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One positive application of AI I’m looking forward to is writing pointless bullshit text for pointless bullshit people. “ChatGPT: Write a three-paragraph cover letter expressing my burning desire to work at WidgetCorp until I die so they give me a job”, or “ChatGPT, write three paragraphs to gently prod an egotistical manager into realising idea xyz is bullshit because abc” type of thing.
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pumpinglemma posted:One positive application of AI I’m looking forward to is writing pointless bullshit text for pointless bullshit people. “ChatGPT: Write a three-paragraph cover letter expressing my burning desire to work at WidgetCorp until I die so they give me a job”, or “ChatGPT, write three paragraphs to gently prod an egotistical manager into realising idea xyz is bullshit because abc” type of thing. Anno posted:One part nightmarish, one part strangely compelling to watch
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Depending on what they trained it on, there is a huge risk that it will reproduce other medical biases, such as "black people feel less pain" (a serious existing problem) and "women tend to exaggerate unimportant things . Also I'll bet you any doctor will tell you "differential diagnosis is not the hard part".
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Feb 1, 2023 17:14
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But it's easier to lie to the robot about your race or BMI. This might be a valuable alternative to WebMD for those who are used to medical discrimination
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Xand_Man posted:Ehh I see a lot of people somehow surprised that when you talk to a bot designed specifically for medical diagnosis its answers will all be through the lens of medical diagnosis. You're missing the forest for the trees. Part of being a medical professional is sorting out what details are relevant or not, and which problems are severe enough to constitute a disorder. People can't figure it out for themselves because they aren't medical professionals; that's kind of the point. So if the AI forces any and all information into the lens of the diagnoses it knows about, as if everyone who comes to it must have a diagnosis, that's actually worse than nothing. Now consider psychiatric disorders that make the sufferer an unreliable narrator. I'm not even talking psychosis. OCD often makes people fixate on urges they don't even have. Like, they're terrified they'll poison their family without actually having the urge to do so. Figuring out which concerns are plausible requires understanding context, the very thing AI is worst at. Applying the current state of the art to medical advice is way, way worse than using it to make crappy dialog or fanart. It's a problem tailor made to turn the shortcomings of machine learning into human suffering. Edit: At the very least this bot hasn't had nearly enough training from cases where there isn't actually a diagnosis. The typical AI failure mode where you show a plant-identifying bot a picture of a cat and it guesses hydrangea with a 2% confidence is unacceptable for this use case. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Feb 1, 2023 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:The typical AI failure mode where you show a plant-identifying bot a picture of a cat and it guesses hydrangea with a 2% confidence is unacceptable for this use case. If the use case is "replace a doctor," agreed. I can imagine this being useful as a tool a doctor might consult to compensate for the human capacity to forget or fail to make connections. The doctor can take inspiration from the bot while filtering out the bot's nonsense. "Oh, the bot suggested the problem is overexposure to ammonia, I didn't even think about that but now that I think about it, that makes a lot of sense, I should ask the patient if that could be a factor. The bot also suggests depression because patient is complaining, obviously that's bullshit haha." Of course the problem is that there's much more money in "replace a doctor" than "help a doctor brainstorm."
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Feb 1, 2023 17:57
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Obviously saying to a gay teenager "You're probably trans or mentally ill" is unacceptable, but it's just a complex statistical model with a slick coat of paint. If the question was "What are some things I might want to screen a gay teenager for, knowing nothing else" it's not a crazy list
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Civilized Fishbot posted:If the use case is "replace a doctor," agreed. I can imagine this being useful as a tool a doctor might consult to compensate for the human capacity to forget or fail to make connections. The doctor can take inspiration from the bot while filtering out the bot's nonsense. The problem is that uptodate and the like are better at this and present tons of context that is necessary to be useful for physicians.
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It's an example of using the wrong tool for the job because the wrong tool has a lot of zeitgeist around it, just like blockchain. There are many, many ways to model the problem of differential diagnoses with software than a generative language model. To use an example of a problem space that's similar enough: You could use generative AI to re-implement a taxonomic tree when identifying species of plants. But why? The taxonomy exists; it's already a tree; tree structures are easy to build and allow people to navigate via UI. Would you rather have a probabilistic answer about what the plant species might be based on a language model, or a deterministic answer by following a well-defined taxonomy?
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Xand_Man posted:Obviously saying to a gay teenager "You're probably trans or mentally ill" is unacceptable, but it's just a complex statistical model with a slick coat of paint. If the question was "What are some things I might want to screen a gay teenager for, knowing nothing else" it's not a crazy list Doctors have gone through many years of education in order to know what to screen for. Sometimes they gently caress up, but "maybe this person should be checked for depression" is not a hard call, and not a rare one. None of the differentials shown pick up any zebras, like "Have you considered Alport Syndrome?" (yes, I did google "rare kidney diseases" to come up with that one) If we paged somebody from the med thread, and frankly they have enough things to be angry about, they would tell us that even when these diagnoses are appropriate, they would check for all of them as a matter of course; they don't need AI help to do it.
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AI could be used in diagnostics and prescriptions for a plethora of alternative treatments like homeopathy, I think. It wouldn't do anything, but that's already to be expected if you're into those. Best outcome, all the quacks lose job!
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Those alternatives already exist and don’t need AI.
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Feb 1, 2023 20:19
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Homeopathy bot says: drink water!
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poemdexter posted:I think the big problem with all the new tech that comes out is that people with money only think about what existing things they can replace instead of thinking of new and novel things to do with it. On top of all that, the existing things usually do that thing better. I would re-phrase it more like people are only interested in exciting ~*~disruptive~*~ ideas that might push a startup to unicorn valuation levels. 'Marketing boilerplate' or 'code boilerplate in my IDE' are not that. (I'm agreeing with you, just restating it in a more Silicon Valley buzzword way)
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Mourning Due posted:This all sounds amazing and makes me wish every game used this AI. That's why Microsoft is so invested in it. They don't believe that it's a magical tool that will replace everything. For them, ChatGPT is next-gen autocomplete that can rapidly spit out stock sentences more effectively than their current autocomplete. But it's still just better autocomplete.
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Feb 1, 2023 21:05
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You'll be able to track AI-assistance in writing by the appearance of phrases out of nowhere that suddenly spend six months being in every piece written before the article about "have you noticed these phrases that AI likes to use too much?" appears.
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Feb 1, 2023 21:12
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all I know is that I had chat gpt format terrible lovely ancient text I copied out of a pdf (publicly available, not a private doc) and it turned it into HTML and it made proper headings, bulleted lists and it saved me like an hour.
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Feb 1, 2023 21:23
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PT6A posted:Homeopathy bot says: drink water!  : Homeopathy bot, I want real cure for this chronic illness. : Microdose anthrax mixed in rubbing alcohol. Take twice daily until your healing crystals resonate orange and not blue.
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Feb 1, 2023 21:31
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Okay but what if we marketed OpenAI as homeopathic psychiatrist?
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Evil Fluffy posted:
Immune system recognizes and responds to the anthrax killed by the rubbing alcohol. Basically a vaccination, I call that a win!
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If it's 'properly' homeopathic, there won't be any anthrax in that rubbing alcohol.
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Emzedoh posted:If it's 'properly' homeopathic, there won't be any anthrax in that rubbing alcohol. Nor will there be rubbing alcohol.
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I wonder what the homeopathic treatment for dehydration is
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HopperUK posted:I wonder what the homeopathic treatment for dehydration is Nothing at all. You take a tall glass of nothing twice a day.
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https://hpathy.com/cause-symptoms-treatment/dehydration-symptoms/quote:For individualized remedy selection and treatment, the patient should consult a qualified homeopathic doctor in person. Some important remedies are given below for dehydration treatment:
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The homeopathic preparations of those would probably help dehydration if you took enough of them. Finally, we've found something homeopathy can treat.
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karthun posted:Nor will there be rubbing alcohol. I think some homeopathic remedies are suspended (hah) in alcohol rather than water? I have a vague memory of my mother giving me arnica drops when I was very small and had a fall or something. In hindsight, they tasted pretty boozy though I didn't realise at the time.
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Emzedoh posted:I think some homeopathic remedies are suspended (hah) in alcohol rather than water? I have a vague memory of my mother giving me arnica drops when I was very small and had a fall or something. In hindsight, they tasted pretty boozy though I didn't realise at the time. If it's not curable with booze, tar and sauna, then you are dying 
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Worked for me when I got covid
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https://twitter.com/TwitterDev/status/1621026986784337922 I don't use birdsite but this seems bad
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I don't use birdsite but this seems bad Good for hastening the death of twitter, bad for people who follow bot accounts that post pictures of kittens.
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I'm pretty sure every user who has to or, God help us all, chooses to use it as a function of their job uses a third party program to make it actually manageable so expect to hear about this if they charge out the nose. I'm sure there's business cases for both sides of the move but I'm not going to entertain the notion that there's any sensible reason this was done.
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So long Endless Screaming, we knew ya all too well.
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Epic High Five posted:I'm pretty sure every user who has to or, God help us all, chooses to use it as a function of their job uses a third party program to make it actually manageable so expect to hear about this if they charge out the nose. I'm sure there's business cases for both sides of the move but I'm not going to entertain the notion that there's any sensible reason this was done. If the rate sheet I've seen is accurate, they're charging out the nose. It was something like $2500 for a million api calls (and it takes like 10 api calls to do anything of value in twitter). This is all just playing into Musk's paranoia that there's a network of bots "out there" somewhere manipulating likes and retweets somehow to silence conservative voices, which is patently nonsense.
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I'm sure charging an obscene amount for API calls is going to bring those advertisers back
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Kwyndig posted:If the rate sheet I've seen is accurate, they're charging out the nose. It was something like $2500 for a million api calls (and it takes like 10 api calls to do anything of value in twitter). $2500 for 10k calls. It's multiple orders of magnitude more than they can possible get away with. It's a joke, nobody will pay those rates.
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Kwyndig posted:If the rate sheet I've seen is accurate, they're charging out the nose. It was something like $2500 for a million api calls (and it takes like 10 api calls to do anything of value in twitter). fool of sound posted:$2500 for 10k calls. It's multiple orders of magnitude more than they can possible get away with. It's a joke, nobody will pay those rates. The rates that are going around are the existing rates for a very specific API that has existed for a long time, it's not the new rate for the generic API.
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The API should be free if you're just using it to interact with your own account
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Kwyndig posted:If the rate sheet I've seen is accurate, they're charging out the nose. It was something like $2500 for a million api calls (and it takes like 10 api calls to do anything of value in twitter). I'm pretty sure the rate sheet that's been making the rounds on Twitter is not accurate - it's a rate sheet for one of Twitter's existing APIs that was already pay-only. The pricing for the new move hasn't been revealed yet, and I wouldn't be surprised if Musk has yet to decide on prices since he's been running things by the seat of his pants. I think this is less about bots, and more about being desperate for cashflow and not really understanding how normal people use Twitter.
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Thanks Ants posted:The API should be free if you're just using it to interact with your own account How is he going to pay that $44 billion back if he has lost 76% of his advertisers and nobody is paying for Twitter Blue if he doesn't charge 15x the going rate for API?
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