point.
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asdf32 posted:I've said before that some form of post scarcity socialism is a likely and possibly necessary scenario in my daughter's lifetime. But rather than ideological religion and a pathological attachment to violent historical figures that transformation is going to depend on a population that can respond cooly and rationally the problems in front of them. As the oceans engulf our cities, diseases ravage our bodies, and masses of refugees arrive willing to fight to become a part of what is still a relatively privileged existence in the West, our economic masters will finely sit down and coolly and rationally determine that now is the time to implement FULL COMMUNISM.
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quote:40 percent of food in the United States today goes uneaten. This not only means that Americans are throwing out the equivalent of $165 billion each year, but also that the uneaten food ends up rotting in landfills as the single largest component of U.S. municipal solid waste where it accounts for a large portion of U.S. methane emissions. Reducing food losses by just 15 percent would be enough food to feed more than 25 million Americans every year at a time when one in six Americans lack a secure supply of food to their tables.
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Constantly mocking what you consider a dead ideology is basically political necrophilia right
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I like social democracy but you can't keep capital restrained without strong communist parties/countries to offer an alternative. I don't think its a coincidence Reagan was the one to launch an all out war on labor in the US (admittedly after years of reaction) and was willing to get into a nuclear war with the soviets. Peace with capital only lasts until the capitalist are willing to kill everyone to win.
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I'm not sure the weakness of social democracy has to do with morality Like, "we consider our working class collaborators in our global empire" doesn't seem more moral than "wealth is the only judge of worth, even in our nation" I realize I shift from trot to social democrat to 3rd world maoist every few posts btw
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Ormi posted:yeah it was kind of a coincidence given shipping innovations, the 70s oil shock, stagflation, and the 80's oil glut that eventually killed the ussr and impacted its global outreach tremendously. neoliberalism exploded after communism lost much of its global apeal of course, but the foundations were always there I guess I was more speaking to attitudes than outcomes. In the US specifically the political camp that wanted to destroy the limited welfare state and engage in limited (lol) nuclear war with the USSR saw those goals as perfectly complementary. That they actually succeeded is because of wider geopolitical trends. Kennedy and Johnson were very aggressive against communism, but paired it with the idea that US workers will benefit from those wars. Ties between the AFL-CIO and US intelligence were built under that regime, and used to subvert communism in other countries. Under Reagan proactively building ties with unions was off the agenda, even to subvert elements to their left.
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Condiv posted:anyone voted for gloria la riva? I'm writing her in tomorrow Pener Kropoopkin posted:You should read the article "Four Futures" from Jacobin, and maybe also read the follow up book which expands on it that I've been reading in bits an pieces when I'm not playing Civ VI. Alright book but it's sort of sketchy in some points. The exterminism section was really interesting to me, along with noting how the rich might get to a Full Communism utopia as everyone else is dying from environmental catastrophes in a sort of global parallel to European contact with the Americas. I hate his example of productive human interaction with nature being robot bees, which is literally the dumbest poo poo. Keeping bees alive is easier than reinventing them from scratch.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm an astrologist now. I saw the original tweet you took this from Still a funny joke
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PSL is having protests against Trump in Chicago, NYC, LA, Sacramento and San Fran tonight. I need advice for my sign comrades. https://twitter.com/pslweb/status/796423107779166208 Homework Explainer posted:i've made it to the big time Bringing the off site back on site
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Humidora posted:There's gonna be a protest here in Seattle this evening. I just recently moved here so it'll be a nice networking opportunity. Good job! It's called organizing when it's for left wing activities btw
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CSPAM rn https://twitter.com/TheoRettich/status/796799151350628352
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:I need good books to read, suggestions? Wrt race in America The New Jim Crow is great, but you (or some dude with that same avi) were on the ground in Ferguson during the protests right? So probably rehashing poo poo you know. I started reading From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation now and its pretty good so far
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Homework Explainer posted:maybe but a better use of their time and resources would be in building a mass movement through the things you mentioned. it's a tougher road to hoe and will take a long time but it's very possible National electoral politics is a road to nowhere for the left probably I think local races could be a possibility though. Suburban poverty is increasing as the poor are increasingly priced out of cities. Most suburbs were established to be little bastions of white supremacy with a small electorate and tax base only big enough to sustain a police force. White flight, disinvestment, and deindustrialisation has hit a lot of these towns hard since about the 1990s, as increasing numbers of black and brown residents have moved in. Since these municipalities are pretty small and have low turnout for local elections, it might not be that hard to get some dedicated socialists elected. This would all presumably be done to help run and fund wider social programs run by the mass movement. There's a lot of caveats with this. Presumably any attempt to do this in a GOP controlled state, and most Dem controlled states, would just result in the state outlawing municipalities from doing whatever social welfare program you're looking to do. Here's an article with some numbers and links. quote:By 2012, suburbs were home to nearly as many high poverty tracts as cities (4,313 versus 5,353), and almost half (46 percent) of all metro area poor residents living in high-poverty tracts lived in suburbs.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:AFL-CIO is bending their knee to Trump. RIP Culinary Union, offered up as a sacrifice to satiate President Trump
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I went to a DSA meeting and it seemed pretty chill. Trying to get some of my more left-liberal friends into it. Although this makes me suspicious 
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Was talking to a German from the east who's family fled from central Europe to avoid the Red Army, and my dislike of Rowling caused a bigger argument than my admiration of the Soviet Union. The entire interaction was CSpam as hell. Pop culture criticism is apparently going to be more divisive for the younger generations than opinions on the Holodomor
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