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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
sam... don't make me use my secert role power on you

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Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
also to tell ou guys how stupid this setup is, i have a one shot ability and i can charge myself

JakeP
Apr 27, 2003

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy
##vote podima i guess :shrug:

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
Roleblocker ninja sounds like nonsense to me, but I have no reason not to believe Jake.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
Maybe x-shot?

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
i really don't know how to use my powers sigh

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
Like I don't feel it is a lost cause to be tracking the movements of scummy people, but that is all just speculation.

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Deadline is tonight, let's not let apathy set in when we're this close!

I'm doing some more looking at scum's post history, Quid first.

Reminder, here's where I pointed out the people that Quid called out as possible scum (extra whitespace removed):

Podima posted:

Rereading Quid's post history, here are the people he made scum calls on/probed (just including one example of each so this post doesn't get huge, dude liked to hear himself talk):

Me
Friction
Jake
goodness
ANarc

Given how hard Quid pushed Jake all d1, I have a hard time seeing them on a scumteam together. Others I'm not so sure about! Has anyone else reread Quid's post history? Curious to see their take on his interactions, since it's not often that we get a scum flip on n1 after a pretty productive d1 to work with.

Also notable:
That is a pretty strong clear of Trasson and a pretty bad excusing of imgay being imgay!

I went back and looked at who Quid didn't interact with or address at all:

  • Opop (who was barely posting)
  • PBS
  • SSV
  • :siren:Tomm

Based on this, I would vote either of:

SSV
  • Iffy Tracker - got 'roleblocked' and tracked non-useful people
  • Didn't counterclaim Jake when Jake misclaimed Tracker

PBS
  • Isn't an inkling apparently but didn't counterclaim Trasson's flavorcop(?) claim that he was
  • Claims 'charger' in a game where primarily scum seem to have charge abilities

I know PBS is "cop-cleared" but I'm questioning how useful that cop read is if it gave an Inkling result on a non-inkling.

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
ok tomm's post history is useless, the only people he interacted with were Jake, PBS, and imgay. Great.

JakeP
Apr 27, 2003

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy
im mad bitter about my role

not only is it unpractical to use, but when I did happen to have it targetted on the right person, I got no result

what junk

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Yeah Vimes isn't making much sense and all that.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 4

Podima (1): JakeP

Not Voting (6): Asiina, CCKeane, PBS Newshour, Podima, SirSamVimes, Trasson

With 7 alive, it's 4 votes to lynch. The current deadline is February 18th, 2016 at 10 p.m. EST -- that's in about 9 hours, 28 minutes.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
I'm so confused.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Asiina posted:

I'm so confused.

I mean, we can math this out at this point, but I'm pretty sure it's Vime, Podima, or as a long shot, JakeP.

I can't be the only one that's like, "hey we got a RB and a ninja effect here"

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
Asiina - Survivor
Podima - BP Miller
JakeP - Watcher (ANarc N2 & N3, saw nothing), cleared by cop
SirSamVimes - Tracker (Madman N1, roleblocked N2, Asiina N3)
Trasson - Cop
Capps - Charger, cleared by cop
CCKeane - POWERFUL TOWN ROLE, cleared by cop

Scum is a roleblocker, and ninja?. (??? N1, Vimes N2, killed ANarc N3)

People who could be lying scum!

Trasson could be lying and there is no cop. Could explain the inkling/not inkling thing with capps. Risky claim to make, but he was under pressure. It will also screw him in the end since if me and podima die he's gonna be left with only cop cleared people when a godfather has already flipped. Not seeing it as very likely, but not entirely impossible.

Assuming Trasson is telling the truth then scum is one of me, Podima, or Vimes, none of which are cleared by any other powers. I'm not scum :sun: but between Podima and Vimes, I'd rather murder Podima (despite agreeing with him most of the game). His BP claim and miller claim is a perfect combination of being immune to the cop and an excuse not to get NK'd. I don't see counterclaiming tracker as a problem, since multiple trackers in games do happen.

This ninja thing really is a pain in the rear end though, since if it wasn't we could coordinate night actions where Trasson investigates Vimes and Jake watches Trasson, and Vimes tracks Trasson since as the only person left that the cop can clear is Vimes and he'll most definitely die for it tonight. If Trasson is killed, then Jake should see it, and if Trasson is scum, then Vimes would definitely die since Trasson has no excuse to go anywhere else and Vimes would catch him doing it. Ninja messes this up though, since if Trasson dies and Jake sees Vimes visit him then ???

Also this only works if you believe I'm not the last scum.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Asiina you should math everything out. You are good at math and I am alxy.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Welp, looks like you !mated everything out.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
I mathed it up good, but it only works from my perspective.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Vimes can track me as I use my role~~~

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
Yeah you and capps should claim your roles it may help?

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

The ol' double bluff.

Hiding in plain sight.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Asiina posted:

Yeah you and capps should claim your roles it may help?

Let's not get crazy here.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
I can't math with incomplete information!

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
Also I believe you're VT anyway.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

It's called solving for x!

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
Yes, solving for X is finding the scum! You can't solve for X when there are other unknown variables though!

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I mostly agree with everything Asiina said (including the fact that it only works if we accept her survivor claim), with the addition that if Trasson's cop is fake or inaccurate (which I am increasingly uncertain about, with this setup's quirkiness), then that makes Jake, Capps, and Keane entirely plausible scum.

Alternatively Capps is lying and is an inkling, in which case it's down to Asiina, me, or SSV. :shrug:

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Asiina posted:

Also I believe you're VT anyway.

This, yeah.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Asiina posted:

Yes, solving for X is finding the scum! You can't solve for X when there are other unknown variables though!

What's unknown.

Is what horrors lie in the heart of man.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
It's true he could be a naive cop, and I would suggest he investigate me to see if that's the case, but I don't know if we have that kind of leeway?

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Podima posted:

This, yeah.

Are you calling me A LIAR!?

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer

CCKeane posted:

What's unknown.

Is what horrors lie in the heart of man.

Humanities are stupid.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer

CCKeane posted:

Are you calling me A LIAR!?

VT is a very powerful role.

You have the power of your vote!

(I've been assuming this is what you're going to say when finally claiming)

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Asiina posted:

VT is a very powerful role.

You have the power of your vote!

(I've been assuming this is what you're going to say when finally claiming)


I have become too predictable. :(

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
One of Vimes or Trasson is dying tonight because they can clear each other by targeting each other.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
I think capps should claim her other power though, since it might help?

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
its the power of belief, i tricked you into thinking i have a power, because isn't that the same thing as having a power?

just a mafia lesson for you all

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
lol :eyeroll:

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

:sigh:

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Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Asiina posted:

Asiina - Survivor
Podima - BP Miller
JakeP - Watcher (ANarc N2 & N3, saw nothing), cleared by cop
SirSamVimes - Tracker (Madman N1, roleblocked N2, Asiina N3)
Trasson - Cop
Capps - VT, cleared by cop
CCKeane - VT, cleared by cop

Scum is a roleblocker, and ninja?. (??? N1, Vimes N2, killed ANarc N3)

Possible scum are now, in fact, down to me, Asiina, and SSV assuming everyone else's claims are accurate.

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