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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Yeah that thing is like a retro-futuristic view of automation in the workplace, but is unnecessarily complicated and an OHS nightmare. There are already fryer machines that work well where uncooked ingredients go in one place and cooked fries come out another.

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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


PT6A posted:

Yes, from my experiences watching daytime TV on CBC, I have gathered that people in the UK (particularly) love to buy the most unsuitable buildings ever and turn them into residences for some reason.

"I've bought a moldy, collapsing lighthouse in the rear end end of nowhere accessible only by a rope bridge and surrounded by cliffs which are sloughing off on a regular basis, and it's only going to cost me half a million pounds to turn it into a small but livable house!"

Sounds like you've found Grand Designs.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Arsenic Lupin posted:

Uber cuts 3000 jobs

Mother of Mercy... could this be the end of Uber? (If you prefer: Top of the Mark, Ma!)

Uber is genuinely killing off their self-driving aspirations? Wasn't the promise of being able to get rid of the human drivers eventually one of the only things keeping investors throwing money at them?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Complications posted:

For a car? Not at all in the short run. The car is just going to have to identify it as a tree, an immovable obstruction, in the event of a maneuver near one. In the long run, identifying palm trees will be useful for pie-in-the-sky auto-driving cars when all the directions the idiot human has is "near four palm trees in a big W." It's also useful for general image recognition purposes, and at a guess I'd say while Google may not be in that business right at this instant there's no reason that they wouldn't position themselves as being able to sell those services to definitely-not-governments in the future AWS style.

They're probably hiding it as future-services-for-social-media-sites so the engineers have an excuse to turn off their brains.

For increased awareness of the world there's probably also value in knowing what things like palm trees are. They have aerial imagery to also compare against, so recognizing landmarks could help get bearings.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Was in England a couple of years ago and my grandmother hadn't tried the pasta she made my vegetarian cousin and I because she'd put garlic in and that made it too spicy.

It's typically one way or another, people there love spices and can't get enough, or never touch anything with my flavour than a roast.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


knox_harrington posted:

The solid food is just for show, as you know none of us Brits have any teeth so we drink a liquidised slurry when you aren't looking.

If you looking for pasta recipes there are lots on Italian websites, if you search for the Italian words you get good recipes without Americans subbing in unrelated ingredients.

My fav thing about that stereotype is that the stats have the average Brit with more of their teeth left than the average American. It's just that America is more about the flashy white grins.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Really it's pretty lucky that whoever did this only tried to pull off a pretty obvious Bitcoin scam. Something more sophisticated and organised could have had really big repercussions.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

if you think no one sent anything lmao

Yeah, but the only people who would have been caught by it would be those gullible to have lots of money in Bitcoin that they throw around. With this many big names they could have pulled off some really sophisticated manipulation, which makes me wonder what they had in mind before those upcoming changes apparently played their hand.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Wait, does that mean the message I get every month thanking me for being a LinkedIn user and begging me to pay for it actually came from a real person and not a bit like I assumed? How on Earth does that site have so many employees?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


blunt posted:

The suggestion is that verified users with x thousand or more followers will have to pay $y/month for z features.

What the features are though, who knows. It's not going to be targeted at regular users though, it's about influencers/celebrities/companies/people who generate significant revenue from the platform.

Yeah, along with a Patreon/OnlyFans style model as has been suggested.

They'll probably give paid users the option to edit tweets and stuff like that.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Some of Musks ideas pay off because they require that child-like questioning of the rules. With SpaceX for example, pushing from the top down for reusability and landing gave engineers the opportunity to explore things that most others had written off as impractical and so not properly investigated.

Then there are things like this where he's proposing solutions to problems where lots of time and effort has been spent exploring alternative solutions, and shock horror it turns out that many of the things he want to do haven't been done or were already tried and abandoned for good reasons.

Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Oct 17, 2020

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Motronic posted:

Why do you think you get to use enough parts to make this worthwhile? What actual hard numbers do you have on production vs. rebuild/refit (gently caress the extra fuel to land them, that can't even matter as far as significant money here)?

You need to separate (nasa)taxpayer/(commercial)investor storytime from reality here.

This is literally the same problems the space shuttle program had, which is why I brought it up.

A significant major cost of a launch are the engines themselves. Prices for different high-powered engines are known, so not throwing them away each launch (assuming they can be reused) is a significant saving.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Motronic posted:

Okay....let's say what you're talking about works out. How does it compare to recovery costs vs. "impressively landing on a platform".

I'm 100% down with that being super cool. I'm just not seeing how this reuse makes financial......and more importantly safety sense. Please convince me I'm wrong because I want to live in the future.

You can't really recover rocket engines without soft landing them.

The shuttle SRB recovery was a very different type of situation since solid rocket boosters are much simpler. They don't have all the fancy motors and pumps and in a simplistic way more closely resemble a giant firework than a liquid rocket.

Liquid fuel rocket engines are incredibly complex and precisely engineered. Drop one into the ocean and you'll get both mechanical damage and the horrific effect that salt water has on hot metal.

For this reason engine recovery for reuse hasn't been practised before the F9 apart from the Shuttle Orbiter. Recovery was even proposed back in the 60s but back then the most feasible options involved the engines being jettisoned, parachuting down, and being caught mid-air by a giant helicopter.

For a ton of reasons that wasn't considered practical so the concept was scrapped until the Shuttle.

In recent years ULA has proposed doing that air capture idea: https://spaceflightnow.com/2015/04/...0the%20booster.

quote:

“We will cut them off, we will return them to the Earth using an advanced inflatable hypersonic heat shield and then … we will recover them in mid-air, bring them home to the factory, quickly recertify them and then plop them right under the next booster in line,” said ULA President and CEO Tory Bruno.

“This will take up to 90 percent of the propulsion cost out of the booster. And this is just the beginning.”

The engines represent a quarter of the first stage’s overall weight and 65 percent

So even "simple" recovery is complex and has hardware development costs. Plus, from a learning standpoint propulsively landing boosters has taught SpaceX engineers a lot, which they can use when developing future vehicles such as Starship (whether or not that ever meets any of its lofty goals is an entirely different question).

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


PT6A posted:

I've discussed this in several other threads, but the control logic in any sort of aircraft autopilot is orders of magnitude simpler than the bare minimum a self-driving car would need. Autopilots work on the principle that "I wish to fly this path, I'm going to determine what I need to do to fly this path, and then do it." They don't need to continuously determine a new path in split seconds due to traffic control devices, other vehicles, lane markings, etc. And they still gently caress up sometimes and need human intervention!

Yeah. In smaller aircraft that are most equivalent to automobiles it's basically just a souped up cruise control.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Reports that Uber is looking to sell their self driving division.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Space Gopher posted:

Airplanes are incredibly useful, and they're not going to go away even in a perfect post-carbon world. Hydrocarbon fuels are also almost certainly going to stick around in general. Their energy density is just too drat useful to pass up.

The ideal state is that we drastically decrease the need for hydrocarbon fuels and stop extracting them from fossil sources. There are already processes for turning biomass into jet fuel. As long as you can farm that biomass in a sustainable way (which is itself a big challenge, don't get me wrong) then you can have jets without net carbon emissions.

Yeah, this. Assuming civilisation doesn't collapse in the next few decades there will probably be aircraft using hydrocarbon fuel for centuries to come.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Everyone ready for the stupidest thing you'll see this week?

https://twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/1331768622960635906?s=20

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


luxury handset posted:

the man-size quadcopter approach kind of works if you don't mind the flying taxi equivalent of a dirt bike. it works for guys who buy poo poo from the hammacher-slemmer catalog but nothing to build a taxi service around, and its not clear that we can further upscale the quadcopters to be minivan sized because you start running into problems with a lot of little electric engines vs one big whopper engine helicopter style

i've probably posted it itt before but the helicopter commuter era of the 1960s was real fun, urban planners were banking on this being the thing that ends traffic jams. turns out there are practical problems beyond the refinement of technology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY18c0X4uWg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nbz5VFilxY

It's crazy to think about how that first video was made 58 years ago, and 59 years after the Wright Brothers first flew. It's easy for us now to look at the wide-eyed techno-optimism of the time, but that was a world where transport was constantly getting easier, faster, and more convenient.

Makes me wonder what aspects of our world that we take for granted as always advancing that we will see settle into a sort of long-term stability. Home computing is probably one of them as we start to run up against limits of material science.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


PT6A posted:

We're still making huge strides in aviation when it comes to range, efficiency, navigation precision, anti-collision measures, etc., it's just that none of them have magically made it efficient and possible for people to flit around in self-flying helicopters affordably because that's probably a thing that can't ever happen, for a number of reasons.

We're not, in any sense, running of huge improvements to be made.

Yeah, but they are all incremental changes. Still valuable for sure (the fact that plane travel is so safe nowadays is astounding) but if you took one of those people from 1962 who flew internationally regularly and put them in a modern international airport the general structure and procedures would be familiar to them. And watching that video, it's easy to recognize the experience of delayed flights and taxis stuck in traffic jams even today.

When the world had gone from no powered flight to large international airports in a few decades, it's easy to understand why they expected that the changes would continue on a similar path.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Doctor Nutt posted:

This was essentially what facebook was when it emerged during my college years and was only available to people with an .edu email address (aside from the obvious use of being used to creep on freshmen women). It was actually pretty fascinating to get in on just above the ground floor and watch it become... What it is now. If I go back far enough all my posts are just random musings throughout my day about dumb poo poo on campus but it's still preferable to people using it to push wild conspiracy garbage on my boomer parents.

Senor Tron is reminiscing about the good old days of Facebook.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


PT6A posted:

To be fair, they've discovered the pump-and-dump, a scheme/scam that's literally older than any of us. It's not novel, the main difference here is that instead of leaving a bunch of pissed off marks holding the bag at the end, they've convinced them that they should be happy about hodling because it screws the hedge funds.

It's like every story you've ever heard of "disruptors" reinventing the wheel. It's fundamentally unimpressive, and the amount of media attention it's got as a result is completely disproportionate to its actual impact to the market.

The internet allows things to grow in a way they previously often wouldn't though.

On SA we all for the most part laughed at Bitcoin (and with good reason, much about it and especially the early communities were/are hilariously awful) but what we underestimated was the sheer number of people willing to jump on something like it and force it up.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Somewhat relevantly, I re-listened to Kennedy's We choose to go to the moon speech a couple of weeks ago and it's still amazing.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


PhazonLink posted:

once again i would like to shout into the void with super nova anger that its bullshit that we've some how concluded that sat internet is the solution instead of more fiber.

Also car tech and plane tech is old, clearly we should all be driving and flying cars and planes some teen made in their garage, or use 3D printed guns.

lol owl cheese.

Good luck getting fiber laid to aircraft and ships.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


I love VR and have had a good time watching movies in VR (on a long international flight being able to sit in an empty movie theatre was amazing) but I can't see it ever coming close to replacing wall displays, and neither would I want it to.

Even wearing lightweight sunglasses was enough of a barrier to make people give up on 3dtv.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


SCheeseman posted:

It really isn't. The "VR" porn available today is still just glorified stereoscopic video rather than holographic/volumetric and isn't very convincing.

It'll take something with the weight of sunglasses for HMDs to truly begin replacing flat panels. But it will, and suggestions that it won't seem as ludicrous to me as saying that there will forever be a room in your house to listen to your phonographs.

To take your "ludicrous" situation, seems to me that most people still prefer listening to audio on speakers despite the proliferation of lightweight wireless headphones that give a better sound quality.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


SCheeseman posted:

Most don't dedicate a room, speakers can be set up anywhere and music streamed from a phone. Also for wireless headphones to proliferate I would assume they'd have to be fairly popular?

Its ludicrous to assume that the way we consume media will continue as is for the indefinite future when it has radically changed so many times over in the last century. Provided all of the other accessibility issues with VR/AR are dealt with, the ability to have a virtual display of any size and position has obvious appeal, even in the context of group watching.

If we were still in an era of 200lb CRT TV's then yeah, but flatscreen TV's are increasingly becoming thinner and lighter.

By the time that display technology has advanced to the point that lightweight personal HMD's are a viable alternative it's also likely that you'll essentially be able to put up a sheet of smart wallpaper on a wall.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


This Is the Zodiac posted:

Calling bs on “most people”.
There are always going to be folks who enjoy their finely-tuned home stereos, but AirPods are one of the most popular and fastest-selling consumer products ever. There will always be folks who love the warmth of vinyl, but Spotify is quickly approaching half a billion users per month.
HDTV didn’t flop just because people had perfectly good SD TVs in their homes. DVD didn’t flop just because people had VCRs, nor did Blu-ray flop just because people had DVD players.

Who said that they were going to "flop"? They offer different experiences and headphones of that style are great hardware (I love my wireless ear buds) but they don't seem to be replacing home speakers for most people. Especially when you have multiple people experiencing the same media at the same time.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


SCheeseman posted:

Quest has passthrough already, the visual quality sucks but it works fine for conversing with people, eating popcorn, drinking beer etc and presumably it'll get better once they're using cameras that aren't B&W and potato quality. At the moment third party apps can't display passthrough as a background, but that is likely to change eventually.

Watching synced video streams with others online is already handled by Bigscreen, it's a trivial problem to solve for local use.

Everything is admittedly in rough shape, but you're making the mistake of defining VR by what it's capable of today. You need to have a bit more foresight.

Innovation is the creation of new solutions to problems.

What problem is this "everyone is in VR all the time" solution solving for random people at home?

In this thread you are speaking to many people who love VR. I personally love VR and am a passionate evangelist for it to friends/coworkers (work in the gaming space, have collaborated with companies looking to use VR for industrial purposes, wrote a VR course for a college I worked at). All that said though you haven't put forward any argument for why people will want this future as the default, other than not having to put a TV on the wall?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006



This is the DIVX disc of the 2020's.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


duz posted:

It should never be forgotten, especially since it led to cosplay of the forums themselves.


What on Earth is happening here.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


evilweasel posted:

a helicopter crashed into a building in manhattan a year or two ago - it was a minor miracle nobody died on the ground

I think it was in this thread a few weeks ago that someone posted the 1950s/1960s video spruiking a helicopter taxi service between New York City and the airport? Operated from the former Pan Am building until an accident.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


This feels like it's leading to the announcement of MuskCoin.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


So these drivers are just going around carrying lots of cash and you can call them to come to you?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Mister Facetious posted:

They're literally buying powerplants:
https://twitter.com/ClimateNexus/status/1382069830128373768?s=20

They are the grid.

I think back to the early days of the Bitcoin thread when we laughed at the Bitcoin proponents who would talk about ideas like Bitcoin satellites, because the ideas were so absurd.

Turns out that weren't so much wrong as that we had way too much faith in the world to not go that absurd.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Having residents electrical supply reliant on their Wi-Fi being active and having not changed the password seems like a customer support nightmare, and if it will stay on wouldn't that defeat the purpose of trying to manage load since hot days would just see people disconnecting the devices from their Wi-Fi?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Solkanar512 posted:

Why do folks always post stupid poo poo like this? You never take into account important context like humidity, construction methods, ability to open windows, clothing requirements, job/activity types, current medications or whether the temperature changes are sudden or gradual. Everyone proposing actual suggestions are proposing policy solutions that cannot be done on the individual level.

The lab I used to work in would have massive, massive issues when the ambient temp got above a certain point - all of the fridges, freezers and -80 freezers would go apeshit trying to keep coo land you'd have runaway temperature increases. I measured 100+ in the basement lab area more than once. And that's before all the PPE that was required. Sometimes you do need to keep poo poo at 68 or 65 degrees.

Yeah, and it totally depends on the built environment and playing it up as a "people this X area just handle it better" is nonsense.

I'm in Australia as well and our house is a bit draughty, but also all solid double brick with plastered internal walls.

Means that the house can get really warm, or really cold, but it takes a while to move in either direction. Whereas right across from us are wood framed gyprock internals/exterior clad townhouses that need to run AC pretty much non-stop if they don't want to exactly match the current external temperature.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


We have a bunch of Google devices at home and honestly I can't disagree with the privacy concerns.

Was one of those things where we already had Android phones so made sense for a Chromecast in the TV. Then some speakers. Then a hub screen, and now the whole drat house has them.

I totally still do the walking around asking for music to be played like I'm on the Enterprise though.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Mister Facetious posted:

Wrap it up, flying car sceptics:

https://www.engadget.com/aircar-first-inter-city-flight-092852060.html

https://youtu.be/a2tDOYkFCYo

The terrestrial configuration looks like a Cessna mated to The Homer :haw:.

That's only 30% faster than the average driver on the 401 :rimshot:.

I will never understand who the target market for these is meant to be.

As a car and a plane this type of hybrid is always going to be inferior to a dedicated vehicle. Anyone who has the money to properly maintain and use one of these is going to have the money to buy a better car and a better small aircraft.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Musk also recently posted about how FSD turned put to be much more difficult than expected (as everyone said it would be) because getting it to work reliably in urban environments requires a bunch of general AI work (as everyone said it would).

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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


UCS Hellmaker posted:

Because other first world countries don't have the land coverage and small rear end population densities of the us.

*laughs in Australian*

Not that we have a perfect system mind you, far from it,but the US is far from the only country with novel concepts such as rural areas.

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