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Kashuno posted:Your original idea was "POWER" or "NO POWER," please don't change your idea now. Yes. And if you get too many power claims you then do individual role claims. As stated multiple times.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 21:59 |
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TheCog posted:Yes. And if you get too many power claims you then do individual role claims. As stated multiple times. that doesn't work. At all. Think.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:09 |
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Kashuno posted:that doesn't work. At all. Think. I mean yes, if you think outing power roles for mafia lynches is bad, fine, but as to it working? It works. Clearly people don't like the odds the plan generates day 1, and I'm OK with that, but the logic is not that hard to follow.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:13 |
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Lumpen posted:As the designer of this setup, I can confidently say this would have a bad outcome for us at this time. I think you're more likely Town for proposing it, though. You have the right intuition; In this setup, a massclaim is strong and necessary at the right moment. There's a balance of risk and reward that tilts with every flip and every night result and every claim. In Slack Mafia #2, where this setup originated, the Scum had the game virtually wrapped up (if the Scum would have been online to drop their votes together, the game would be over), but Town was able to take the win by massclaiming at that time and leveraging Scum fakeclaiming mistakes into logic traps, when the various counterclaims were weighed against the posting, voting, and play of previous days. It was quite thrilling. lol it was pretty great
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:14 |
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##vote captain foo hiding behind a policy vote that he claims he will stick to until imgay is dead FOS@U SIR not a action just a strong fos
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:17 |
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TheCog posted:Except it does. You end up with two cops? One is mafia. Two doctors? One is mafia. What are they going to do "I'm a power role but I refuse to say specifics"? Say 2 scum claim power and 3 dont, everyone else is honest. Then what? You helped scum and didn't help town at all.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:21 |
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it's really not rocket science.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:22 |
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Kashuno posted:Say 2 scum claim power and 3 dont, everyone else is honest. Then what? You helped scum and didn't help town at all. You sequentially claim roles. Aka. Cop claims. Then doctor. Etc. You now have two doctor claims. You lynch into the pair, 50% odds of mafia. If you miss, guaranteed mafia lynch the next day *and* you have another pair to lynch into. Congrats, mafia handed you half the scum team by day 4.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:24 |
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I'm talking to a wall omg.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:27 |
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Kashuno posted:I'm talking to a wall omg. This is how I feel.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:28 |
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IF YOU MISS YOU GUARANTEED KILLED A POWER ROLE.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:29 |
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Kashuno posted:IF YOU MISS YOU GUARANTEED KILLED A POWER ROLE. Power roles are here so we can kill scum. I'll happily trade 1 for 1 power roles for mafia.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:31 |
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TheCog posted:Power roles are here so we can kill scum. I'll happily trade 1 for 1 power roles for mafia. were I scum, I'd easily trade myself for the town cop
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:32 |
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Kashuno posted:were I scum, I'd easily trade myself for the town cop But if that's how you see things there's no way you'll find my plan reasonable.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:34 |
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there's a reason no one is agreeing with your plan.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:35 |
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i agree that the plan would work. i don't know why you're expending so much effort arguing about something that's not going to happen, but, you are wrong.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:48 |
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If one scum claims a power role then they've sacrificed themselves to out all the other power roles, not just the one they're doubling up on. That's a pretty good trade, imo.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 22:59 |
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TheCog posted:Opportunistically joining the bandwagon. Specifically as a rule of thumb, votes between 3 - 5 on an early bandwagon are from scum who feel comfortable enough with the possibility of getting the train rolling, without the scrutiny of being one of the first votes. This reason is pretty simplistic and doesn't hold true a lot of the time.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:00 |
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i dont giv ea poo poo if any of these power roles survive and neither should you
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:00 |
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thank you asiina you see common sense.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:00 |
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Kashuno posted:thank you asiina you see common sense. Don't suck up. GulagDolls posted:i dont giv ea poo poo if any of these power roles survive and neither should you Roleblockers exist.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:02 |
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Asiina posted:
ummm,...again i dont care
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:05 |
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Save the power claim for like day 3 or something
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:05 |
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Maybe I am dumb but it seems pretty obvious to me that taking all your tools for finding scum and putting them out there for all the scum to easily manage is a very scum move? Again, I agree with the general opinion that TheCog wasn't doing it from a scum angle but I have my doubts about some others. edit: misclicked edit instead of quote trying to recover original Truth Quark fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jan 31, 2016 |
# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:09 |
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Guys the reason mass claiming doesn't work is because unlike other games you aren't locked into your claim, the vanilla town becomes the power roles later so someone who claims no power now could have a power later, the scum that claim no power could later claim power and it wouldn't be damning. If the vt were regular vt this would be different but its not
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:10 |
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i dont think that would matter at all jakep.Friction.123 posted:Maybe I am dumb but it seems pretty obvious to me that taking all your tools for finding scum and putting them out there for all the scum to easily manage is a very scum move?
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:14 |
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Kashuno posted:I'm talking to a wall omg. You'd think you'd be used to it by now. TheCog posted:With a godfather and a Miller in play? I'd much rather have a scum lynch than a cop. Though the miller's claimed, it's Kash. GulagDolls posted:ummm,...again i dont care Yeah to be fair, power roles are aides, not the way the game should be won.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:23 |
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GulagDolls posted:i dont think that would matter at all jakep. I think you are scum
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:25 |
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Friction.123 posted:I think you are scum In fact, ##vote GulagDolls
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:25 |
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For content's sake, let's vote on whether to massclaim today. &&Massclaim: NO Patterns in stances on whether or not to massclaim may be more useful than massclaiming. Let's do it every day until a majority vote to massclaim.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:26 |
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Friction.123 posted:I think you are scum good. now elaborate on why i am scum and thecog is not, if u pleeze i'm for massclaiming but think pineapple on pizza is just okay
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:30 |
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GulagDolls posted:i'm for massclaiming but think pineapple on pizza is just okay ##Against Massclaiming this early, but will reevaluate for later days
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:31 |
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GulagDolls posted:good. now elaborate on why i am scum and thecog is not, if u pleeze I've already stated my reasons for this, I'm not gonna write a big effort essay to satisfy your opinions on my mafia knowledge thanks.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:33 |
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Friction.123 posted:
no this is the only thing you said, actually. that bitter refusal to explain something pretty basic (who asked for an essay) is awfully fishy
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:40 |
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GulagDolls posted:no this is the only thing you said, actually. Its in the same exact post you quoted, the line above. :?: Which I accidentally clicked edit on but I think the post is the same as it was before.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:44 |
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Friction.123 posted:Maybe I am dumb but it seems pretty obvious to me that taking all your tools for finding scum and putting them out there for all the scum to easily manage is a very scum move? Hi Friction, glad you are joining us! You're new so I will say this nicely DO NOT EVER EVER EVER EVER FOR ANY REASON EVER EDIT YOUR POSTS EVER OMG NO.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:44 |
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Kashuno posted:Hi Friction, glad you are joining us! You're new so I will say this nicely I know, it was a misclick and I thought I was quoting myself, turns out I was editing. My mistake.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:44 |
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Would vote kash just for
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:47 |
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Friction.123 posted:Its in the same exact post you quoted, the line above. :?: so the difference between the two people advocating the same idea.... IS???????!?!
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:48 |
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Friction.123 posted:Maybe I am dumb but it seems pretty obvious to me that taking all your tools for finding scum and putting them out there for all the scum to easily manage is a very scum move? If you think someone's scum say it
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 23:49 |