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Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

enraged_camel posted:

People are remembered for their actions and contributions (positive or negative), not their intellect, money, charisma or even "power level". And we don't know how Firestorm and Ray would have acted moving forward, or what would have happened to them, had Rip not convinced them to go on the journey.

Adding to this point: Rip is a liar. Maybe none of these characters achieve anything significant, or maybe they end up doing *very* significant things that Rip has decided are bad or counterproductive. He's already decided to intentionally change time, so he might as well go for bust.

Maybe Ray creates more and more world-changing technology, but it somehow helps facilitate Vandal's rise to power. Maybe Firestorm has an illustrious superhero career, but ends up detonating and taking the city of Pittsburgh with them. The only person who said they do nothing is the same one who said they were Legends.

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Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Soylent Pudding posted:

We don't know how long the resurrection cycle takes. It's possible that they didn't reincarnate again during his lifetime.

Also, you don't know if they find each other or recall their memories every time they *do* resurrect. Maybe when 1925 Cheyara resurrected, she got polio at age 10 and died. And 1925 Kufu never found her and wound up dying at the Battle of Midway.

Do we know if Kufu always recalls his past memories, or just sometimes? It sounds like Kendra could've gone her entire natural life and never remembered any of it, had Carter not shown up.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Binary Logic posted:

:master: Legends could have Sara and the team meeting John Constantine in the 80s in England. Oh the possibilities..

Though, Matt Ryan is in his thirties. In 2016. The main possibility is that DCTV Constantine is between the ages of 1 and 9 in the 1980's.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Sober posted:

Forever had a better immortal villain. And this is a show on ABC that got canceled after 22 episodes.

Hey, if Legends could've swung Burn Gorman as the villain...well, they didn't. But he's a real commodity.

(I liked New Amsterdam more than Forever in every way except that one. Burn Gorman is the best.)

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

WarLocke posted:

:agreed:

Forever's antagonist was believably scary, because they managed to communicate the idea that Adam had been around for thousands of years and was incredibly dangerous - not because he was immortal or because he had powers or anything, but rather because anybody with the sheer amount of time and life experience that he had has seen anything you can come up with and probably more besides, and is always 12 steps ahead of you.

Also, on a more philosophical level, he was scary because he showed what happens to a person when they have no fear of death. After thousands of years of life, all empathy or sense of moral purpose had rotted away, and all that was left of him was a sociopath who saw in humanity its worst and most corrupt qualities. The discourse between Henry (a humanist) and Adam (an absolute nihilist) was the best part of the show, by far.

But it's hard to have the villain express a complex personal ethos on a pulp superhero show starring Dr. Who and the Discount Avengers. I just wish Vandal Savage was a more entertaining kind of ridiculous than he is. If we're sticking to Burn Gorman roles, I want Karl Tanner, the fuhkin' legend of Gin Alley.

"Watch me drink wine out of the skull of Carter Hall." Embrace straight-up cartoonish villainy, but in a Conan kind of way.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

greatn posted:

Another thing they could have done. Go back to a few minutes after they dusted Savage the first time and get the ashes, fire them into space.

Or have Firestorm literally grab him and fly him out of the atmosphere. At any point where they confront him. See what happens when they exceed escape velocity and propel him into space.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Narcissus1916 posted:

Man alive is the guy playing Savage miscast. I can't even blame him, he's just totally wrong for the part.

Should've cast Wallace Shawn. :colbert:

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

computer parts posted:

Also, how many episodes until we get a future/past Hawkman to replace the dead one?

Only if it's 1860's Hawkman and he's super racist. With mutton chops and a serious, inappropriate bias against Jax.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

BrianWilly posted:

The plot of this show is the objectively worst thing about it.

Carter embodies this more than Savage, because he is all plot and zero characterization. He exists to remind us of Savage, and to provide exposition.

Even Savage is characterized. To the extent that "Eurotrash extra from Taken" is characterization. He has subjective emotions, if you count being smug and yelling sometimes. Carter is pretty much a statue who does plot.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

I kind of irrationally disliked the actor for Vixen. So casting someone else as a similar character sounds fine to me. Now, if only they take this chance to make the effects less godawful.

Doesn't fix the bigger issue: Rip Hunter is still here. The Hawkpeople flew off, and good loving riddance. But also, gently caress Rip. He's terrible.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

8one6 posted:

Who is the guy under heatwave?

Ken, Martin Stein's financial planner. He has a significant arc in this season.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Yeah, this show is trash and it is endearing as hell when it realizes this.

Sara Lance: Time Bisexual is more accurate, but "Time Lesbian" really rolls off the tongue.

:heysexy:

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Medullah posted:

Next week we'll find out that every time Martin and Jax form Firestorm, it takes 1 year off Jax's life so that's why they can't do it.

Both Firestorm and Atom are OP as gently caress, to be honest. The show's had to make them willfully stupid or artificially weak to maintain any kind of stakes.

Especially Firestorm. He's a human-shaped nuclear inferno who apparently exists in some quantum physical superstate, and may or may not have Dr. Manhattan-esque abilities to transform atoms or harness nuclear energy to horrifying effect. Somehow guns or bows and arrows can hurt him, though.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

WhyteRyce posted:

Every season should have Mick going native at least once. Vikings will be this season.

He'd probably be into being a Viking, sure. Killing stuff, drinking mead, banging tall Scandinavian ladies. Seems like his kind of jam.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

MiddleOne posted:

The problem with speedsters as a concept is that there's really no way to make anyone able to fight them straight up if they're acting competently. If RF actually fought the team then without having some major contrivance in place the team would simply die. It'd be like a grown man fighting a baby, one party can't do anything. This is also why almost everything in the Flash revolves around Barry Allen being the most incompetent serial killer in human history.

Yeah, the premise of a speedster who takes full advantage of their powers is fairly terrifying. There were glimpses of that in Flash S1, when Reverse Flash would massacre a ton of people.

Definitely, the number of times Barry stops to have a jaunty conversation with an evil meta and then gets dropped on is staggering. If Barry Allen had the disposition of Frank Castle, he'd be a nightmare creature.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Yer Burnt posted:

This show needs to stay on long enough to get to the episode where a time and inter-dimentional aberration is caused by the huge success of the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern movie.

An episode where Superman Returns was a huge success that built out a franchise. The episode ends with Brandon Routh crying hysterically and punching Victor Garber, but none of that is in the script.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

MiddleOne posted:

She's got to have killed millions on STD's alone at this point.

Lesbian women typically have a low incidence of STI transmission vs. actively straight or bisexual women. Sara's had past relationships with men, but the likelihood of infecting new partners drops precipitously when you've died and been resurrected by ancient magic, or have access to a 31st-century time machine with an AI-controlled med bay.

:science:

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

hangedman1984 posted:

Well that, or you end up with magicherpes or the cyberclap.

Electro-Gonorrhea: The Noisy Killer

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

nooneofconsequence posted:

Nothing was worse than the Hawk people.

Vandal Savage was worse than the Hawk people. Season 1 had many, many reasons to be unhappy.

What's the over-under on Rip building a fuckable avatar of Gideon to accompany them on adventures? Like an LMD except whatever version of that DC has.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Rhyno posted:

Maybe Rip can use the Spear of Destiny to give Gideon a flesh and blood body?

I hope this happens.

"Gods of reality, I beseech thee! Bring forth the primordial tempests of creation! Usher from the impermanence of thought and word, a tight fuckable body for my spaceship, so that I might get up in those guts on the reg."

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Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.


Agents of SHIELD. Don't read if you're ever going to watch: The plot this last season involved a complex AI and an elaborate virtual construct that several characters were imprisoned within.

John Hannah's character built the construct and developed the AI with more or less altruistic intentions, but lost control of both. By the end, his physical body had died and his consciousness existed only within the construct. When it began shutting down, all he could do was wait for death. Which in that context looked like blinking out of existence.


It was actually pretty poignant, AoS has gotten pretty good.

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