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SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Whelp, signed up for the psl

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SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Speaking of that, does anyone have a recommendation for a few good books on the Russian communist revolution? How did that happen?

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



PSL, DSA, there's a lot of competing parties out there though.

edit: didn't the DSA endorse obama lol

SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Nov 11, 2016

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



i just feel like a group that endorsed obama is probably not that socialist, idk.

better than the DNC i guess

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



reformism probably won't work but it is worth trying alongside other methods, i agree

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



He's gonna be murdered lol

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



does anyone have some good examples of socialist literature I can print out and give to people/talk about? I'm in the suburban/rural South so it's mostly poor white people exactly like you talked about ^

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I already signed up to the psl a few days ago and haven't gotten a response from them yet. I feel like they are overwhelmed at the moment.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012




Good idea, let me hand out smartphones instead of papers. Good idea

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I wish the PSL and other groups were more organized and consolidated into a single entity. I worry that some of the people who would have been swayed to go do something will calm down if no one gets to them in these coming weeks.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Yeah but it's really hard to figure out a way to get people organized without some help in getting the materials, ideas on what to do, etc. Those are things that a party should help with, imo.

Either way, I've been talking to people about it around here. I'm just worried someone will recognize me at my job and I'll lose it.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



also try to raise consciousness of how capitalism is failing but people think you're crazy if you criticise the US

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I put in apps for a few about 2 weeks ago now and none have responded yet. They are either hugely swamped or have given up :v:

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



apply for PSL and DSA, but they will take weeks to get to you. lots of people signing up

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



AHungryRobot posted:

Great news if true but how do you know that?

i suppose they could just be not responding when previously they responded fairly quickly

or maybe it's because trump just got elected president so leftists are turning away from the Democratic party.

you decide

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



It just seems so unlikely to convince people that the two party system isn't the way. It's been like that for so long

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



What they're saying is don't act condescending Jesus Christ you guys are pedantic.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



How much do the family owned farms produce compared to the giant industrial ones?

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

This is literally all I wanted. Thank you.

Your analysis of liberal democracy is shallow and excludes America's rich history of direct democracy. But whatever. Contra you and PK, I do not reject socialist democracy out of hand. I acknowledge the value of the benefits you mention in your third and fourth paragraphs. It's a genuine shame that so far it has always come at the expense of a free press, free thought, free expression, and the general free flow of information. We'll have to agree to disagree on how we stack our hierarchy of values.

hey you know i'd happily take one party having absolute power over the country if it meant i didn't have to toil away 60 hours a week trying to provide for myself.

namaste

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



PPG is a real irony boy I'm betting on him.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



i imagine it's hard for revolutionary socialism to work when the other 80% of the world is hardline capitalist and attacks them

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I guess we can continue full steam with capitalism, then?

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

lol at this whiny bullshit. The same logic that says capitalism must be replaced also says that capitalism will resist being replaced with all its might. If revolutionary socialism is doomed to fail unless capitalism just rolls over for it, you should probably pick a better political philosophy.

Hmm on the one hand there is an 'idealist' philosophy that believes in treating other people as brothers and sisters.

On the other hand, gently caress everything, profit is sacred.


Yeah I guess you're right, I should give up just because it's not easy!

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Woozy posted:

i dont think he's saying you should give up

It seemed like a snarky comment made for no reason, tbh. Then again I haven't slept in 2 days because I'm sick so I am kind of out of it. Carry on.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012




this is a good video

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I'm thinking of joining the IWW. I don't think the psl is very interested in a random guy from Alabama joining because they probably don't even have a branch in the state.

Also I'm starting a socialist club at my college. Lots of Bernie voters who could be brought around imo

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



asdf32 posted:

Yeah it probably means something that half the responses in the Marxism thread are comics or YouTube videos.

Memes are a good way to not surrender to a feeling of helplessness

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Hmm yes interesting take.

Here's mine: *fart*


If you consider the idea of communism to be weirder than religion you're pretty much a loving idiot, tbh

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Baloogan posted:

do you guys have any figureheads less than 100 years old?

Well Marx (and Engels) had the good fortune to describe capitalism pretty well back at the onset of it. I would argue that their texts are still relevant.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



jarofpiss posted:

pisspiggrandpa is a good figurehead for the new irony left

He's a good memer that's for sure.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Did the ussr do anything wrong.

SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Dec 11, 2016

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Plenty of people I know have said "I don't care about the facts, this is how I 'feel'" so appealing to things being true is pretty useless imo

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



YPG is also a Marxist-Leninist group, though how much they believe in that is up for debate.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Baloogan posted:

there are bigger problems in this world than a KFC worker getting fired after posting a vid of him making GBS threads in the sauce to facebook

Wow these are some HOT TAKES my man. I bet this is the only time anyone has ever lost their means of sustenance because of their boss. No way that a job creator could ever be prejudiced, no goddamn way.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Apparently some seem to be

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Yes :)

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Baloogan posted:

I see the laws made in Washington, D.C.
I think of the ones I consider my favorites

Some civil servants are just like my loved ones
They work so hard and they try to be strong

Don't you worry 'bout me
I wouldn't worry about me
Don't you worry 'bout me
Don't you worry 'bout meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Do you think that fairly unrestricted capitalism and more liberalism is the answer?

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



If you aborted Palpatine ...

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I'm not sure what all that meant but Lichtenstein is a loving rad name

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SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Supporting communism is a good excuse imo

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