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Lid posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/05/zika-virus-saliva-urine-transmission-kissing That spells ill health for the Olympic Village.
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quote:Zika Outbreak Means It Is Now Time To Cancel Rio Olympics Expect this type of article to become more common, and that was before zika was found in saliva and urine.
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Feb 6, 2016 00:57
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Lid posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/05/zika-virus-saliva-urine-transmission-kissing Jesus. this won't end well. i guess the evangelicals have a new virus to jerk off about.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:06
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This poo poo is just like a winning game of Pandemic. Very few symptoms, late to be discovered by the developed world, transmissable via multiple vectors, and coming to light right before an Olympics for massive multicontinental transmission. Anybody needs me, I'll be in Greenland.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:37
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Feb 6, 2016 01:41
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Jesus. this won't end well. i guess the evangelicals have a new virus to jerk off about. Frankly, there is too much still unknown about Zika for reactionary institutions like WHO to follow the lead of CDC and advise certain travel bans. Does Zika cause any permanent neurological damage? Can Zika infection re-emerge? How long is Zika transmissible after symptom subsidence? What is the likelyhood of different exposures to different viral loads to lead to infection? Is Zika transmissable through any zoonotic reservoirs?
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Feb 6, 2016 01:44
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Madagascar will survive this.
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Feb 6, 2016 02:08
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At what point will we be able to call this the breeder disease? And when is Alex Jones going to start claiming it as a engineered disease by gay scientists?
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Feb 6, 2016 03:05
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Hollismason posted:At what point will we be able to call this the breeder disease? I believe that the "breeder disease" already has a namr, Hollismason: pregnancy. It is an infection with a 9~ month progression.
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Feb 6, 2016 04:18
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Boogaleeboo posted:Do you think their tiny brains are developed enough to feel fear if we slowly tortured them all to death? Mosquitoes are capable of limited forms of learning, so why not. Ghost of Mussolini posted:So just like all of Latin America except for Cuba, coincidentally where the Olympics are being held? Yeah. I'm a woman of childbearing age and I'd hate to live in Brazil right about now. Nonsense posted:Na deformed babies are worse than a fever, sorry the world disagrees. Also actually help US officials if you know so much because this is going to be ebola scare all over again. From a strictly biological perspective, zika is one of the least bad viruses spread by Aedes. Its mortality rate among healthy adults stands at zero. Microcephaly is obviously extremely bad but it's important to keep the following statistics in mind: dengue and yellow fever sicken hundreds of millions of people every year, and kill tens of thousands, and that includes babies. Unless zika evolves into a superbug, it's never going to have the same impact. PT6A posted:I'd also point out that there are vaccines for yellow fever and dengue, whereas there is not for Zika. You can be vaccinated for yellow fever. Multiple dengue vaccines exist in various stages of development, but aren't yet available to the public. You can't be vaccinated against dengue. IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:Physiologically speaking, what are the major differences between the Aedes genus of mosquitos and other mosquito species that make it the primary vector for dengue, zika etc? This is still an open question. It's important to know that dengue, zika, yellow fever, chikungunya, and several other viruses spread by Aedes are all closely related (they're in the same genus, Flavivirus). These viruses employ similar mechanisms to invade mosquitoes and replicate and travel within their bodies. One significant adaptation is their ability to bypass the midgut barrier in Aedes -- they can bind to receptor proteins in the mosquito midgut epithelium, establish themselves within the cells, and eventually make their way to the salivary glands. It's possible to genetically engineer Aedes mosquitoes that lack these specific binding sites in the midgut, and this results in lowered susceptibility to viral infection. There are some other quirks that aren't all unique to Aedes but help explain why it's such a significant human disease vector. Aedes has been feeding on primates and humans for a very long time, giving viruses ample opportunity to jump from animals to people and back again, evolving past our immunological defenses. Some Aedes species can pass viruses down to their offspring (via "vertical" transmission), helping diseases persist even in the absence of human reservoirs. Also, Aedes mosquitoes are primarily tropical, and flaviviruses replicate best in warm conditions. Special note about Aedes aegypti -- it's evolved (pretty recently) to feed primarily on people, and thrives in cities. There's a reason why you hear about this species so much in the news. These mosquitoes breed in drinking and waste water, roam around buildings looking for people to bite, will come out during the day (many other species are nocturnal), and often feed on multiple hosts. Picture a massive swarm of heat-seeking hypodermic needles flying around a city stabbing people more or less at random, and it becomes clear why human-associated mosquitoes are such a menace to public health. Troutful fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Troutful posted:From a strictly biological perspective, zika is one of the least bad viruses spread by Aedes. Its mortality rate among healthy adults stands at zero. Microcephaly is obviously extremely bad but it's important to keep the following statistics in mind: dengue and yellow fever sicken hundreds of millions of people every year, and kill tens of thousands, and that includes babies. Unless zika evolves into a superbug, it's never going to have the same impact. From someone who has worked with children and young adults suffering with Microcephaly, if Microcephaly is confirmed to be possible to unborn infants due to Zika then Zika is significantly worse than even Yellow Fever never mind Dengue. Microcephaly is quite possibly the best side effect you could have on a virus if your intention was to long term overwhelm and destroy a populous, it in effect means at least the child's mother is an unproductive member of society for the next 20 years as caring for a child with Microcephaly is usually a 24/7 occupation. Its this reason why many people are getting very scared by Zika as it has the potential to be devastating long term - IF if does cause Microcephaly, which is still not proven. Yes Zika doesn't kill (reports overnight there may have been some deaths in Brazil with rare neurological conditions caused by the Zika infection, so it might kill but very rarely), but IF it does cause Microcephaly its side effects will cost hundreds times more than even rampant Yellow fever would.
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ukle posted:From someone who has worked with children and young adults suffering with Microcephaly, if Microcephaly is confirmed to be possible to unborn infants due to Zika then Zika is significantly worse than even Yellow Fever never mind Dengue. Microcephaly is quite possibly the best side effect you could have on a virus if your intention was to long term overwhelm and destroy a populous, it in effect means at least the child's mother is an unproductive member of society for the next 20 years as caring for a child with Microcephaly is usually a 24/7 occupation. Its this reason why many people are getting very scared by Zika as it has the potential to be devastating long term - IF if does cause Microcephaly, which is still not proven. Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely concerned about this disease's impact on women and their children, and I hope it prompts a reexamination of abortion rights and maternal healthcare policies more generally. Telling women not to get pregnant is entirely the wrong way to deal with a condition we can screen for in utero.
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Feb 6, 2016 16:49
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Radbot posted:Considering sexual transmission is a Zika vector, I'd take issue with the assertion that it's not that dangerous if you aren't pregnant. We do not know this yet.
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Feb 6, 2016 18:57
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:We do not know this yet. Men are capable of transmitting Zika during sex, while no cases of female transmission have been recorded.
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Feb 6, 2016 19:00
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Troutful posted:Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely concerned about this disease's impact on women and their children, and I hope it prompts a reexamination of abortion rights and maternal healthcare policies more generally. Telling women not to get pregnant is entirely the wrong way to deal with a condition we can screen for in utero. This only helps if the person is willing to abort, no? My Imaginary GF posted:Men are capable of transmitting Zika during sex, while no cases of female transmission have been recorded. Woops, this story moves super fast, sorry.
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Feb 6, 2016 19:02
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:This only helps if the person is willing to abort, no? I'd recommend: http://reliefweb.int/disaster/ep-2016-000007-hti If you want to stay up on the latest Zika news. Per the last few WHO SitReps, the tl;dr is that there is much about Zika that we have yet to know and more research is required. However, Zika is strongly suspected to cause microcephaly in fetuses and GBS in infected individuals.
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Feb 6, 2016 19:09
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My Imaginary GF posted:GBS in infected individuals. Oh gently caress, It's official, SA has officially jumped from the digital to the organic world. Soon everyone suffering from Zika will start shitposting mercilessly. God help us all. 
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Feb 6, 2016 20:49
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E-Tank posted:Oh gently caress, It's official, SA has officially jumped from the digital to the organic world. Soon everyone suffering from Zika will start shitposting mercilessly. I'm afraid... it's too late... for me....cuck
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Feb 6, 2016 21:06
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My girlfriend and I will be travelling in South America, including Brazil, over the course of the next few months. We have no intention of getting pregnant any time soon, so should we be worried about Zika at all? The impression that I've got is that it isn't particularly worrying unless you are or are planning to get pregnant, so even if we got it and a couple of years down the road decide to have a child then we would be ok, right?
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Feb 6, 2016 22:58
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How are u posted:even if we got it and a couple of years down the road decide to have a child then we would be ok, right?  My greatest concern is that microcephaly is an autoimmune consequence of Zika - not a direct relationship.
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Feb 6, 2016 23:40
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If it starts spreading in the south it's going to be pretty bad and of course it's going to keep spreading.
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Feb 6, 2016 23:51
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How are u posted:My girlfriend and I will be travelling in South America, including Brazil, over the course of the next few months. We have no intention of getting pregnant any time soon, so should we be worried about Zika at all? There is insufficient data at this time to know the potential long-term affects of Zika infection. Hollismason posted:If it starts spreading in the south it's going to be pretty bad and of course it's going to keep spreading. At this time, it is a question of when, not if, autochthonous circulation of Zika is reported in the United States. While Zika virus disease is caused by a virus transmitted by Aedes mosquitoes, other transmission modes are still under investigation. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Feb 6, 2016 23:52
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Is Zika any different than Ebola or Swine Flu or any of the other diseases that had everybody worried only to have nobody care after a few months
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Feb 7, 2016 04:09
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DOOP posted:Is Zika any different than Ebola or Swine Flu or any of the other diseases that had everybody worried only to have nobody care after a few months Do you really think the danger and toll major epidemics cause is accurately reflected in the media today?
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Feb 7, 2016 09:40
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Lid posted:Expect this type of article to become more common, and that was before zika was found in saliva and urine. They may write articles but i think nothing will come of it. The IOC will never put people's general wellbeing over their prime directive: making lots of money. Brazil has spent a ton of money on the olympics and they simply cannot afford to let their investment go to waste. A change of venue just a few months before the olympics start is impossible so the olympics would be cancelled, not moved. That means a whole generation of athletes will not get to compete in a competition they have been working towards for 4+ years. Rio 2016 will go ahead as planned.
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Feb 7, 2016 17:43
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NihilismNow posted:That means a whole generation of athletes will not get to compete in a competition they have been working towards for 4+ years. So what? If it's just gonna lead to a huge bunch of people getting infected and then going back to their countries and spreading it more, screw it, sorry guys but you'll have to set your shot-put etc. skills to work elsewhere until next time. Like from everything said, the olympic village alone sounds like an absolute catastrophe waiting to happen considering how it can be spread.
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Feb 8, 2016 11:34
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Frankly, there are bigger ongoing health and public safety concerns right now. I'd be more worried about the drug situation, mass muggings on the beaches and in the city (arrastões) and general crime levels, the fact that most public hospitals are bankrupt / closed / running with absolutely inadequate supplies and personnel and dreadful infrastructure. Hell, I'd rather catch Zika than row in a water that is basically slightly diluted raw sewage.
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Feb 8, 2016 12:48
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How about none of those things, just none of it? Rio olympics did not sound appealing right out of the gates speaking as someone who has traveled there, Zoka aside.
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Feb 8, 2016 15:04
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In all seriousness, if I wanted to collapse a nation, I'd look at creating expensive, painful burdens the populace would in general try to bear regardless. Stuff of nightmares if research can find a connection and mechanism supporting all this media conjecture.
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Feb 8, 2016 15:13
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Yes it should be cancelled. The risk of worldwide spread of the virus is too great. Does anyone know how well the virus can mutate? Is there a risk it could mutate to become more infectious? Presumably the longer it kicks about in human biology the easier this becomes?
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Feb 8, 2016 15:15
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Yardbomb posted:So what? If it's just gonna lead to a huge bunch of people getting infected and then going back to their countries and spreading it more, screw it, sorry guys but you'll have to set your shot-put etc. skills to work elsewhere until next time. The main point was really that the 2 parties able to cancel it the government of brazil and the IOC have no interest in doing so. Maybe it should be cancelled. But it won't be.
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WMain00 posted:Yes it should be cancelled. The risk of worldwide spread of the virus is too great. I thought I read somewhere that viruses in this family don't tend to mutate quickly, but I can't source that.
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NihilismNow posted:The main point was really that the 2 parties able to cancel it the government of brazil and the IOC have no interest in doing so. If enough countries decided to boycott, that could still force their hand or leave them with a shitshow.
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Sinteres posted:If enough countries decided to boycott, that could still force their hand or leave them with a shitshow. So just the aquatic events?
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WMain00 posted:Yes it should be cancelled. The risk of worldwide spread of the virus is too great. Unfortunately, Chan cares more about the interests of Chinese economic policy than she does authorizing a recommendation for a travel ban on pregnant women traveling to areas with autochthonous transmission of Zika viral disease. You would have thought that the world would have learnt that public health is too important to trust in the hands of a communist political appointee. Unfortunately, this is not so.
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Sinteres posted:If enough countries decided to boycott, that could still force their hand or leave them with a shitshow. Unfortunately, that's a Prisoner's Dilemma since if one big country pulls out (say the US or Russia or whatever), that creates a huge incentive for other nations to stay in since that increases their chances of scooping up medals. The games will not be cancelled, and no one but a very few, small countries will pull out. The Carnival... is on.
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I shall consume...consume everything...
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I wouldn't say things are running exactly smooth here, but either the authorities are handling the current carnaval well (which is a good way to stress test security and health services) or are putting a hell of a kibosh on huge problems. From the look of it, there's no major problems, apart from the usual rapes and drunken beatings to death. Besides, even thought I'd rather see the billions already spent on education, job creation and health instead of a giant corrupt, corporate jingoistic orgy, the deed's basically done so.. I guess it'll be just like the World Cup: a huge cash influx for the ultra rich and hotel chains, good ol' crippling debt burden for the rest, no big deal? And there probably won't be much opposition to it since it's pretty local compared to the Cup and the gubmint did its homework since the the 2013 protests.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Unfortunately, that's a Prisoner's Dilemma since if one big country pulls out (say the US or Russia or whatever), that creates a huge incentive for other nations to stay in since that increases their chances of scooping up medals. The games will not be cancelled, and no one but a very few, small countries will pull out. On the other hand, countries that could host the olympic games on short notice have a huge incentive to threaten to boycott, since that would mean landing the olympic games with relatively little investment. And not to downplay the zika epidemic, but a lot of the fear for the olympics is overblown. The key areas of infection are in northeast Brazil. Latest numbers I saw were that there were two confirmed and 196 possible cases of Zika related microcephaly in the entire state of Rio, a state with 17 million people. You'd still be far more likely to catch a stray bullet than have a baby with microcephaly there.
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