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freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

I only got into this game this year so this is probably old news, but I'm really digging the elusive contracts. Can't think of anywhere else in modern games where you get that sense of genuine tension - can't save, can't reload etc. And it's hilarious how you can know a level inside out but because you don't know this target, you still have to improvise and gently caress up.

Just now I did the Bookkeeper, assumed from the briefing he would come up to Rose's office at some point so I spawned as a hacker and took out nearly everyone on the top floor to await him. He took foreeeeever but then eventually did come up and I was waiting outside the window of Rose's office again (and there's that tension, having no idea whether the bodyguard team will follow him in or wait outside)... and then he just went and saw the hackers and left again. So I tailed him around the compound, eventually making a move at the explosives area by chucking a bit of nitrogylcerin over the hay bales. Missed, had to gun down him and his entire team and the explosives specialists down, then scarper out the back gate while the alarms were going. 11 non-targets dead, recorded by cameras, alerts, etc - but he's dead, which is more than I can say for most of these I've tried. These contracts are great gameplay experiences.

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freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Am I correct in thinking that Hitman 2 is basically going to include all of Hitman 1? My friend somehow managed to download the whole game (Hitman 1) for "free", but only has access to the training levels, and was waiting for it to go on sale before buying it to unlock the rest of the game which I guess already downloaded onto his PS4 harddrive... anyway, is he better off just waiting for Hitman 2 and buying that?

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

You'd think having played this so much I would have figured out whether the "non-person" crowds in Paris react if you do something illegal like lethally inject an elusive target. Turns out they do! Another successful yet wildly inelegant hit.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

I'm surprised at the Marrakesh hate. I like it - the contrast between this racuous North African marketplace and the sterile, air-conditioned consulate.

My lowest maps would be either Paris or Bangkok. They're too small and feel kinda samey. But then I guess Hokkaido is pretty small too and I love it. Maybe it's more the Bondian globetrotting aspect of certain destinations that feel more fun. I do think they absolutely nail the sense of place in all of the maps.

Unlucky7 posted:

I liked all the levels to some degree (Haven’t got around to Patient Zero yet though). Though truthfully I liked Marakesh more than Bangkok and Colorado.

The final level of Patient Zero is the best experience I've had playing the game.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Hokkaido I think is loved because it presents a perfect challenge for the final mission of the game and just dares you to find holes in a truly ridiculous level of security. And you do, and make a complete mockery of the place, and feel awesome for it.

When I eventually figured out how to do a ninja costume only silent assassin run, that was good poo poo.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Watching Hitman 2 videos and I'm pleased that Kenny from Telltale's Walking Dead games continues to be employed as a security guard in various locations around the world.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

King Vidiot posted:

I think it's mainly me not bothering to open my inventory wheel. "Oh poo poo there they are.. just go up behind them and, oh, I forgot to equip something".

I'm a bad hitman.

I don't like the new horizontal wheel. What was wrong with the old one?

Also lol, went in to kill the first target and she was levitating three feet above her bed. When I was using instinct to look through the wall it seemed like she and her husband used staggered bunk beds or something.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Correct me if I'm wrong but do your challenge completions from 1 not carry over into the legacy levels?

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

elf help book posted:

Because it's good

I haven't played any maps except NZ and Miami because I'm busy unlocking all my previous unlocks. I haven't touched Red Dead, which I was obsessed with, in days. I really "love" Hitman and think it's a great game but sometimes I wonder if I "love" it in the same way a heroin addict loves heroin. Unlocking those achievements and challenges goes straight to my brain's dopamine centre. It's a good thing it's uni summer holidays because if this had come out two months ago I'd have been hosed for end of semester assignments.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Playing through Paris again and there's a bodyguard enforcer wandering around the food hall & patio area for when you're just wearing your tuxedo... was that always there? I can't think of anywhere else in the game where your starting outfit has enforcers, apart from Colorado obviously which actually makes sense (which this doesn't).

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

How do you unlock the lethal poison vial? Internet says it's level 10 mastery on either Paris or Sapienza but I've hit both of those and still don't have it. Which is frustrating because it's one of the most useful unlocks.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009


Ah thank you - I was actually looking at that list, I don't know how I missed that

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

I got into Hitman very late and missed the first round and most of the second round of elusive contracts, but the no-do-over aspect of them is really awesome and sort of unique in video games at the moment. So thus far all I've been doing in Hitman 2 is redoing all the old levels to build my arsenal back up, plus Hawke's Bay and Miami. Haven't touched the rest of the game yet. Gotta be fully prepared for Sean Bean.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

There seem to be a lot of bugs but they're the good kind of bugs which are just funny rather than game breaking. So far I've got either Alma or her husband regularly levitating above their bed in Hawke's Bay, the enforcer on the top level of the Colorado mansion consistently no-clipping through the ceiling and calmly continuing his patrol up on the roof, and another guy in Colorado going to drag a body bag but instead stopping at the last minute and moonwalking out of the area.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

I want that black suit but the only level I ever figured out how to do SASO on was Hokkaido. The thought of doing it somewhere like Bangkok or Paris, let alone Colorado... urgh. (I mean obviously I'll end up just watching some Youtube videos but still).

Do we know how frequently elusive targets are going to be coming by for this one? What was it in Hitman 1, one every fortnight?

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Managed to get SASO on Paris, Sapienza and Marrakesh. Bangkok is loving me up though - it feels like I've done it fine but when I get out it doesn't give me the rating. Where am I going wrong:

- Starting at the pier, booking it inside and shooting the lamp to fall on Ken; nobody saw me but it did go "target lockdown" and "searching"
- Going out onto the roof (shooting cameras), distracting the gardeners with coins, sneaking past the roadies out onto the drainpipe (possibly sort of getting semi-seen here, where the dashes light up around the circle above their heads - but they don't actually come over and investigate)
- Distracting the two roadies outside the sound booth one by one by turning on the nearby amp; dragging their bodies into the bathroom. They definitely didn't see me.
- Shooting Jordan when he goes into the booth. Nobody sees me. First time around I thought maybe it was because I didn't stash his body, but even when I dragged it into the bathroom and put it in the wardrobe I didn't get SASO.

What's the fail conditions? I thought you were allowed to get ? or make people be slightly suspicious as long as they don't get properly triggered and come running after you. In Marrakesh I blew the loving basement doors open with an explosive and still got SASO.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

garycoleisgod posted:

I finally managed it and I did it nearly the same as you (I poisoned Morgan though, that method is by far the easiest). Either it is bugged or maybe you got seen by the camera outside the security room? Which objective (bodies found, never spotted etc) were you failing on?

I dunno - the post-level Hitman 2 changes mean I'm not exactly sure where you see stuff, it's just that bar and all the popping up scores like "wooooh you unlocked a door 5 points."

How do you poison his food without anyone seeing, isn't the restaurant packed? I picked up the chandelier accident from a Youtube speedrun - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fXlw2CoUE


Mantis42 posted:

I did it by poisoning the cake but I had to save scum like a bitch. That level is the hardest to get SASO on, or at least it was for me, and I'm starting to hate it.

I thought to trigger Jordan to actually go to the cake you needed a disguise? I did that so long ago I've completely forgotten it.

Also as hard as it is I can't imagine it's worse than Colorado, which I'm probably just going to step-by-step shadow a Youtube video for.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

I was going to do pro for all of them but gently caress that, who needs the boring briefcase, just gimme that black suit

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

RBA Starblade posted:

Oh man Patient Zero's awesome, I love how it just gives you a chance to go to town with your automatics (and I did). The sniper level was a fun gimmick too. I wonder if the expansion will follow up on it?

This was the best part of 2016 Hitman IMO. The way it completely subverts the way you've been taught how to play the game to that point, plus the way you get sick yourself, combined with the fact that you're actually (for once) genuinely saving the world and risking your life in the process. It has an actual sense of dramatic gravitas. The perfect soundtrack definitely helps - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utc5YvD0Prg

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Finally got SASO on Bangkok by poisoning the food - I think it is possible to get away with dropping the chandelier on him but his bodyguard often gets caught in it too. I would have got SASO on Colorado as well but some fucker found the unconscious west bridge gate guards I thought I'd hidden well.

Thoughts on moving through the next couple of Hitman 2 maps:
- Having Western voice actors put on Hispanic and Indian accents is maybe a wee bit more problematic than the amusing Hitman 1 solution of just pretending everybody in the world sounds American
- Why did they think wandering through the slums visually inspecting the teeming masses of India to identify a target would be fun (also, lol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsZ5Y7RwVh0)
- I really love the way the music in Whittleton Creek seems to be aiming for that misty-eyed Sim City civic pride vibe

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

OK yeah I checked imdb and it looks like a lot of Indian and Hispanic names there. Although the characters are credited as "Hindi woman 1" etc and Mumbai ain't Hindi. edit - wait yes it is I was thinking of Calcutta. In conclusion, IOI have done well.

freebooter fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Nov 27, 2018

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

King Vidiot posted:

Well yeah, I think that happens because you got spotted. If you don't get seen by the victim whose clothes you take, them getting woken up doesn't matter. In the old games a naked person, dead or alive, whether they've seen you or not, who gets spotted will immediately blow your disguise. For that matter a person would wake up after a set amount of time to go running to the nearest person and also blow your disguise that way.

That was fine for the old games because the levels were small and playtime was short. It'd be loving annoying in the new games because if some random NPC paths into an unconscious body or a dead body and runs and tells on you then that half-hour would be completely wasted.

I've knocked a security guard out, taken his clothes, hid in a nearby storage locker and then had that guy come right up to the locker - this was when I first started playing the game and wasn't sure if people could rumble you from concealment like in MGS - and he rummaged through the locker that I was in to get a new uniform.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Just did the exterminator disguise in Whittleton Creek for the first time and pumping the house full of poison and watching a dozen bodyguards trudge out in single file to go vomit in the creek was absolutely magical

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

What are the quickest and easiest three ways to get the intel you need in Whittleton? I'm thinking picture in Janus' basement, the lawsuit file in the backyard shed and the journal the guy is reading down by the river - do they add up to enough to get you through? The prompts don't help, they're constantly telling you to go get the microfilm, which has to be the hardest and most time consuming way. This is Hitman 2's version of the Sapienza virus.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

where the red fern gropes posted:

dig up cigar box (hard to spot, you have to know exactly where it is)

Is this "someone was burying something by the frog habitat," which I assume is the same spot where the gardener is saying that but have never been able to find anything?

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

DLC Inc posted:

the number one strange thing that nobody questions is absolutely "that man followed another person into a single-man bathroom." From the getgo with Paris and perhaps the easiest kill (bareknuckle boxer) you're allowed to follow Viktor in, even with his guard standing outside, and nobody gives a gently caress. If most of the bathrooms simply had like 2 stalls in it, it would remedy this conundrum, but almost every single one in the game is a big fancy lavatory designed for one person.

I guess you could assume both people are washing their hands if two go in??? To me it's definitely the strangest act that is completely overlooked by other characters.

The funniest thing I've had happen is waiting in a Paris bathroom for some heat to die down elsewhere, crouched in the corner dressed like a clown, and one of the makeup artist guys came in, whistling, stood over the toiler, unzipped, took a good long piss and then walked out, whistling all the while. And I was definitely in full view of him, squatting right next to the toilet. He didn't bat an eyelid.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Is the only way to destroy the package in Whittleton to blow it up? I chucked it in the river and didn't get the accomplishment.

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freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

The idea anyone could compare and contrast the plot in 1 and 2 is baffling to me, they are both sub-Bournean cliche filler full of codenames and melodramatic phone conversations and meetings in parking garages. Yawn. They're also completely at odds with a) the more cartoonish nature of the actual gameplay, and b) the more subtle character stuff you slowly figure out through organic gameplay. Unless that's just a measure of how I'm more willing to tolerate a James Bond teenage power fantasy while playing a video game compared to if I have to actually sit there and watch it like a film.

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