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Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake

ShakeZula posted:

That was a drat good episode right there. And they even cracked the secret of how to make the worst person in the world even worse: turns out it's child rape!

I called that from the episode before. I knew he did something like that to make Jamie do what he did.

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Norse Code
Mar 10, 2007

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what a cool secret back room the King has! I loved seeing her necklace change to black, that was neat.

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Thank goodness we're back in Scotland. I like it so much better!

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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Norse Code posted:

Thank goodness we're back in Scotland. I like it so much better!

More kilts is always better. :D The Old Fox was great (by which I mean he's awful).

Last week's episode - the entire bit with the King was incredible. And Caitriona just blew me away with her acting. :cry

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

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Outlander just got renewed for TWO more seasons, hooray for rabid fan bases!

Really, this is the best news possible, considering what's coming up in the story. Cutting it off at the end of season 3 would have probably been frustrating.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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That's awesome news. :D

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009

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BUT THEY WILL
Can someone remind me why they switched sides so quickly? Was it just "Welp, signature forged, poo poo. Don't want to look like a flip flopper, and also all that stuff I did and said in France, so guess we'll have to play this out!" ?

I mean that makes sense to me but I thought maybe I missed part of the conversation.

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010

Inspector 34 posted:

Can someone remind me why they switched sides so quickly? Was it just "Welp, signature forged, poo poo. Don't want to look like a flip flopper, and also all that stuff I did and said in France, so guess we'll have to play this out!" ?

I mean that makes sense to me but I thought maybe I missed part of the conversation.

It was weird to me that just a couple episodes ago, a major plot was laywaying St Germain's wine shipment in order to gently caress up the Prince's war funding efforts, and then the previous episode St Germain was killed without any real impact or fallout from his death on the Prince's efforts being addressed on screen after it being basically the overarching A Story for the whole season so far.

I do guess it makes sense that Jamie would come to the conclusion he just has to ride it out on the Stuart's side now that his name's been forged on that document and he was so public in his support of the Prince over in France, there's really no way he could convince the English he wasn't a traitor to the reigning monarch now. It just feels like there's some scenes missing showing what was up with the Stuart situation, and what Jamie was planning on doing about his own status(he would probably be an even more wanted man at home after everything that went down in France) when he got home.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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The King of France did say (after exacting his payment from Claire) that he would get Jamie released and talk to the English crown about clearing his name back home. So he is free to be in Scotland again, which is why they went home.

I think at this point we know as much as Jamie and Claire know about Prince Stuart arriving in Scotland. They just received the letter and he was told to get the Old Fox's men to help the cause. Because his name is forged onto it (making him a traitor to the existing English king) and since it's too late to stop the uprising, Jamie decides to try to do all he can to make it succeed and try to change history that way.

Norse Code
Mar 10, 2007

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Crusty Nutsack posted:

Outlander just got renewed for TWO more seasons, hooray for rabid fan bases!

Really, this is the best news possible, considering what's coming up in the story. Cutting it off at the end of season 3 would have probably been frustrating.

I guess I'll start reading the books so I can know what happens!

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

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Norse Code posted:

I guess I'll start reading the books so I can know what happens!

Go for it. I only started reading them after I saw the first half of the first season. There are some minor differences, but the general storyline is the same.

(After posting about the renewal, I read the book plot summaries on wiki and realized the timeline in my head was different than what actually happened in the books, so my comment about cutting off at the end of season 3 doesn't totally stand anymore lol)

Shannow
Aug 30, 2003

Frumious Bandersnatch
I'm really sad that training montage scene didn't show the full take of Dougal McKenzie wailing on that training dummy because holy poo poo he went mental at it. I don't think anyone even dared shout 'cut!', he just eventually stopped, turned around like 'was that allright?' very politely as everyone around him was about 10 steps back from when he started. I really hope there's a full take of that on the special features when the box sets hit.

Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake
PTSD is real, wow. Clair gets raped how many times in this show so far and she just gets owned by PTSD.

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009

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Don't forget they mocked rape as a form of torture too!

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

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Uziduke posted:

PTSD is real, wow. Clair gets raped how many times in this show so far and she just gets owned by PTSD.

I think it's important to note that she has not actually been raped. Attempted, yes, a few times. That's bad enough in itself, but she hasn't been raped. Jamie, Fergus and Mary Hawthorne on the other hand...

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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But PTSD is real...?

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Crusty Nutsack posted:

I think it's important to note that she has not actually been raped. Attempted, yes, a few times. That's bad enough in itself, but she hasn't been raped. Jamie, Fergus and Mary Hawthorne on the other hand...

You don't need to be actually penetrated to end up with PTSD from being attacked or assaulted.

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

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hollylolly posted:

But PTSD is real...?

Well duh. I didn't say it wasn't. You've read the books, you know that she wasn't raped and that when she actually IS raped it's a. big. deal. because we see a rape from her perspective for once

Tigntink posted:

You don't need to be actually penetrated to end up with PTSD from being attacked or assaulted.

No poo poo. But it's pretty clear that her PTSD is related to the war, not the attempted rapes. Someone said Claire's been raped "how many times" and I was just pointing out that that's not true because I felt it was a little unclear in the show. With as much time has been spent in portraying Jamie's emotional recovery, it would be pretty weird if they just glossed over the fact that Claire was going through the same thing during last season.

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Yes someone suggested it was unrealistic that Claire suffered from PTSD related to the war and NOT because of her many brushes with sexual assault - she's never been raped, and also no two people are the same in how they deal with what has happened to them.

The show has clearly shown rape victims being traumatized by what has happened to them, and now they've shown how war can also traumatize you, even years later. I don't have any issue with how the show has handled these situations.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Crusty Nutsack posted:

Well duh. I didn't say it wasn't. You've read the books, you know that she wasn't raped and that when she actually IS raped it's a. big. deal. because we see a rape from her perspective for once


No poo poo. But it's pretty clear that her PTSD is related to the war, not the attempted rapes. Someone said Claire's been raped "how many times" and I was just pointing out that that's not true because I felt it was a little unclear in the show. With as much time has been spent in portraying Jamie's emotional recovery, it would be pretty weird if they just glossed over the fact that Claire was going through the same thing during last season.

Gotcha. Just misread that initial statement I guess. I shouldn't post 10 minutes after getting out of bed.

Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake
Looks like the show is following history nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9XHOQ5CFnA

The video is a show on the full rebellion.

Shannow
Aug 30, 2003

Frumious Bandersnatch

Uziduke posted:

Looks like the show is following history nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9XHOQ5CFnA

The video is a show on the full rebellion.

One of the other extras was a big history buff/sword restorer (actually brought along Rob Roy mcGregor's actual sword one day because he restored it) and went over the whole Prestonpans battle on the bus as we went to set, he was pretty happy with how they were going about it as well.

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

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That is some game of thrones-level gore right there :getin:

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Mar 10, 2007

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Murtaugh is so loving cool. I love him. This was a really good episode! We got a Fast & Furious horse scene!

Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake
Off with his head!!! Murtaugh facial expressions are one of the best things about the show.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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Murtaugh: best friend, or bestest best friend? :cool:

Thought it was cool that Diana Gabaldon wrote the script for this episode. Only two episodes left in the season, and they've leaked the first pictures of new characters Brianna Randall and Roger Wakefield, who are appearing in the finale.

Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake
I think it would be great is they did the Original Skye boat song for the season finally. Since what we have seen so far they fail at changing much of real history.



[Chorus:] Speed, bonnie boat, like a bird on the wing,
Onward! the sailors cry;
Carry the lad that's born to be King
Over the sea to Skye.

Loud the winds howl, loud the waves roar,
Thunderclouds rend the air;
Baffled, our foes stand by the shore,
Follow they will not dare.

[Chorus]

Though the waves leap, soft shall ye sleep,
Ocean's a royal bed.
Rocked in the deep, Flora will keep
Watch by your weary head.

[Chorus]

Many's the lad fought on that day,
Well the Claymore could wield,
When the night came, silently lay
Dead on Culloden's field.

[Chorus]

Burned are their homes, exile and death
Scatter the loyal men;
Yet ere the sword cool in the sheath
Charlie will come again.

Uziduke fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Jun 28, 2016

Norse Code
Mar 10, 2007

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I'm sad that AV Club are discontinuing their weekly reviews, I liked reading about it the day after. :(

Uziduke
Jul 2, 2015

A storm over Europe unleashed
Dawn of war a trail of destruction
The power of Rome won't prevail
See the Catholics shiver and shake
50 year old Claire is hot, I would still tap that.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

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Loved the finale - the only thing I didn't like is that I have to wait approximately a year for season three. :argh: They did the flashbacks/forwards? really great, and the return of Gellis was perfect. Some small liberties with the book, of course, but over all just really well done.

The part with Dougal when Claire has to lend her weight to help Jamie... :cry:

ShakeZula
Jun 17, 2003

Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

That finale was excellent. I was a little wary at first of her going back again, but them trying to pick up their life together again after 20 years (and a now-grown daughter) apart could make for some interesting television.

Well done, Outlander. You continue to impress me.

Edit: Also, lol at the fact that the timeline is apparently just deadset on the Jacobites losing, to the point where the intervention of two different time travelers has no effect.

ShakeZula fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Jul 10, 2016

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

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I sure hope Brianna's actress grows into the role a bit, I can't tell if she's just a bad actress or if they gave her terrible lines. Roger, on the other hand, I'm fully on board with. His expressions during the awkward moments were amazing.

Riptor
Apr 13, 2003

here's to feelin' good all the time

Crusty Nutsack posted:

I sure hope Brianna's actress grows into the role a bit, I can't tell if she's just a bad actress or if they gave her terrible lines. Roger, on the other hand, I'm fully on board with. His expressions during the awkward moments were amazing.

She's also English, not American, and even though her accent is very very good there's the odd mispronunciation or slipped vowel here or there that kind of just enweirdens her performance. I definitely heard her say "an-uh-thing" a few times instead of "anything"

ShakeZula
Jun 17, 2003

Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

Riptor posted:

She's also English, not American, and even though her accent is very very good there's the odd mispronunciation or slipped vowel here or there that kind of just enweirdens her performance. I definitely heard her say "an-uh-thing" a few times instead of "anything"

Yeah, "anything" seems to be a true test for British or Australian people putting on American accents.

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

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Riptor posted:

She's also English, not American, and even though her accent is very very good there's the odd mispronunciation or slipped vowel here or there that kind of just enweirdens her performance. I definitely heard her say "an-uh-thing" a few times instead of "anything"

I don't tend to get too caught up with accent stuff, but if she's not totally comfortable with the American accent yet it could be why her acting was flat.

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004

Crusty Nutsack posted:

I don't tend to get too caught up with accent stuff, but if she's not totally comfortable with the American accent yet it could be why her acting was flat.

Eh, I can handwave it away because while the character grew up in America, both her parental figures were English, so she'd naturally have some sort of accent mish mash.

Love Crime
Apr 4, 2016
I'm finishing last episode of season 1 now so can't read the thread but holy gently caress this is getting stupid. It's like somebody managed to write even worse Twilight fanfic torture porn.

Guy tries to rape you, gets knocked out, leave him alive.

Guy tries to rape you again, gets knocked out, leave him alive.

Guy finally succeeds in raping you, gets knocked out, is left alive.

:psyduck:

Love Crime fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jul 13, 2016

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Love Crime posted:

I'm finishing last episode of season 1 now so can't read the thread but holy gently caress this is getting stupid. It's like somebody managed to write even worse Twilight fanfic torture porn.

Guy tries to rape you, gets knocked out, leave him alive.

Guy tries to rape you again, gets knocked out, leave him alive.

Guy finally succeeds in raping you, gets knocked out, is left alive.

:psyduck:

To be fair, it's pretty clear they all think Randall is dead at the end of Season 1.

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