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It makes sense from an evolution of mythology perspective. Fire is basically magic to primitive humans, so it makes sense that their mythology would explain its origins as supernatural/divine.
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Fire is kind of the first step to technology, which would allow mankind to grow to a point where we could be possibly overthrow gods.
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He's all about free will but he has his own sense of morality. You can do whatever you want but you better be prepared to accept the consequences. He's not quite a true amoral facilitator but he's pretty drat close.
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Snak posted:It makes sense from an evolution of mythology perspective. Fire is basically magic to primitive humans, so it makes sense that their mythology would explain its origins as supernatural/divine. Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Fire is kind of the first step to technology, which would allow mankind to grow to a point where we could be possibly overthrow gods. Absolutely, but do any of the mythologies have man come by it "honestly" via approved gifting from the pantheon?
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Apr 23, 2016 02:35
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Gyges posted:Absolutely, but do any of the mythologies have man come by it "honestly" via approved gifting from the pantheon? Not that I know of. A cursory Google search turns up nothing. Religions from every continent contain a "theft of fire" myth. There probably is one somewhere, but, it's certainly not any mainstream major mythology.
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Looks like ol' Ben Franklin was wrong then. Beer is not proof that god loves us an wants us to be happy. That rear end in a top hat didn't even want us to have beer in the first place.
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Snak posted:In the book of Enoch I've always wanted to use this correctly in a comic thread: NOT CANON.
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Boogaleeboo posted:I've always wanted to use this correctly in a comic thread: But really, 99% of the mythology about Lucifer and the fall is also not canon, so...
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Snak posted:Haha. Still more canon than any depiction of Hell itself since the year 5 C.E.
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There's a reason that I have specifically referred to mythology in this thread, since I'm not talking about the beliefs of any denomination. There is no existing canon to which this show adheres, so any and all mythology is fair game for inspiration. But seriously, they need to introduce another angel soon. It feels like the heavenly host doesn't really give much of a poo poo that Lucifer has left hell with a demon and they are messing around on earth. Amenadiel is the only who seems to care, and it kind of seems like the only reason he cares is because he is supposed to be doing Lucifer's job in hell, which he is also shirking. But it is kind of funny that Amenadiel, some lesser angel that no one has ever heard of, is the only one who gives a poo poo about Lucifer misbehaving.
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Snak posted:But it is kind of funny that Amenadiel, some lesser angel that no one has ever heard of, is the only one who gives a poo poo about Lucifer misbehaving. I think part of it is that Amenadiel is running Hell right now so the system as a whole is undisturbed. Like maybe God told him "yeah if you can get Lucifer back that'd be cool, but otherwise you're on pain duty". If you get a situation where Hell starts spilling out in the real world, then you'll see a larger response.
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Snak posted:But it is kind of funny that Amenadiel, some lesser angel that no one has ever heard of, is the only one who gives a poo poo about Lucifer misbehaving. While there isn't yet enough to really go on in the show, it seems like the angels are a real do what they're told bunch. Amenadiel was ordered to go key an eye on hell and try and get Lucifer back in it. So Gabriel doesn't really care because he's got his own thing god told him to do. Now if Gabriel's task is made complicated by Lucifer not being in hell, then he'll probably want to say something. It's probably going to come down to how god runs heaven in this imagining. If he's an absentee deity or if he's still there giving orders that only he understands.
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computer parts posted:I think part of it is that Amenadiel is running Hell right now so the system as a whole is undisturbed. Like maybe God told him "yeah if you can get Lucifer back that'd be cool, but otherwise you're on pain duty". It just seems like Amenadiel isn't actually keeping an eye on hell, either. He seems to be living on Earth under the pretense of being there to get Lucifer to come back to hell. Which is pretty funny to me. I mean I dig it, it just feels a little lopsided that we have Lucifer and Mazikeen repping the rebellion and Amenadiel by himself being generally ineffectual. Seeing another angel chewing out Amenadiel for failing or something would flesh things out a bit.
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It's Trixie. Calling it. You guys can quote me when I'm right in season 4.
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:It's Trixie. Calling it. You guys can quote me when I'm right in season 4. Spoiler: she is literally the Anti-Christ, the result of a one-night-stand Luci had with some rando chick (probably named Mary or Maria or suchlike) on his first night on Earth. Her mom died when she was born and Chloe Decker adopted her. This would also explain why she resembles neither of her 'parents', but does look a little like Lucifer.
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What if being the "Devil" has to be consensual?  Like, without the angel's, or whomsoever's, consent you can not reign in Hell? Maybe being the "Dark lord" of the underworld is a choice and not a punishment? Maybe that's the message here?
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Lucifer probably had to sign one of those Scientology SeaOrg contracts that lasts a billion years.
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Shooting Blanks posted:The Magicians, it's a better show anyway. 
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Boo This Man posted:I hope that Neil Gaimon is brought in to help write and give the show direction. I would want to see Constatine and the Endless introduced. Medullah posted:Please no. They decided to ignore the source material and somehow made a good product. Trying to incorporate the source material back in will lead to disaster.
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Gyges posted:I wonder, are the ruling deities in all the pantheons such absolute cocks about fire? Humans getting fire seems to fairly frequently be the result of someone disobeying the divine order.
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Snak posted:. It feels like the heavenly host doesn't really give much of a poo poo that Lucifer has left hell with a demon and they are messing around on earth. Amenadiel is the only who seems to care, and it kind of seems like the only reason he cares is because he is supposed to be doing Lucifer's job in hell, which he is also shirking. It's all part of God's plan. He works in mysterious ways. 
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I'm sure Lucifer will get out of this one with no trouble.
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"You were about to make a sexual joke about putting me in a position, weren't you?"
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I'm really enjoying both of these teamups.
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This is a very fun finale, if nothing else. Amanadiel and Lucifer just bro'ing it up while Decker and Maze galpal a little is hilarious.
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That was a great finale. Definitely looking forward to next season.
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GUESSES TIME! Who's their 'mom'?
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Mum = Lilith right? Not really his mother but can't think of anyone else
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Here I was thinking that we're right back in comics territory with the "Lucifer does a job for God" thing, but "mom" is a giant swerve back away. My initial reactionary thought was Lilith, but that doesn't make sense for any number of reasons. At least one of which doesn't have to do with the comics, even.
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Thoroughly enjoy the whole thing....my reaction to the final part. Mum.  BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAH!  Can't wait for next season.
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VendaGoat posted:Thoroughly enjoy the whole thing....my reaction to the final part. Ditto for us, laughing out loud. So good. Can't wait to see who/what mom is! Such a fun show.
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Well THAT's new. Never heard of a "Mom" before. Geez, what did SHE do?!
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Well THAT's new. Never heard of a "Mom" before. Geez, what did SHE do?! got scorned
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Harry posted:Mum = Lilith right? Not really his mother but can't think of anyone else That was my immediate assumption. In the proper mythology Lilith would be the closest figure to a mother I could think of, but even then not really.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Well THAT's new. Never heard of a "Mom" before. Geez, what did SHE do?! Did the Sex and enjoyed it. also wasn't married while so doing.
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It has to be Lilith. She's the mother of all demons, right?
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It... well, sort of but the problem is that mythological Lilith was the mother of all demons with Cain. She was the first wife of Adam who wasn't subservient enough and got banned from Eden for being all uppity. That puts her way past the timeline of when angels were first made. drat I hope that the whole brother team up bit goes on for a while. These guys have some great chemistry together.
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VendaGoat posted:Thoroughly enjoy the whole thing....my reaction to the final part. Identical reaction. I was expecting him to say "Everyone." or something like that, because he didn't see anyone else when he was in Hell. I have absolutely no idea where they are going with this, but it should still be entertaining. This is a bad show, but that is ok.
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Titan posted:It has to be Lilith. She's the mother of all demons, right? Yes, but Satan isn't a demon. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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