Lucifer: Saved, Hail Satan

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Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Lucifer is a supernatural black comedy that airs Mondays at 8 p.m. on FOX. The premise of the show may sound like network tripe--the Devil has decided to retire as keeper of the underworld and leave Hell for Los Angeles--but the pilot was entertaining and the leads are quite charming.

There also appears to be a overarching plot involving the ramifications of the Devil leaving Hell, namely what the residents of Hell might do. But this is basically a show for former viewers of Castle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4bF_quwNtw

_{Yes, I got autobanned trying to making this thread by using the HOT thread tag.}

# ¿ Jan 26, 2016 08:16

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 16:23

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Being upset at a TV show simply for existing isn't reasonable.

Being upset that a lovely TV show is incredibly successful is reasonable. (which this isn't)

Being upset that a show based on your beloved comic isn't a faithful adaptation is only reasonable if the comic would have otherwise been faithfully adapted, which is not the case here.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2016 08:42

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Sober posted:

Glad there are a few people in here who liked Forever.

Which was also a cop show helmed by someone who was somewhat supernatural-esque and stuff. And the pilot was fairly rote but the lead carried it with their performance. And then the writing caught up and it got fairly good balancing everything while still being a cop show. Being a cop show really is only an insult if all you're gonna do with it is be a boring procedural with nothing fun or interesting to offer. At least with the Lucifer pilot Tom Ellis oozes charisma. That's worth coming back to IMO to see where they take it.

I really liked Forever's pilot, but episode 2 failed to continue with the mystery mentioned at the end of the pilot and they failed to do the Warehouse 13 thing of using relics and antiques in their cases, so I bailed an episode or two after his nemesis arrived.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2016 15:30

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Iron Crowned posted:

Yeah, I just watched the pilot yesterday and I really liked it.

Pilots to me are weird, I've liked plenty of pilots and can't stand a show by episode 3, see: Revolution.

Yeah, I got off the Revolution bandwagon REAL fast.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2016 00:16

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Wade Wilson posted:

At least Sleepy Hollow had the Headless Horseman running around with machineguns and swords tearing poo poo up to keep it entertaining.

The novelty of that is greatly overstated. The first season ran out of gas and the second was pretty much unwatchable.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2016 00:17

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Boogaleeboo posted:

Literally the sales pitch of every single one of these shows.

I liked Forever, I really liked Castle, and I loved House.

If I bothered to watch Elementary, I would probably watch it too.

Does that make me or the networks the problem?

# ¿ Feb 2, 2016 20:10

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

I kinda dig the empathy though. He could give a sweet gently caress all about humanity in general, but the people he's met and likes/interests him? Do not gently caress with them.

I'm thinking he sees the whole police involvement thing as a way to punish people (which he hasn't gotten to do since he left hell), and a way to punish sinners that might have escaped his punishment after death since apparently people in hell aren't being let in or tortured or whatever.

It's a win/win for him. He's not bored, he gets to still ~sort~ of do his job/calling, and he gets to irritate the poo poo out of black angel guy who's name I can't recall at the moment.

Why should the Devil be a one-dimensional lord of evil? Imagine if you were a banished angel.

# ¿ Feb 2, 2016 20:17

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Wolpertinger posted:

I wasn't meaning that he should be a one dimensional lord of evil but just more detached and amoral. It just struck me how weirdly genuinely emotional he apparently was with a random druggie pop star he made a deal with a few years ago even before she died. After being the lord of hell for an eternity you'd think he'd not be so quick to get emotional about random humans.

I always assumed that he'd been out of the Hell game for a while by the time of the pilot.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 05:28

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

imperialparadox posted:

I like this show so far, but I've never read the comic so I don't have any "they're doing it wrong" complaints to influence my opinion.

The guy playing Lucifer is pretty damned charismatic - he's actually likeable - though I do hope that they show him trying to do more hosed up things like setting up the duel at the end of the last episode, because he is the Devil after all.

On the other hand, I'm guessing he's not so much Always Evil Douchebag Devil and more of the Do What You Want, Consequences be Damned Devil.

Chaotic Neutral, as it were?

# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 17:00

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Astrofig posted:

Is...is that actually a thing? I assumed the writers made it up....

Are you 16 and/or Mormon? It's as notable as donkey punch and Cleveland Steamer, IMO.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 17:01

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

wormil posted:

It would be nice if, "I am the devil -- for reals!!" was something other than the vision of a bloody face. Why does the devil need to be ugly? I'm guessing that later maybe they show him to be less ugly. But a glimpse of punishment to come (or implied, but this show has no subtlety) would be better. My teen daughter likes it, my wife thinks it's poo poo, I'm still on the fence.

Who says that's his real face? It's just a scary face.

# ¿ Feb 4, 2016 09:47

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Shooting Blanks posted:

This is probably a very stupid question, but why would a network do this?

Literally 3 posts up:

Random Stranger posted:

The serious answer is that they probably think that episodes 3 - 9 are kind of weak and wanted to try putting a stronger episode up front to avoid viewer drop off. Not that those episodes will actually be weak, of course, but that's why they'd do it.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2016 11:18

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

muscles like this? posted:

A funny thing about the comic and him having sex is that they show he doesn't actually have a dick.

There's more to sex than penetration. :colbert:

# ¿ Feb 14, 2016 23:52

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

WarLocke posted:

Everything about Decker being an ex-soft core porn actress is incredibly juvenile, but I still can't stop snickering when it comes up.

"Have we met before? I feel like I've seen your tits..."

It was softcore porn as much as American Pie was. :rolleyes:

# ¿ Feb 17, 2016 04:17

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Goons are so bad at watching TV. Chloe was clearly reacting to Amenadiel being a sexy motherfucker, not because he was enchanting her.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2016 06:20

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

evilmiera posted:

Sure, but in less than a week, to a very odd and specific size?

Edit: The only kind of item I can figure them putting in a case shaped like that is a large unfurled scroll of some type, though I think it would be tilted in that scenario to have something for the scroll to rest on and be easier to read.

This is literally the most ridiculous criticism I've ever seen in TV IV.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2016 18:12

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Shooting Blanks posted:

The Magicians, it's a better show anyway.

I watch both and have to agree with this statement.

# ¿ Apr 6, 2016 08:53

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 16:23

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

Binary Logic posted:

Okay I'm only going to explain this once more, and then restrict my comments to enjoyment of the series and storylines.

In this episode, the philanthropist's wife publicly 'confessed' . But she had not been read her rights so the confession would not be admissible in court. She would need to be arrested, offered a lawyer, statement taken, Decker would have to gather evidence, get witness statements, wait for the coroner's report, type up all the notes, etc etc. She'd work on this case for weeks.
However tomorrow (ie next episode) this will all be forgotten and Chloe will be assigned a new homicide case. Because Lucifer. Or because "police procedural". This 'murderer of the week' angle is the weakest, or thinnest, part of the show for me.

You're awfully righteous for being completely wrong, on both the law and the idea of a case spread across multiple episodes.

# ¿ Apr 13, 2016 03:50

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