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poptart_fairy posted:It pleases me greatly they're going for the dumb meathead approach for the player character. Cracks me the gently caress up that he's just this heavy-handed psychopath whose sole interaction is punching or shooting roaring monsters in the face. 
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Zaphod42 posted:Good news is we know from the cover art that the game does have a double-barreled shotgun. Although bad news is if you can't move as fast, its inherently less good. Running up to guys and blasting them point blank with the SSG was a decent strategy in the alpha. Might need to put a rocket in them on the approach to soften any armour they had, but it was a really heavy hitter up close.
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AirRaid posted:Running up to guys and blasting them point blank with the SSG was a decent strategy in the alpha. Might need to put a rocket in them on the approach to soften any armour they had, but it was a really heavy hitter up close. Looks like there's far less enemies that have ranged attacks, and possibly zero enemies with hitscan attacks? If so then the slower movement speed isn't as much of a liability to the SSG because you can get into and out of melee range with less danger.
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Zaphod42 posted:All the "masters of doom" other than Carmack have been long long long gone. Romero, Tom Hall, Sandy Petersen, American McGee, all the big-name Doom guys. Let me just say that I work in the same office building as Id and have had contact with quite a few and pretty much everything you say is completely and utterly wrong. But it's some nice speculation.
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Zaphod42 posted:Looks like there's far less enemies that have ranged attacks, and possibly zero enemies with hitscan attacks? If so then the slower movement speed isn't as much of a liability to the SSG because you can get into and out of melee range with less danger. It's been confirmed there are Possesed guys with shotguns, as well as possibly machineguns and chaingunners.
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oswald ownenstein posted:Let me just say that I work in the same office building as Id and have had contact with quite a few and pretty much everything you say is completely and utterly wrong. But it's some nice speculation. Hey there KING human being OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM, would you care to actually explain anything in particular or any concrete detail that was wrong? Want to shed some light on the development process since you are so in the know? Nope? Just wanna drop in to say "lol ur wrong I work with Id and know more" uh okay guy, you're real cool! I'd be surprised to hear what you think is so utterly wrong since I didn't say anything remotely controversial. All the major Doom names other than Carmack left a long time ago, that's a fact. Carmack left several years ago, that's a fact. Id games have been sloppy but have been technically impressive, that's an opinion but a pretty drat common one. AirRaid posted:It's been confirmed there are Possesed guys with shotguns, as well as possibly machineguns and chaingunners. Hm, nuts. Well, it still depends upon how the fights are staged, which enemies are used where. Could be effective then to pick off the chaingunners from range then run around SSG slapping the imps and pinkies after that. Or the SSG could still be good against chaingunners as long as they give us lots of cover when they do use chaingunners.
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Zaphod42 posted:Hm, nuts. Well, it still depends upon how the fights are staged, which enemies are used where. Well from the various interviews I've seen, they put a lot of thought into exactly that. How each different enemy changes the dynamic of a fight, what kind of architecture would help/hinder the player, how the player might want to move around the area while fighting various things. I think Marty mentioned how you might develop a strategy against a certain type of enemy, but then later you won't be able to do the same thing because a new type of enemy is stopping that, so you need to rethink. E: If they can pull it off, I think we'll get a bunch of fight scenarios like Action Movie fight scenes. Think John Wick - the protagonist moving around through a sea of enemies picking off the ones he can, prioritising threats and stunning others to finish later.
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Carmack was poo poo and terrible to work with and had terrible design ideas
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Zaphod42 posted:Hey there KING human being OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM, would you care to actually explain anything in particular or any concrete detail that was wrong? Want to shed some light on the development process since you are so in the know? Nope? Just wanna drop in to say "lol ur wrong I work with Id and know more" uh okay guy, you're real cool! 
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echronorian posted:Carmack was poo poo and terrible to work with and had terrible design ideas
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I'm posting from the future. I wasn't expecting the tutorial to open with a 36-minute monologue delivered by a sole cacodemon on the destructive nature of man and the juxtaposition of the superego with the fallacies of modern convenience vis–à–vis nietzsche. GOTY 2016
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Zaphod42 posted:Hey there KING human being OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM, would you care to actually explain anything in particular or any concrete detail that was wrong? Want to shed some light on the development process since you are so in the know? Nope? Just wanna drop in to say "lol ur wrong I work with Id and know more" uh okay guy, you're real cool! Even though Doom 4 is going to be disappointing at best this is a pro-tier post.
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Zaphod42 posted:Hey there KING human being OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM, would you care to actually explain anything in particular or any concrete detail that was wrong? Want to shed some light on the development process since you are so in the know? Nope? Just wanna drop in to say "lol ur wrong I work with Id and know more" uh okay guy, you're real cool! I mean basically you wanted to act like you know all about the inner workings at play while actually having no clue whatsoever and it entirely being conjecture - ie. "carmack was the man with the plan and everyone else blah blah blah turnover" You don't know anything about the actual talent that works there or some of the senior guys that have been working at id for over a decade. You don't know anything about who the actual lead designers are, or what their resume is. You don't know anything about anything really, you're just running your mouth because you read an article a couple years ago about Doom being in development hell and know Carmack left. Even regurgitating this line of "id games have been sloppy but technically impressive" is pretty much the equivalent of some dipshit yammering off corporate buzzwords in a meeting - I doubt you can even speak to what these 'technically impressive' feats are without googling or regurgitating something someone else may have posted about shaders or w/e Basically you're just a big loving phony oswald ownenstein fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Ooooooh shiiitttttttt!!!!!!!!
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The funny thing is the hordes of monsters people associate with doom 1 and 2 are more associated with modern custom wads than anything id did. Id's maps rarely crossed the 100 monster mark. They're also generally considred easy by modern wad maker standards. Serious Sam and those kinds of games seem to emulate 2000-era slaughterwads more than what id actually did.
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Professor of Cats posted:Ooooooh shiiitttttttt!!!!!!!! ITS. GETTIN. HEATED.
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oswald ownenstein posted:I mean basically you wanted to act like you know all about the inner workings at play while actually having no clue whatsoever and it entirely being conjecture - ie. "carmack was the man with the plan and everyone else blah blah blah turnover" my uncle works at id, ama
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oswald ownenstein posted:I mean basically you wanted to act like you know all about the inner workings at play while actually having no clue whatsoever and it entirely being conjecture - ie. "carmack was the man with the plan and everyone else blah blah blah turnover" Your pathetic facade falls apart once again Zaphod!
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I knew a game thread with an OP by Zaphod would pay off!
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oswald ownenstein posted:I mean basically you wanted to act like you know all about the inner workings at play while actually having no clue whatsoever Zaphods MO about p much everything
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The way I read it is that John and the rest of the programmers were putting more and more time into engine-building as the tech got heavier, leaving Romero and the designers twiddling their thumbs. There were also the issues of Romero not liking stagnation and Tom Hall not being huge into violent games, but with the large dead zones in id's development, it seems like the first sentence played a much larger role than people think.
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oswald ownenstein posted:I mean basically you wanted to act like you know all about the inner workings at play while actually having no clue whatsoever and it entirely being conjecture - ie. "carmack was the man with the plan and everyone else blah blah blah turnover" http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Doom-Created-Transformed-Culture/dp/0812972155 Oh poo poo what? Once again, if you know gently caress-all about Id, please share it. Saying "nuh uh you don't know anything" is loving pointless. Also read a loving book sometime. Ddraig posted:my uncle works at id, ama 
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Wait a minute, known moron Zaphod42 might be dumb about a thing? Wibby wa wa whammy, I can't believe it!
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I work at the dump. Ask me why DOOM looks and smells like garbage!
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FactsAreUseless posted:Wait a minute, known moron Zaphod42 might be dumb about a thing? Wibby wa wa whammy, I can't believe it! God drat it, now I want a Doom game starring Rick.
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Plan Z posted:The way I read it is that John and the rest of the programmers were putting more and more time into engine-building as the tech got heavier, leaving Romero and the designers twiddling their thumbs. There were also the issues of Romero not liking stagnation and Tom Hall not being huge into violent games, but with the large dead zones in id's development, it seems like the first sentence played a much larger role than people think. "Let me just say that I work in the same office building as Id and have had contact with quite a few and pretty much everything you say is completely and utterly wrong. But it's some nice speculation." 
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I'm bookmarking this thread thanks guys
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Linguica posted:counterpoint: carmack decided to gently caress off with tom hall's open-world, realistic-level, rpg-lite idea of doom and just make it a corridor shooter Everything gets better with open-world. How else are you going to pick up all 3000 mcguffins
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Ilustforponydeath posted:Everything gets better with open-world. How else are you going to pick up all 3000 mcguffins By making the McGuffins bullets that go into your gun.
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I like the new enemy designs. Definitely a step up from doom 3. Except the zombie men and I guess what are the imps look almost identical from a distance and are just varying shades of light brown. Cacodemons and pinkys look rad as hell though.
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Broose posted:I like the new enemy designs. Definitely a step up from doom 3. Except the zombie men and I guess what are the imps look almost identical from a distance and are just varying shades of light brown. Cacodemons and pinkys look rad as hell though. The designs in Retard 4 are a huge step down
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Broose posted:I like the new enemy designs. Definitely a step up from doom 3. Except the zombie men and I guess what are the imps look almost identical from a distance and are just varying shades of light brown. Cacodemons and pinkys look rad as hell though. Yeah the zombies look super lame and boring, but all the demonic monsters look pretty classic. And now that bump mapping has been replaced by normal mapping, everybody won't look like they're made of plastic ala Doom 3.
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I'm tentatively excited, that might just be the name Doom bringing back all the 90's nostalgia though. Do like the speed of the title, but think it could be a little more brutal based on the content so far. Also they removed weapon reloads for flow of the game but I kinda liked them in Brutal Doom. Maybe that was just me. Read an article in the latest Edge too and they had some pretty cool concept art speaking of hellscapes, such as a giant Demon skeleton/corpse reaching out of the ground and I immediately thought "I'd love to fight demons around that". I'll probably get a bit of fun from it at the very least, I am kinda hoping that it will be a modern popular classic FPS in terms of multiplayer too, but I doubt it after the Alpha. Maybe I let my rose tinted glasses get in the way and Quakeworld isn't as fantastic as I remember.
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I hope Oswald and Zaphod kill each other itt
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CharlestonJew posted:I hope Oswald and Zaphod kill each other itt Blackfyre's custom title is extremely apt. 
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Zaphod42 posted:http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Doom-Created-Transformed-Culture/dp/0812972155 I am sorry but you do in fact not know jack poo poo, neither do I, but I trust someone who claims to have any sort of connection to the dev team at all more than I do some random human being on the internet who spouts complete conjecture and can't handle being doubted or critisized. There is in fact a point about saying "nuh uh you don't know anything", and that point is that you do in fact not know anything about the things you are talking about. This is a true and correct statement. DOOM looks good and fun, a bit slow but still fun, I am cautiously hyped.
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Blackfyre posted:I'm tentatively excited, that might just be the name Doom bringing back all the 90's nostalgia though. Do like the speed of the title, but think it could be a little more brutal based on the content so far. Also they removed weapon reloads for flow of the game but I kinda liked them in Brutal Doom. Maybe that was just me. I agree with all of this except reloading. gently caress reloading. Bisse posted:I have read this book twice and nothing in it backs up anything you are saying about what happened post Doom 3. There is nothing in it about Rage, the Wolfenstein game, or who worked on any of those. In fact the book ends around the end of Doom 3's development and then segues into homemade rockets and broken down cars. Everything I said about Id was pre Doom3 though. Doom3 was already where Id was not the same as it used to be. All I said about post Doom 3 Id is "the same people don't work there and the games have been technically impressive but overall pretty badly designed". I don't see what's so controversial about that. The only thing I said about the internals of Id was about the Romero / Carmack dynamic based on the Doom days, which is straight out of Masters of Doom. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Feb 17, 2016 |
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"It was Carmack holding the studio together with his techno wizardry, and then a bunch of rotating new hires who worked on things like Doom 3, Wolfenstein (Blue Version), Rage, etc. Which is why games like Rage don't seem to have great design or very coherent vision. But Carmack was such a wizard the games still did okay on their technical prowess." How is that pre Doom 3? Are you travelling via TARDIS and mixing your timelines up?
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