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Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015


Stapelfahrer Klaus really needs to go in the OP of all OSHA threads, since it comes up so often.

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Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Boko Haram posted:

My warehouse just got inspected by OSHA last week while I was on holiday. Had at least 20 violations posted on our entrance when I came back to work. I'll see if I can grab a quick picture or quote some good poo poo come monday.

Not really surprising, given your organization's track record of casualties

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

tater_salad posted:

The next stage that should have made them want to stop was the fact that the mechanism was actively trying not to be removed.

I'm gobsmacked that they literally wanted to remove the safety mechanism to use elsewhere and it didn't occur to them that this was what was keeping the device safe. It's like clipping your harness to a support and then dismantling the support, and expecting the harness to protect you.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Crazy Ted posted:

It's high time to repost a classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI

"It's all just dirt under there, isn't it?"

:stare: that's incredible. I was going to say it's like something straight out of Dwarf Fortress, but it's actually worse.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015


That looks like it was fun to shoot

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

JB50 posted:

Not eastern european so clearly fake.

Well, that and frag grenades don't blast people through the air with no injuries, on a trajectory matching being yanked by a rope

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I fell like in any well-ordered society this sort of tactic wouldn't just end in prosecution, but in people being dragged from their offices and hung from lamp posts.

Wow. Uh, your av/red text is spot on.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Well no, it's the exact opposite if you have even the vaguest idea of what I'm alluding to but whatever.
Mate, your idea of a "well ordered society" involves publicly executing wrongdoers. If that's not a "dystopian, authoritarian regime" I don't know what is.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The BRCT came because I explained how British porn laws are dumb, but not dumb in the way the internet hivemind thinks, but that nobody will change them because the tabloids will crucify them.

(Admittedly this was in the middle of a mini-meltdown where I was going against another part of the internet hivemind about surveillance powers but as I was specifically saying that they should be changed and the BRCT mentions how it's too hard to change things I assume someone objected to that part, because drat nerds love their porn).

Anyway the allusion was to the Paris commune hanging tax farmers and landlords, almost the exact opposite of an authoritarian regime at least at the time (let's pretend the rest of it didn't happen) and was - and this is going to be a shock to you as a reader of the Something Awful Forums For Completely Sincere Posting, so I want to you to sit down and maybe have a Camomile Tea as you read this part - not actually 100% serious.

You have to admit, the post/av combo by itself was pretty amazing.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

One of the related videos:nms: has a bunch of videos of guests at middle eastern weddings accidentally getting shot.
It turns out that firing an AK47 into the air one handed while you're dancing and not really paying much attention can sometimes have negative consequences!

What do you mean? Seems perfectly safe
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LLkP3LGPIW0&t=2m45

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

EKDS5k posted:

I walk under boom lifts all the time, if something is safe enough to be in while it's raised, it's safe enough to walk under. They all have holding valves that prevent the hydraulics from falling even if all pressure is lost. He still shouldn't have been drilling/working while she was there, though.

I thought the risk was the person in the lift accidentally dropping something from height, not the lift falling.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015


Come on, man. It's not like cameras are rocket science

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015


Haha, just as it got to him taking off, I got an email. My email sound is the rocket launcher from Doom

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

chitoryu12 posted:

In an emergency, the helicopter can also double as a wrecking ball.

Whether it wants to or not

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

theflyingexecutive posted:

Cool Snapple cap fact. Too bad it's only true about 10% of your skin cells; the rest will gleefully accumulate UV damage throughout your life despite your second grade-level understanding of dermatology.

Instead of "'no it isn't!' 'yes it is!' 'no it isn't'" level arguing, how about someone post a reference to back up their claims either way?

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015


Those look like antitank mines, though. They're designed to only be set off by the weight of vehicles.

I guess it's still not the safest idea, to be fair.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

dr_rat posted:

....I've never wanted a hump a bridge more in my life.

I shall prove myself a better bridge humper then that fool that tried and so badly failed before me.

We are a peaceful fellatiocracy! We need no knob ruckus.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Mosquitoes are one of the few species we could wipe out and probably see a net benefit.

Probably not, after all the things that eat mosquitoes, mosquito eggs and mosquito larvae die out as a result, then all the things that eat them, then all the things that eat them etc.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Delivery McGee posted:

So, what, dragonflies (the larvae eat mosquito larvae and the adults eat adult mosquitoes)? Anything that eats dragonflies can learn to eat other bug that eat less offensive things. Hell, dragonflies could probably find something else to eat. Overall, a positive. Or a complete collapse of the ecosystem in which the dragonflies and the small birds/bats/dragonflies/etc wipe out their alternate prey species due to eating more of them rather than mosquitoes, which apparently scientists don't think will happen.

Or, worst case, the dragonflies/bats/etc. evolve to feed on mammals (hell, the bats are partially there already) and we just end up with much larger, cuter mosquito-equivalents. OTOH, we could just wear full-face helmets and Kevlar clothing and carry a tennis racket around if we needed to swat those.

Oh, ok. I'm sure that's all of the things that eat mosquitos. Definitely none we don't know about. Genocide away! What could possibly go wrong?

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Greatest Living Man posted:

Back when montage parodies were actually funny

idk. Except for the antisemitism out of nowhere I thought it was pretty funny.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

DOOP posted:

what is this?

Oh they're just digging through the aquifer layers.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

chitoryu12 posted:

The weight probably was a defining factor, as it kept the ship from evening out like they intended to do by rolling the cannons back into place and eventually enough water flooded in that they couldn't right the ship. Apparently the lighter actually kept the ship from sinking immediately, as it was caught underneath and shoved down into the water first.

900 people died in the sinking (including 600 women and 30 children). One of them was Rear-Admiral Richard Kempenfelt, who was using the Royal George as his flagship at the time; he was writing in his cabin and the rolling ship jammed the doors so he drowned. The captain on deck, Martin Waghorn, was thrown from the ship but rescued.

The ensuing court martial officially declared that no individuals were responsible for the sinking, and instead decided that the ship was in a "general state of decay" and the hull must have broken under the weight of the cannons being rolled to one side. Modern interpretations put the blame on Lieutenant Philip Charles Durham, the officer of the watch at the time of the sinking, for allowing water to accumulate on the gundeck until so much of it was sloshing around (think carrying a 5 gallon tub of water and feeling the weight of the water shift it in your hands as it sloshes back and forth) that it compromised the stability.

Wait, what? Two thirds of the personnel onboard at the time were civilians? I'm surprised by that. I would have thought, at the time, it would have been only about double the complement if that, with the extras onboard being sweethears/wives or whores. Where's the extra 300 civilians coming from?

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Jet Jaguar posted:

Flip the screwdriver safety switch with your one remaining hand.

Bah, not even. You'd only lose your hand it you held it exactly at the focal point, ignoring the rapidly increasing pain, ignoring the accelerating, horribly appealing stench of burnt human flesh as the device slowly chews its way into you. It's slow and agonising but you're holding your hand in the beam nonetheless. Why are you doing that? Why are you doing that, Jet Jaguar? Why?

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

This is the de facto "public infrastructure breaking in interesting ways" thread, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqjQ4hQ5qXg

Walking home from work, I saw water streaming out onto the road. Then I noticed a crack in the road itself, with water coming out, and started taking a video. Then, while I'm shooting, I noticed holes all along the edge of the road with water bubbling up out of them. So... hopefully there isn't a raging underground river burst water main about to burst through and completely gently caress up the road, or something.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Sirotan posted:

Do you have a city public works/411 type phone number you can call to alert someone? Cuz that'll be a massive sink hole before too long.

Yeah, I looked up who does the water infrastructure for that area and gave them a ring. The thought did occur to me that tomorrow when I go to work there might be a huge freakin' pit in the way...

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Hyperlynx posted:

Yeah, I looked up who does the water infrastructure for that area and gave them a ring. The thought did occur to me that tomorrow when I go to work there might be a huge freakin' pit in the way...

Well, no gigantic sinkhole this morning. I must confess I'm a little disappointed.

The thought also occurred to me that the cracks in the road were probably already there to begin with, rather than caused by water forcing its way to the surface. Much less dramatic.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Arsenic Lupin posted:

It's worth knowing that that YouTube video was funded by the rail interests in Australia in lieu of making road/rail crossings safer. I forget the cost tradeoff between making the video and putting in modern crossing equipment, but it was substantial.

Bullshit. Prove it. Link your sources if you're going to make such outrageous claims.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015


"You call that a roadblock?"

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Last night I dreamed I was a fairground guy responsible for one of these things: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout_(play)

Except it was suspended on a pole about 10m high. Instead of using your feet to push yourself around, there was a rope suspended from a nearby pole around 12m tall, to pull yourself around. No safety rail.

Access either by climbing a ladder straight up, or hauling yourself up the rope, which dangled all the way to the ground.

Hyperlynx fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Oct 19, 2016

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Rough Lobster posted:

They should just brick it up permanently.

I like this solution.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Azhais posted:

What's a ute?

A "truck", if you're American. I think.

I saw a billboard ad over here for Ram Trucks, featuring utes, and was like "that's not a truck, this is a truck"! I've only ever heard "truck" used to refer to I think what you guys call a "semitrailer".

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Platystemon posted:



Australians call these trucks, too, right?

Yeah, thing with a big box on the back. That's a truck. Not a van or a ute, though, those are vans and utes.

e: come to think of it, maaaaaybe that's a van too. When someone says "van" I think of those squat boxy things plumbers and electricians drive, though.

Hyperlynx fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Jan 14, 2017

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofrqm6-LCqs

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Lights don't go on automatically in Australia, but the prevailing wisdom is that if you're driving in the country you should keep them switched on even in the day. Nobody does it in the city or suburbs, though, and I'm not really sure they're wrong.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

I feel that a lot of software development is similar, where there's code nobody's touched for ten years, it's not documented or is poorly documented, stuff that seemed like a good idea at the time now looks strange and unconventional, and you just have to reverse engineer it to figure out how it works.

Also, I used to work for companies that sell computerised ways of storing and organising plant data. I noted that there was a tendency sometimes for customers to think they could just throw computers at the problem and that would solve it. They hadn't implemented good data management and management-of-change policies in the first place, and that was the core problem. Our stuff would allow them to computerise processes like that, but not bring organisation to chaos just by itself.

Also: apparently engineers REALLY loving love Excel spreadsheets. Sooo much writing importers to load data from Excel spreadsheets...

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

boner confessor posted:

i used to work for a company that did business software, one of our clients was a huge financial institution you've heard of and probably have done business with, and it turned out that a number of senior VPs in their analytics department just emailed each other these giant excel files stuffed full of sensitive data, unencrypted, not even password protected or anything. just customer_database__creditrating_shoesize.xlsx (15) all day long

That reminds me. More than once when writing these spreadsheet importers, the only sample data we had on hand was password protected. Good thing Excel password protection is a joke. xlsx files are just zip files full of XML, so you just unzip them, find the fields that switch on password protection, and erase them. Et voila! You can open the data without a password and get the effing job done.

Reluctance to let us access systems we were helping implement, or data we were helping import, was also a PITA. We weren't competitors, we had no goddamn interest in the data other than to help get it into our system, and maintenance data is hardly sensitive information anyway!

To say nothing of getting our software installed or upgraded by screensharing with a tech in the Philippines to access a server in Singapore for a company in Perth, and having to dictate every step of the operation for him to type in, because they were incapable of reading either the packaged manual nor the idiot-proofed install steps they demanded we write for them, and because granting me direct access to just do it myself in 5 mins would be verboten.

Hyperlynx fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Feb 5, 2017

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

Keiya posted:

To be fair, this is because spreadsheets are probably the single best invention in computing since computers themselves. Turns out exposing basic programming to users in a way that hides the scary words is incredibly powerful.

They are very powerful, yes, and there are some very clever, creative spreadsheet based systems out there for controlling the quality of engineering data. But past a certain level of complexity (and I posit a chemical plant is at that level) it works better to use a specialised program.

Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

zedprime posted:

ASPEN goes so far as to let you import Excel spreadsheets for custom simulation programming (because the alternative is scripting in a C variant, javascript, etc. and that's a lot rarer of a talent in the industry).

Meanwhile I've seen enough several thousand dollars per seat programs who's entire function is to supply managers with control charts while the engineer who knows how to use Excel and Minitab is on vacation because the Six Sigma god demands sacrifices of charts.

If nothing Excel becomes a necessary step in a workflow because its useful for marshaling data from one function to another. The major functions something like a chemical plant engineering team is working on are simulation, trending/stats analyses, and financial. You've got various simulation programs that are incredibly useful like ASPEN or pipe sims, you've got Minitab (hopefully, or they've cheaped out and given you a more academic focused stats program) for stats, and SAP for financial, and Excel to tie them together or massage presentation modes together. You can pay big bucks per seat on modules that tie ASPEN and plant statistics together and everybody has a Six Sigma flavored stats program to sell but its hard to argue with Excel being relatively pennies for a seat.

But a lot of it goes back to Keiya's point. The common thread of ASPEN, Minitab, SAP, and Excel is they expose databases and database manipulation in a way you don't need to learn C, javascript, or SQL and there isn't the critical mass of the magic combination of industry expert and programmer to create anything more bespoke than ASPEN sims, Minitab templates, SAP batches, or Excel sheets per process.

I've heard of ASPEN before, but don't know anything about it, so I can't really comment on it, though I believe we considered them competitors. Our stuff was focused on plant maintenance exclusively. To that end, it aimed to help build up an accurate picture of exactly what functional locations are in the plant, what the manufacturer and model is for that part, and if necessary what specific asset/serial number is installed in a location (for pressure sensitive valves mostly, as far as I know).

Then you have bills of material, maintenance manuals and manufacturer's manuals, for a given model by a given manufacturer.

Then you can define preventative maintenance plans for all your FooCorp brand #353 Cardinal Grammeters based on the manufacturer's recommendation.

So, you can plan ahead for what maintenance when you send the technician out to do the maintenance, you can find ahead of time exactly what procedure docs and spare parts, and equip them accordingly. That's particularly important for things like oil rigs, where it's expensive to get the tech to and from site, so if they've got the wrong parts it's a huge waste of time and money.

To get back to spreadsheets, that end of things is (for us) getting data into the system in the first place. Part of that is simple checking for mistakes or missing data (did you fill out the criticality field? Is the functional location tag actually a valid, existing tag?). Those rules are probably supposed to get defined at the start of a project for a new plant module or whatever, but it seems that they need to change over time instead. What if you thought at the start that all your pipes need to be colour coded red, green or brown, your spreadsheet has a dropdown box to enforce that, but then later on in the project you find out you actually need blue and yellow pipes as well? Or that you don't need brown ones after all? You've got to update the spreadsheet and make sure everyone has the new version, and is working with the new version, rather than simply changing the value in the one system everyone logs into, so that it's definitely correct and up to date for everyone.

Part of it is also helping automate management of change, where you want to review the data with human eyes before you put it in the system, so the software had workflow capability built in. So instead of emailing around versions of Excel files and manually teaching who's approved what version of what, you get the system to pass on to the appropriate person the objects they need to approve. They can see all the data connected with those objects, including existing data in the system that's relevant to them, rather then only the data in the spreadsheet and what related info they can dig up manually.

Finally, there's some degree of trying to keep track of what's actually, currently in the plant "as built" verses what's been designed to be changed, so that you don't try to do maintenance on bits that aren't there yet. Admittedly we didn't really support that part without some fiddling and custom work, though we should have.

Anyway, if nothing else, centralising all the info in one database avoids overhead and mistakes from emailing copies of data around.

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Hyperlynx
Sep 13, 2015

SAP scares me. It's like it was designed by people who love filling out tax returns.

As it happens, our stuff was intended to synch with SAP, though that functionality didn't work very well (because SAP's API had long standing bugs they said they weren't going to fix). Anyway, as I understand it, quite often our stuff got used as a "staging area" for accumulating an sanitising data, with SAP being the actual one true source of info. We'd export data to be imported by the SAP guys.

I honestly have no idea whether that works better or not than our stuff being the source of truth. Not that we could do all the other stuff SAP can do. And, ultimately, we hadn't solved the problem of data handover from the engineering/construction company to the operating company any better than anyone else. Our stuff was geared for the owner/operators.

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