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MotU posted:then what makes you different than the aliens themselves XCOM2: Enemy Even More Within This Time, We Mean It
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Deuce posted:Got my GMG key, pre-loading now. Same here. Hopefully everything worked out okay, it seems to be in my library. Now all that's left is to wait.
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The Iron Rose posted:I sexually identify as a XFS-105 Raven Interceptor. Shen's Last Gift looking good.
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Serf posted:Pre-load done. Took Friday off, hyped as hell to play this game. I work Friday and will be playing board games and drinking afterwards...but thanks to the magic of an irregular work schedule I have Saturday through Tuesday off, which means I have four uninterrupted days to become all that is XCOM.
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Feb 4, 2016 04:41
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Demiurge4 posted:I'm just gonna fiddle with the character pool for the first hour or so. I love that you can designate certain characters as scientists/engineers only, gonna build myself a science team. First hour? Man, I hardly ever cared about customization in EU/EW but god help me if I don't see myself losing hours to just messing around with XCOM2's soldier dolls.
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Feb 4, 2016 09:24
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Internet Kraken posted:The reason vipers aren't as bad as thin men is because they don't fall out of the sky in ridiculous numbers. Council missions in the second month of impossible are brutal. In the first month you might as well just ignore them because everyone being sent on it is gonna end up as a corpse. As someone who only just got around to playing EU/EW a few months ago, for all the "That's XCOM" I've gotta say that "oh by the way we didn't mention it but sometimes the map will just rain Thin Men out of the loving sky for no reason" is some legit bullshit, not even in a fun challenge sense but just in the sense of a curveball the game throws at you that, at least on your first outing, you have no reason to be prepared for. Challenges are fine, challenges can still be hard but fair, but there's a reason that a lot of good game design is bound up in preparing a player for a challenge and then testing them instead of randomly and arbitrarily kicking the player in the dick.
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Oh for gently caress's sake, it's still not reading as released on my account. I've restarted Steam three times now both from the taskbar and task manager, are you kidding me.
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Feb 5, 2016 06:25
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Xoidanor posted:What's the point of pre-loading if it's going to spend 3 hours unpacking the files. Yeah I don't get this either, I thought that a Steam pre-order would just be, y'know, download the game but Steam doesn't let you play it until the unlock date. I've got it unpacking now, I had to go to the store page for XCOM2 and repeatedly hit the "You own this game, play now" button until Steam finally realized "huh oh yeah it's a half hour past the release date isn't it."
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Feb 5, 2016 06:38
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Just four minutes to go before unlocking is complete, assuming something else doesn't gently caress up along the way. Wish me luck.
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Feb 5, 2016 07:26
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^^^I dunno, I had a near squad wipe during the second tutorial mission, the power core recovery, where I lost everyone but a single rookie who spec'd into Sharpshooter, then the next two missions I had after that I've gotten through with wounded but no casualties. Again though, I'm on Veteran so ymmv.Coolguye posted:Yeah my successful hit rate is running at about half of what it's displaying on average. What difficulty are you on? I'm starting out on Veteran which I don't know if there's behind the scenes RNG fuckery like EU/EW had on Normal to compensate but everything's seemed to be working as expected for me so far...I've had characters whiff on 60-70% shots and make clutch 40%< shots, nothing to the degree of what you're describing.
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Feb 5, 2016 10:30
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and poo poo, but such close range attacks aren't even OG XCOM style. Even if you missed, the bullet trajectory would often hit in OG XCOM regardless of your 'miss'. This is some straight bullshit. I definitely feel like weapons need some close tweaking on close ranges right now. It is absolutely absurd that my rookie could flat miss and do no damage when DIRECTLY NEXT to an ADVENT trooper. Not even OG XCOM did this, so you can't defend this mechanic. If literally any other game pulled this, people would hate on it, for good reason.
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Coolguye posted:You've played those, however, over the course of many years, and had numerous counter examples in between. This is six times in a row without any counter examples in between. This is not the same thing. Well so what's the alternative here if "you've experienced a statistically plausible amount of bad luck" doesn't sit right with you then, that your copy of the game has some kind of hidden RNG malfunction that so far nobody else seems to be experiencing? I'm not denying your frustration but if this really is a bug it doesn't sound like one a lot of other people are running into.
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Feb 5, 2016 11:04
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Illegal Username posted:Game owns, is balls hard. Tactical layer is way harder than XCOM 1, but it feels like failing missions isn't quite so catastrophic in this game. Well that gives you a chance to rescue her, doesn't it?
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Feb 5, 2016 11:25
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Coolguye posted:Biggest difference is that some basic enemies have a lot of health now so it is much more difficult to clear the field in this game vs EU. That generally translates into taking more shots and more damage. I had the same two files need reverification and I still wasn't having the problems you're describing so bite me back? 
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Feb 5, 2016 18:31
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Zore posted:Nah, the Grenadier actually got no-poo poo Lightning Reflexes from EW's Assault tree with triggering all overwatch and automatically dodging one overwatch per turn. I dunno, having the ability to, in a pinch, have a Specialist absolutely positively shoot that one motherfucker sounds pretty handy, even without any riders. It's like a bigger, beefier Combat Protocol, sorta. Also not a bad way to break Overwatch on that one rear end in a top hat you absolutely need to skirt by. Situational, but not wholly useless.
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Feb 7, 2016 09:30
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Okay, so my first go at XCOM2 is being written off, not because it's unsalvagable per se but simply because with the benefit of seeing how things need to go I'm beginning to understand how I could, in theory, be doing better as well as some less than ideal skill picks (since I hear Demolition is maybe bugged or something, oh well). I saved a couple of my better troops to the character pool and started a fresh game on Veteran (where I was last time) and seem to be doing remarkably better so far. I'm still in the tutorial portion but as far as differences go I've yet to have any of my troops get injured in the last four missions whereas my first game kicked off with me losing three of my soldiers in the power converter heist, including Jane Kelly. In this go Jane Kelly has earned the nickname "Monster" for her penchant for chopping sectoids in half with a carefree smile. I went with a sniper Sharpshooter last time which actually worked out okay but this time I'm going with a gunslinger, medic spec'd Specialist and, well, a Grenadier. Only one because so far the game hasn't mandated that I bring fresh rookies along since my guys keep killing the hell out of ADVENT before they have a chance to get a shot off. My last mission was a VIP extraction. We started on the balcony of the second story of a three story building and had to get to the rooftop of a building across the street. First couple of rounds are spent heading into the second story and then climbing an access ladder to the roof. I spook a couple civvies who trigger a nearby ADVENT patrol on the roof...who promptly jump down to ground level. My soldiers take up position along the roof and turn it into a shooting gallery, including an overwatch cannon shot from my Grenadier who somehow spotted a fleeing ADVENT trooper through the geometry and punched a hole through the ceiling to kill him. Doing good so far, we hustle down onto the street and take up position outside the building that the evac point is on. I have a generous turn limit, like 6 or 7 turns left but gently caress it, I'm pretty sure the remaining enemies are in the building so I hatch what I figure is a brilliant plan...I'll use the VIP as bait. I can run him up to the roof with a yellow move, the aliens in the building will see him and come popping out where my soldiers can take them down. I dash the VIP up to the roof where the fog of war parts and it turns out there's a sectoid and an ADVENT troop waiting for him. I have to say that so far my one big complaint with the game is the fog-of-war/LoS seems a lot spottier than it did in the first game. So now my VIP is completely exposed, out of cover, out of actions, and next to two activated aliens. Here's how I salvage the situation. First I have my grenadier use her last grenade to fire up onto the roof targeting the sectoid, being VERY CAREFUL not to blast the extraction point because I have no idea what the gently caress this will do. The sectoid takes the blast then takes even more damage as the roof collapses, but not quite enough to kill it. Nonetheless he no longer has a direct line of fire to the VIP. Then I have my Specialist make the only blue move she can to the roof, which puts her out of cover but gives her a shot at the ADVENT troop and, well, she can maybe survive getting shot once, I don't know if the VIP can...but she guns the trooper down anyway. On the aliens' turn the sectoid panics my Grenadier who runs back and hunkers down, but this gives Jane Kelly the opportunity to drop down the whole I blew in the roof and slice it in two. Aliens dead and panic subsided, it's back to the evac point and time for promotions all 'round. It's early game yet I know, and I know how much poo poo this game loves to throw at you, but so far I'm feeling pretty good about this one.
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I'm not nearly in the right headspace for Ironman shenanigans though I've been allowing myself to be more relaxed about wounds and soldier deaths in this one than I was in EU/EW, the one time I've savescummed so far in this second go was when I was trying to rotate the camera around and instead hit the hotkey for Reload, prematurely ending Jane Kelly's turn instead of shooting someone like I had her set up to do. I don't really consider "hit the wrong button" part of the integral That's XCOM experience so gently caress it, whatever.
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Also the most amusing bug I've had so far is the game giving Jane Kelly a bio for someone named Juan Carlos.
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Mr. Whale posted:It's not that great in this game. Enemies usually just move right away to break suppression and in my experience the reaction fire doesn't have a very high chance of hitting. Tbf Suppression didn't seem super useful in EU/EW whenever I used it, mainly on Sectopods courtesy of SHIVs to try and keep their fire off of my actual soldiers. On the other hand people are saying Demolition might not be working right either so
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Hokay, so my last update was me talking about starting a new game on Veteran and how things seemed to be going better now that I understood the new mechanics and strategic layer better. And it is! Sort of. I cleared my first four missions without so much as a scratch and I knew the other shoe was dropping...and it did. I've still managed to keep anyone from dying outright but I've had enough injuries to get a solid B-team brewing. I have Magnetic Weapons (but no Gauss) and just finished researching psionics and am currently clearing room to build a psi lab. I've even managed to get an Acid Grenade and Dragonbreath rounds from the Proving Ground. This all sounds good. Except...well, except the aliens have decided to stop loving around now. The Avatar Project is like four bars from completion but I have a facility I can hit, plus I haven't even done the Blacksite yet. Nor have I skulljacked an officer which I'd love to do if they would A). stop showing up surrounded by goons I love to grenade and B). holy poo poo how many health bars do they have now? I've encountered all of one MEC so far but gently caress does my game love Mutons. They got introduced on a retaliation mission which I actually aced (got the achievement for less than 3 civvies killed) but it was a near thing as I blew through all three of my Specialist's heals and nearly lost a Ranger if the Faceless that trundled up to her hadn't missed its swing. Sooooooo I'm critically low on intel after plopping down a couple of towers to expand towards that Avatar facility, just finished a Guerrilla Op to snag an Engineer but had to ignore one which cuts the Retaliation timer by 2 weeks and a minor Avatar breakthrough but okay, okay, I've got this. Then a supply raid pops up and all right, I can always use more supplies while I wait to build a psi lab and research plated armor. A ridiculously high-health commander, a shieldbearer, two sectoids, three snakes, a goddamn muton, and who knows what the gently caress else, all with my best gunslinger in the medbay. I figured that was the game's way of telling me I was done for the evening. As much as I would like to cultivate a backup sharpshooter I don't know if that's the mission to be doing it on, I may need to bring a second grenadier instead. edit; also I've been building a Phantom-spec'd Ranger to give it a try and the conclusion I'm coming to is I don't know how to properly utilize a Phantom Ranger. Every time I try to do any sort of advanced flanking or scouting with her I invariably wind up getting spotted and then she's stuck out in an awkward spot. I know everyone here is full of praise for them but I'm just not getting it yet.
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I will say this, I was not expecting Jane Kelly, spec'd for swording, to straight up murder a full health muton with a single mag-shotgun blast to the face, that was a pleasantly brutal surprise.
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Yeah, all that is is a brilliant bit of stunt casting.
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Harrow posted:Either that, or just display their dodge chance in the confirm shot window so that you at least know what your odds are. This wouldn't actually make you feel any better when an Archon with 25% evade rate dodges three shots in a row.
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Feb 18, 2016 23:23
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Internet Kraken posted:There's also the fact that you can use as many explosions as you want as long as the killing blow isn't one and still get the loot. Grenades are mainly good for starting fights and turning ones in your favor by removing armour and cover. You only use them to finish off enemies when you don't have a better option or absolutely need them dead. Perhaps what the aliens need is some sort of midgame unit which provides some form of cover for its compatriots somehow, similar to Alloy SHIVs did in EU/EW. The Shieldbearers kinda sorta do something like this if you squint but I'm thinking something more like a unit which drops forcefield barricades that count as full cover for Advent forces or have it so that troopers can take cover behind Mecs, something like that.
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Harrow posted:Time to resume my old policy of "never even try to hack anything for any reason ever." My Specialist failed a 90% hack and ended up giving all the enemies mobility/defense bonuses. As a result, I spent four loving turns fighting a single Muton Centurion who my soldiers just could not hit. Lost two soldiers to him because nobody could get better than a 75% shot, even right next to him, and kept missing. In practice, I never had better than a 40% shot, because he was always just far enough away that I couldn't flank him without dashing and being unable to shoot. I think my specialist has failed like one hack attempt ever, and I don't even have any of those +20 bonuses. Haywire Protocol is basically stasis for mechanical enemies, it's pretty great.
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Like hacking lampposts and poo poo, fine, you can skip it, but I've found Haywire Protocol invaluable even into the part of the game when Gatekeepers and poo poo start showing up. Even if you can't hijack enemies with regularity my chances to shut a heavy mec down are like 99%, which is a great way to remove a bullet sponge enemy with explosives from the equation while I clean up the rest of the pod and saves stasis for when I really need it. Rolling the dice on taking a sectopod for a ride is just gravy.
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Lotish posted:I think someone said they're the same value as flashbangs, just in the other direction, so about 20. That's how much they did in EU/EW, it's basically the equivalent of low cover if the unit in smoke is otherwise totally exposed. I don't find smoke as useful in XCOM2 as I did in the first game simply because Aid Protocol exists and I pretty much only ever had to pop smoke because I had like one assault with their rear end hanging out after a run & gun anyway, plus Aid Protocol gets better with further level-ups. Nothing like being able to go "okay, I'll give that guy +40 defense and a free overwatch shot," especially if that someone is my own Specialist with Guardian.
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The thing about Dominate on lower level psi-ops is even if you wind up "wasting" it on a Muton or Advent soldier, you still effectively removed one enemy from play in a single stroke plus gained a free bullet catcher.
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Nordick posted:Also, I already harped on about them earlier, but I recommend looking into voice pack mods if you like your soldiers to have more variation. There are plenty of legit good and fitting packs that aren't just silly novelties, and some real good funny ones too if that's your jam. Which ones are those? Legit question, I can find plenty of "here's the voice of X character from some other game/show/anime" so if there's a voicepack equivalent of Capnbubs I'd love to know which it is.
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Nordick posted:Well yeah, packs ripped from other games are what I use. I haven't found a single go-to pack that would have several all-purpose voices though, so I'm afraid there probably isn't a "capnbubs equivalent" one. I just have a whole bunch of individual ones. But just because the voices are from another game doesn't necessarily mean a pack is just a joke or novelty. (Movie/tv show rips are a no-go for me since the quality will be all over the place with background noises and poo poo.) Okay poo poo, I'm gonna have to install that Greyson from Bulletstorm voice, I just wish he had one for Jennifer Hale's character as well.
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