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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!


Furism posted:

Not a big fan of the Avatar Project thing. I hate time limits and that's apparently what it is. I realize it was possible to delay a little bit too much in XCOM1, just rack in XP to get the best possible squad for the Temple Ship, but that was also kind of cool. We'll see how it turns out, but having to beat the alien clock doesn't super fun to me.

I'm sure there will be mods to take it out.

I'm also sure it would utterly break the game. I mean it's basically the standard roguelike mechanic of a hunger timer or Spelunky's ghost. It's the necessary pressure to make decisions in the game dangerous and meaningful.

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Furism
Feb 21, 2006

Live long and headbang


Yes I realize that adding that stress condition is actually a pretty good game design, it just tends to... stress me too much My problem, really.

I hope there's not too much randomness around this and losing a game will mean that, ultimately, you made bad choices instead of just having bad luck.

, I know.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012

The level of betrayal I felt when Paradox announced their new DLC tore something from me that I'll never be able to recover. They tore away my ability to respect anything, and they tore away my ability to feel human.

Has it been confirmed there's Avatar progress not tied to onmap bases you can reset by attacking?

Even if not, I don't see why it's worse than EU's doomclock. Did that bother you too?

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.


Hype level: Through the roof and rising

Like, as much as I really like Xenonauts and made the thread for it and all, if there was a Xenonauts 2 announcement now I'd be like "prfft whatever"

This is gonna be a long loving week

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."


Furism posted:

Yes I realize that adding that stress condition is actually a pretty good game design, it just tends to... stress me too much My problem, really.

I hope there's not too much randomness around this and losing a game will mean that, ultimately, you made bad choices instead of just having bad luck.

, I know.

TBH, this was pretty much the main difference between the original XCOM: EU's singleplayer and its multiplayer. In the case of the first, like you said, the stress conditions on 'time available' were laughable most of the times, whereas with the case of the second time is ultra-critical, especially considering every move had a chance of lag-glitching ect. So whereas in singleplayer, you could take all the time you liked, in multiplayer you absolutely had to think moves ahead on the enemy turn as to what you were going to do to give you the best chances and best approach possible, and then not waste time and just do it. It really did start to feel like timed chess and the more moves you could see ahead as fast as you could, the better your odds were to make the best decisions possible.

So yea, I can definitely see where you're coming from and don't blame you one bit for hoping for a mod to remove that factor from the singleplayer. For me, tho, it's exactly what made me really love the original's multiplayer, no matter how buggy and unbalanced it may have been, and why I'm legit curious to see, if XCOM 2's initial multiplayer people won't actually be a bit more capable of adapting to it, precisely because they will have already (at least to some degree) trained for that stress condition, as you put it, within their first singleplayer campaign.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013


I'm sort of hoping the final mission is in fact a series of consecutive missions, where injured squad members have no time to heal so you have to either play a perfect game or be training a B-Team just in case.

Mainly because I don't want to steamroll the game with a single super-elite squad.

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?


Grimey Drawer

Furism posted:

I hope there's not too much randomness around this and losing a game will mean that, ultimately, you made bad choices instead of just having bad luck.

Judging from what we've seen and what I can extrapolate from it, it's not going to be a case where a few cases of bad luck are going to cost you the game. You can probably even lose a couple of missions and be okay, nevermind losing a few soldiers.

The game is going to hurt between the matters of bad luck and bad decision making and I think the only reason you're going to ever lose the game is due to really poor decision making. XCOM is a series in which you make your own luck.

Joust
Dec 7, 2007

No Ledges.


Apparently the Avatar project is a psi-powered sweater.

TheLastRoboKy
May 2, 2009

Me Grimlock say you grounded!


For some reason my brain only started getting hype for this last week but I want to say I'm glad there's two Australian voices for each gender so I can make XCOM Bogan Force and glass xenos with some measure of variation.

Zomborgon
Feb 19, 2014

I don't even want to see what happens if you gain CHIM outside of a pre-coded system.


The correct way to play EW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yza9myPX2Rk

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


Thyrork posted:

I'm hyped too, but yeah, my expectations remain that this is going to be hilariously buggy at launch.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?


Honestly I just can't wait to stream this, it looks like it'll be a lot of fun.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss


It's kind of weird to think about, but not only do we already know who the final force behind all this is (in a sense), we've already faced off with them. Hell, many of us probably already beat them. Watching the endgame cinematics in XCOM1 is so strange now because you see the Uber Ethereal in its moments of "Ah, our plan was solid, and we were so close!", only to realize we're a week away from plunging into this alternate universe where that rear end in a top hat won. Seeing that confrontation and knowing this is how things could have gone is so bizarre.

Blackfyre
Jul 8, 2012

"I'm too old for this shitposting."


I've gone from 'Oh Cool' to super pumped for this realising it is out in just a week. My other half was more into EU than I was (I still love old X-COM though) but she is struggling to get excited for 2.

She seems to be mainly tripping up on the snake aliens and wondering why an alien looks so much like something from Earth and doesn't get the breasts.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!


Sounds like a PORN WHEN viewing is in order

Koskinator
Nov 4, 2009

MOURNFUL: ALAS,
POOR YORICK


Can Iron Rose's easier LW mods be installed on an existing campaign or would I have to restart? I'm using a release version of LW.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."



Fair enough, though I find this to be the moreso appropriate way for me to reflect, since we'll all say goodbye to the original once XCOM 2 comes out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRuz-Yf70Dk

jfood
Jan 21, 2015


I want to be inside this game so badly

RBA Starblade
Apr 27, 2008

Going Home.


I won't be able to play this the weekend it comes out because I'll be in New York. Please get a bunch of rookies killed in panic reactions for me.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

Could people please stop fighting the avatar war over my avatar. I really appreciate people being nice about it but I'm feeling crappier that people are wasting money because someone is an asshole than I am about the avatar in the first place.


Blackfyre posted:

I've gone from 'Oh Cool' to super pumped for this realising it is out in just a week. My other half was more into EU than I was (I still love old X-COM though) but she is struggling to get excited for 2.

She seems to be mainly tripping up on the snake aliens and wondering why an alien looks so much like something from Earth and doesn't get the breasts.



Well they're an occupying force now so they've engineered the more public face aliens to be a better public face? That's what I'm going with anyway. The Ethereals have always been all about wantonly genetically/cybernetically altering their underlings to suit their purposea

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!


Fun Shoe

when is it out?

Blackfyre
Jul 8, 2012

"I'm too old for this shitposting."


Captain Oblivious posted:

Well they're an occupying force now so they've engineered the more public face aliens to be a better public face? That's what I'm going with anyway. The Ethereals have always been all about wantonly genetically/cybernetically altering their underlings to suit their purposea

Well I like their thinking at least.

Eth 1: "We need our snake people to be more appealing to the general human populus!"
Eth 2: "Shall we give them legs at least and remove the huge cobra heads?"
Eth 1: "Thats a solid idea, anyone else?"
Eth 3: "Tits"
Eth 2: "Really? That seems a b-"
Eth 1: "Tits it is. Next up, the chryssalid. I'm thinking monster dong."

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

~perfect~
battlebrother





Blackfyre posted:

Well I like their thinking at least.

Eth 1: "We need our snake people to be more appealing to the general human populus!"
Eth 2: "Shall we give them legs at least and remove the huge cobra heads?"
Eth 1: "Thats a solid idea, anyone else?"
Eth 3: "Tits"
Eth 2: "Really? That seems a b-"
Eth 1: "Tits it is. Next up, the chryssalid. I'm thinking monster dong."
I'm imagining a bunch of Ethereals in suits at a board meeting doing just this

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

Could people please stop fighting the avatar war over my avatar. I really appreciate people being nice about it but I'm feeling crappier that people are wasting money because someone is an asshole than I am about the avatar in the first place.


TheLastRoboKy posted:

For some reason my brain only started getting hype for this last week but I want to say I'm glad there's two Australian voices for each gender so I can make XCOM Bogan Force and glass xenos with some measure of variation.

Yeah somehow all of development and announcements I"ve been very "meh whatever" but then all of a sudden this week my anticipation exploded.

I think our brains are starting react to games over-promising things long before they're done and then delaying to infinity. This one... its actually real now!

TASTE THE PAIN!!
May 18, 2004

What if Peyton Manning
were black?


On time limits: I'll take XCOM's version over a sidescrolling wall of lava

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT BEING A NEO-LIBERAL DEATH CULT APOLOGIST!


Koskinator posted:

Can Iron Rose's easier LW mods be installed on an existing campaign or would I have to restart? I'm using a release version of LW.

They're all tested and compatible for LW's final release, and can be installed anytime you like. Both the patcherGUI mods and the easier long war DCG. Doesn't have to be before or after a campaign, though changes will of course not be retroactive. Fortunately most of the changes don't need to be retroactive, the only big thing I did that won't transfer is I increased the minimum mobility a soldier could have by 1, but that triggers on recruitment so only new soldiers will benefit.

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012


I can't wait downloading a 45 gig game on my lovely ~500kb/sec internet!


I was able to get civilization 5 gold down in 2 hours so I should be able to play in the evening.

Triangle Shirt Factotum
Dec 21, 2005

I do not believe that civilization will be wiped out in a war fought with the atomic bomb. Perhaps two-thirds of the people of the earth will be killed.

Could be worse. Downloading this game constitutes 1/6th of my data cap for the month.

In other news, gently caress COMCAST.

Thyrork
Apr 21, 2010



WARNING:
Crushes tea, and tea-related rebels.


Slippery Tilde

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

I'm imagining a bunch of Ethereals in suits at a board meeting doing just this

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. XCOM:EW showed us pretty clearly that the Ethereals are loving incompetent and can only just "get by" when it comes to interacting with humanity.

"Oh! Its the volunteer! you're so cool. We've been waiting for you to come help us fix our awful bodies... wait, why are you aiming that sniper rifle at m-..."

So yeah, my new headcanon for the vipers is;

Blackfyre posted:

Eth 1: "Thats a solid idea, anyone else?"
Eth 3: "Tits"

Blackfyre posted:

I've gone from 'Oh Cool' to super pumped for this realising it is out in just a week. My other half was more into EU than I was (I still love old X-COM though) but she is struggling to get excited for 2.

She seems to be mainly tripping up on the snake aliens and wondering why an alien looks so much like something from Earth and doesn't get the breasts.



Hey, the Swoletoid got buff and all that, thats pretty weird too! Honestly, "The Ethereals are incompetent" remains my handwave of choice.

Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008


LordNat posted:

That sounds scary as gently caress. I think I might just play my first game on normal...

That sounds correct finally. They were scary as poo poo in the original games and largely not in the modern game.

Like in early game if I was still in stock weapons and landed/saw a 'lid, I'd immediately button back up and just leave. Good luck brisbane! We're out!

Also secretly hoping they eventually create a analogue of handing a rookie two demo charges one for each hand, arming them then running into a ship to get shot up/kill everything. Ahalu Ackbar mother fuckers.

I may have also used this to breach "Hey rook, hold these and go stand next to that wall."

Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at Jan 29, 2016 around 16:19

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

yahallo


is this gonna be good and should i get the saeson pass thing

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008




Rhymenoserous posted:

That sounds correct finally. They were scary as poo poo in the original games and largely not in the modern game.

Like in early game if I was still in stock weapons and landed/saw a 'lid, I'd immediately button back up and just leave. Good luck brisbane! We're out!

Also secretly hoping they eventually create a analogue of handing a rookie two demo charges one for each hand, arming them then running into a ship to get shot up/kill everything. Ahalu Ackbar mother fuckers.

I may have also used this to breach "Hey rook, hold these and go stand next to that wall."

I did the same with lobstermen and the biodrones in TFTD. Cruise ship and lobstermen? gently caress you game, I don't want to lose 3 rookies trying to close to melee range so I can get the guaranteed kill on one of those aquatic demons. It's probably going to kill 2 people anyways as I close to melee range, I don't need to trigger its reaction fire and lose a 3rd one on top of that. That, and the bastards would lay silent in a random closet somewhere until you found them, then they'd start their reign of blood

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Sure, I guess I maybe would, I suppose, sometimes.


Anyone have the link handy to the long comic posted in the last thread with the two sisters? I liked that headcanon.

Edit: and yes, this game will almost certainly be good, and maybe you should get the season pass. Pre-order at your own risk always, but this game is as close to a guarantee as you're likely to get (Witcher 3 levels of confidence).

orangelex44 fucked around with this message at Jan 29, 2016 around 16:25

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006


Blackfyre posted:

Well I like their thinking at least.

Eth 1: "We need our snake people to be more appealing to the general human populus!"
Eth 2: "Shall we give them legs at least and remove the huge cobra heads?"
Eth 1: "Thats a solid idea, anyone else?"
Eth 3: "Tits"
Eth 2: "Really? That seems a b-"
Eth 1: "Tits it is. Next up, the chryssalid. I'm thinking monster dong."

#3 has a pretty solid grasp on human nature.

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007


LowellDND posted:

I see you havent read the SG-1 XCOM crossover

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/363106...OM-Mirror-Image

Why is this not terrible

LolitaSama
Dec 27, 2011


I just started enemy within and theres a mission called operation final knife with a vip that coughs and doesnt trust my squad. Its absurd. Ive killed like 10 aliens and they keep spawning. Is this mission supposed to be not possible? Theres way too many enemies that keep spawning.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

LolitaSama posted:

I just started enemy within and theres a mission called operation final knife with a vip that coughs and doesnt trust my squad. Its absurd. Ive killed like 10 aliens and they keep spawning. Is this mission supposed to be not possible? Theres way too many enemies that keep spawning.

They spawn based on mission progress. Instead of rushing forward, take your time and kill them small numbers at a time.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

Could people please stop fighting the avatar war over my avatar. I really appreciate people being nice about it but I'm feeling crappier that people are wasting money because someone is an asshole than I am about the avatar in the first place.


Claverjoe posted:

Could be worse. Downloading this game constitutes 1/6th of my data cap for the month.

In other news, gently caress COMCAST.

I dunno how people live with data caps.

I'd go through that poo poo in like a day.

VoLaTiLe
Oct 21, 2010

He's Behind you

Just been informed I am starting a 4 weeks training course come next monday

Its residential so no xcom 2 for me

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Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!


VoLaTiLe posted:

Just been informed I am starting a 4 weeks training course come next monday

Its residential so no xcom 2 for me

We will be here when you return, friend

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