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Frog Act posted:yeah most of this cohort of "intellectuals" are reactionary monarchists or at least theocrats who believe in the importance of the state being explicitly sanctioned and guided by the Catholic church. they interest me because their theoretical proclivities often result in them rubbing shoulders with anti-liberal philosophers, marxists, anarchists, etc and they feign genuine interest in ideas coming from Marxist and leftist thinkers in general in order to appropriate them for their own bizarre agenda. like the whole left anarchist thing about organic, authentic society being derived from institutions with a precapitalist intellectual provenance and social influence not predicated on commodities, marketing, or promoting Liberal social agendas (which I'm ambivalent about but is a common enough thing) is a set of ideas they're particularly fond of. for all their set dressing they basically yearn to be a bishop in the prevernacular medieval church, guiding the peasants with their benevolent scholastic wisdom, they aren't genuinely interested in anything that isn't odious there's a guy on youtube called the distributist that seems to fall in that mould, a conservative anti-capitalist using GK Chesteron as an avatar. seems like he's cozying up to some of the zero books leftists. i sort of don't mind these guys because I personally don't think you can ever wind back the clock and restore the bishoprics and retake stolen church land, but I dunno
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could a socialist also rescue the noble volcel tradition from the abyss of pederasty where it most of its adherents currently reside?
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Goast posted:pederasts gently caress though, how can you be a volcel pedophile? be a catholic priest, obviously
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i think people will always be unable to separate their interest in someone's work and whether or not they find that person likable
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Everyone should listen to the Behind the Bastards episode on stalin. I don't know nor do I care if it's all true, but the idea of stalin inviting his comrades over for 12+ drinking sessions and throwing orange peels at people all day makes me laugh the radio war nerd episode about cold war science talking about a socialist eugenicist wanting to impregnate Russian women with Stalin's seed was loving hilarious
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Larry Parrish posted:drat. Actually hes opened my eyes. If we cant take control of the lowtax beam to take ruination to our political enemies in a tiny private forum online, what's even the point of being a leftist. online revanchism is pretty heady stuff
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freckle posted:Marie Kondo ah yes, the new front for Aleph
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Larry Parrish posted:i loving hate guys like this who are constantly technically right lol. hey buddy, generally speaking the church has always hated commies and believe it or not but its usually not us that starts that fight the technically correct version would be "religious organizations" not "religious people" i think.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:i "deactivated" last night, as in i was drunk and set my age to september 11th 2011 and i was immediately suspended for being underage lmao. my last post was wishing the ayatollah good luck in targeting pompeo & trump so i doubt im getting that back. good job leaving that poo poo site, it turns everyone's brains bad
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Larry Parrish posted:I love to engage with psyops and wreckers and liberals all day. In fact I tell myself that it's a great and productive use of my free time (no job due to anxiety). whom else is going to police leftist internet spaces, and make sure everyone supports police abolition
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trolling the bernie thread is fine, a bit of criticism even for the good candidate is important
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Varinn posted:red guards is absolutely like two or three feds grooming mentally unstable dudes they find on the internet into terrorists That makes the most sense to me. Although it seems kinda pointless, the status quo in the US alone acts as a strong deterrent against poor people of colour from getting out to vote.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the govt infiltrates moms for peace type groups Yeah I know, they'll infiltrate any organization they can, if only to justify their budget spending.
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Homeless Friend posted:Right. so about cspam.
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THS posted:not in the way you think. all of us are going to be transported back in time to our own bodies in 2008, current memories intact a bunch of people screaming about barack the betrayer and president donald trump for 8 years. awesome.
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Homeless Friend posted:i think i'll spend my time posting in D&D, positng huge tweet storms. maybe eventually being modded. then i'll start an elaborate sigint op or something will you warn vilera--aw beaten
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GalacticAcid posted:I only resent one probation I’ve ever received - when the unread iospace rang me up for making a joke about Gamal Abdel Nasser, who he had never heard of, and somehow assumed I was referring to the rapist Larry Nassar lol that's bs
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Peanut President posted:she's a good egg but lol sas mods are always bad i will defend the honour of my friend, hand knit
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Frog Act posted:hmm word I'm gonna have to bookmark this thread and post there cus I've got a good pile of books that merit further discussion I dunno I found it kinda hopeful? But he had a lot of bad stuff going on in his brain and I can't imagine worrying about twitter and twitter drama helped. But I guess he'd fall into the "posting is praxis/building material support" camp like a lot of online addicted people Also, as always, free Larry Parish
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gradenko_2000 posted:Cross posting: great post -- I'm working through Thomas Piketty's book and while I think it has some flaws it's refreshing to have people burrow down on capitalism specifically and what it is, not just vague handwaving about the roman republic being capitalist or other ahistorical nonsense. I'll have to check this book out after I'm done with piketty
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gradenko_2000 posted:Actually, if we look at Buttigeig's numbers: A conservative estimate is about 200k, so it's still better than 2016. Seems like the ground game did make a difference.
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jarofpiss posted:it was actually good. the people taking state power through electoral politics is the absolute best case scenario and we should engage in it sincerely and wholeheartedly with the goal of staving off bloodshed. i think sitting back and sneering at people organizing around the movement coalescing around bernie is cynical and broke-brained. yeah. and even with that being said people should absolutely build institutions that don't rely on electoralism as well, if only to enforce any electoral gains because you can't count on the DNC trying to control bernard even if he wins. but the least violent path is the best one because the most vulnerable people are always going to die and suffer first in any serious revolution
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Zas posted:i do think if bernie loses to trump, that could really bad. basically all the populist democratic left gains would be in question, and its not like radical left politics would benefit either, i dont think (strictly talking about amerikkka here) if he loses to trump, the left is going to have to eat poo poo like labour under corbyn did just a few months ago. I wouldn't say it's the end of everything, but people are going to generally turn to alternate forms of organizing. It still might mean that the democratic party dies, if only because the only way I see bernie losing to trump is if enough democrats defect to the GOP however, bernie's popularity seems to clearly extend beyond leftist circles so that's something. and given that he seems to be the only one who organized satellite caucuses in iowa it suggests his campaign is a lot better prepared to use every tool available to achieve electoral success
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and obviously electing sanders is step 1 in a generational project to slowly replace every person in a position of power in the US with people sympathetic to modest social democratic reforms. congress, the senate, and the supreme court have to be stacked full of left wing people to enact half of the poo poo he wants to do
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jarofpiss posted:i don't think this is going to happen that slowly. i think we are at a historical tipping point. that would be genuinely impressive given the institutional roadblocks in place.
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jarofpiss posted:bernie dropping his own iowa counts the minute they had their snafu says to me he isn't trying to maintain the kayfabe of the american electoral process. i think we're entering a period where electoralism is perilously hanging on by a thread and we will start seeing real pushes to transform the process. I agree that it was good to see and indicates the Sanders campaign is ready for at least some of the ratfucking coming their way. Lightning Knight posted:if this is actually true then we're hosed lol Dirty work can be done by people engaged in electoralism, it's not mutually exclusive with revolutionary action imo. In the recent American political past electoralism was dirty work. The left should make it that way again.
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Karl Barks posted:the largest revolutionary class in the US right now is grad students yeah
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apropos to nothing posted:this is like a minimum/maximum program. you call for one thing while saying you think it wont help achieve your real end goals while having some other form of organizing which is separate and apart from it to keep it like pure. revolutionaries should support and actively be calling for votes for bernie while pointing out how limiting his running as a democrat is and patiently explaining to his supporters why we need to transform the movement behind sanders into a real revolutionary movement. the first step of that process would be explaining the need for a new mass workers party and how sanders could use his campaign to begin something like that. there shouldnt be two levels to organizing, use revolutionary methods in the fight to win sanders election. doing so brings you into contact with the most politically mature and advanced layers of the working class, while also demonstrating how the real power of sanders' campaign was not in him as an individual but through the methods and organization of the working class movement which supported him. his campaign and election is one huge step in helping to teach a generation of working class people how mass movements work and how to build power. Not only do you need a mass workers party to support Bernie you need one to hold him accountable so he doesn't waffle or compromise on important issues. I know everyone loves the socialist grandpa but it's entirely possible he gains power but chooses not to exercise it to the degree he must, and that's where pressure from below comes into play.
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sanders could also deal a serious blow to all the lovely undemocratic surveillance state institutions that orbit the presidency, like the NSA the upside of the development of the imperial presidency over the last 70 years is you can have someone show up and dismantle a lot of this crap. I have to imagine there'd be republicans amenable to ripping apart the deep state apparatus that's been hounding their big boy trump the last few years of course those institutions will fight back viciously so
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:lol anarchists
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Serf posted:when i think of marxists, i think of a desire to return to a golden past yeah I mean...what? who doesn't think marxism is fundamentally utopian project/form of thought? And does it necessarily follow that getting rid of consumerism is a return to the past and not some path forward? I mean she's not wrong that a lot of people haven't read Marx but beyond that it seems like she's trying to attack some small group of people but make it seem like she's actually referring to the entire modern left at the same time Grevling posted:Life under Capitalism sucks in many ways but there are some things that definitely don't suck and we sound like spoiled contrarians when we don't acknowledge that. this I can agree with -- and the people who tend to be the most against consumerism are always the ones who have most of their material needs already met. For me it's more of a strategic blunder than a theoretical one to dismiss the material wealth capitalism provides for some people. Being able to have that but with a redistribution of those resources and without the exploitation in the production was supposed to be the sales pitch. Ultimately Marxism can't help you if you feel spiritually unfulfilled by having endless consumer choice, it can help you if you have endless consumer choice but are dying from not being able to afford insulin. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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