[MAFIA] XCOM: A Nailbiter Setup

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Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

pretending the others claim backups, that's 4 scum out of 10 players, so 40%

but what's important is that the two claimed miller's almost certainly have 4 night lives (if godfather and bulletproof) or 3 (if another scum and bulletproof). The SK HAS to chew through that to win.

That's a safe buffer to let them live and concentrate on finding the sk. When the SK is dead, then we can revisit this, but I don't think it's a good idea to kill one of them until the sk does or is dead

NEWSFLASH, KK: The Bulletproof Godfather is PERMANENTLY BP. The Godfather must be lynched in order for the SK to win. Does that change your calculus?

the OP posted:

Scum BP Godfather Central Officer Bradford "

Even after the failure of the first XCOM, you never gave up hope. Now, your every day is another chance to find the Commander and take back the planet from the alien scum. You and your team have been presented with a juicy target deep in the heart of an Advent city, and you'll be damned if you're going to let this opportunity slip. These rookies may not have the same experience and training as you do, but your own ability as a ground commander should prove more than enough.

You are Central Officer Bradford. You cannot be killed at night, and will investigate as LOYAL. If you choose to make the scum kill yourself, you will lose both of these powers for the night.

You win when XCOM has complete control over the area of operations, and controls the vote."

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 18:33

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

kordansk posted:

Fine, I am a backup, can we get back to playing mafia now?

That's better.

##Vote chaoslord

chaoslord is a major lurker. Prove me wrong.
Fun fact: Tommunist was Scum in BOTH previous Nailbiter games. Could he be batting 1000?

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 03:52

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

the OP posted:

Scum BP Godfather Central Officer Bradford "

Even after the failure of the first XCOM, you never gave up hope. Now, your every day is another chance to find the Commander and take back the planet from the alien scum. You and your team have been presented with a juicy target deep in the heart of an Advent city, and you'll be damned if you're going to let this opportunity slip. These rookies may not have the same experience and training as you do, but your own ability as a ground commander should prove more than enough.

You are Central Officer Bradford. You cannot be killed at night, and will investigate as LOYAL. If you choose to make the scum kill yourself, you will lose both of these powers for the night.

You win when XCOM has complete control over the area of operations, and controls the vote."

That's what Godfather means.

Khris Kruel posted:

well then one of our "millers" will investigate town

Where did you even get the idea that fakeclaiming Miller would be something the Scum BP Godfather would do? That would be a bad fakeclaim to make.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 03:55

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

The SK can be Copped and comes back as NOT LOYAL. If the SK attacks a Doc-protected or Jailed target, the Doc or Jailer gets "success" but the kill happens (which tips them off that the kill was performed by the SK). If a Jailer or Roleblocker targets the SK, they get the message "your action failed", which can indicate that they may have just found the SK (depending on what other roles are still alive/claimed actions/etc.)

It's all in the OP.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:00

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

no it's not

Look again.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:05

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:08

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

Lol you haven't played this setup before have you

He sure acts like he has it all figured out, despite not having apparently read the OP.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:15

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

enlighten me bitches

For maximum enlightenment, read [MAFIA] Battlestar Galactica II: Bastille Day, and for a quicker read, the Scumdoc of that game, which is pretty much a hashed-out masterclass of the ins and outs of this setup.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:18

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

Dunno how you guys aren't voting bird strike, the guy who is so lacking in confidence for his counterclaim he immediately went to vote someone else and hasn't gone back to that. It's fake as gently caress

I also dislike that he claimed Backup, then Power, then counterclaimed Miller.... those breadcrumbs tho...

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:20

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

no gently caress you. My theory is mathematically sound, so explain the holes

Let's just see what happens. I think you'll be surprised at the things you are overlooking. It will be a NAILBITER�, I guarantee it.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:23

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

how about you go gently caress yourself you piece of poo poo

calm down

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:25

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

the only thing that would deviate from my theory is if the sk and scum play suboptimally

Well, apparently one of them already has, by fakeclaiming Miller.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:29

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I think it's better to resolve the Miller situation now. Mislynching a Backup is bad news.

The SK, Ninja, Poisoner, and Roleblocker all have reason to want to be able to fakeclaim Miller, because it is the only refuge if they get confronted with a Cop investigation.
Leaving fake breadcrumbs would be wise. Using them to fake counterclaim, maybe not. But on the other hand, they are useless for the Cop refuting scenario if the Miller has claimed, so there's pressure to react immediately to a claim.
Would Aafter just completely stumble into claiming Miller in the way he did, by appealing to Mafia rule of thumb, if it was a false claim? I kind of doubt that.

Along with the flapping between initially claiming Backup, then Power, then Miller, I conclude that Birdstrike is indeed the more full of poo poo of the two. The breadcrumbs are not so convincing as I think about it more, they are just as likely a nice gambit.
##Vote Birdstrike

Like I said before, the Miller is a pretty good mislynch to risk since it can't be inherited. And if we lynch correctly we will not only get rid of someone bad but also have a very useful confirmed Town that's hard to dislodge. It's also better for Town to lynch a non-Godfather Scum than the Godfather at this point, to keep the SK down a bit (or lynch the SK).

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:43

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

mislynching the actual BP miller is waaaay worse than mislynching a backup

No actually not. A Backup is effectively just as vital and important as your best Power Role. The Miller is a distraction and a hiding place for Scum. Sure the Miller could prevent a single kill if they don't claim, but if claimed then they just get poisoned. Poison bypasses the BP, as you'd know if you read the OP or the past game.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:49

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

2) the sk and scum go from 10 nk's to chew through the power roles to 8 nks. We're doing their work for them

Your math is wrong, you are not accounting for Poison.

Besides, "lessening the Backup pool" is not necessarily inherently good. That's where the Cop and Jailer go fishing.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:51

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

KK, there's no need to burn through those kills, the Miller is just one vote, can be endgamed. If we don't sort this now, that's what happens. Birdstrike and Aafter won't be touched at night except as last resort, because whichever of them isn't the real Miller doesn't want the other to flip.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 04:54

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

If the SK has fakeclaimed Backup, the only Town Power Role that the SK has to worry about is Tracker. The SK ideally wants to eliminate all the Scum as fast as possible so that they will have no fear of the nightkill. The SK will DEMAND to lynch from the Backup pool because the SK must get the Godfather lynched.

I say we must resolve the Millers. KK has no reason to be so hung up on the possibility of mislynching our shittiest and uninheritable role in exchange for a guaranteed good lynch D2, but more probably using this opportunity to catch a badguy D1 and make the Miller actually useful as a Confirmed Town hard target.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 05:06

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

the two claimed millers aren't going anywhere. We need to flush out the scum for day 1 and give us a better situation in day 2, in which we have more information and can make a better decision on the miller situation

This is an anti-Town position. If we let the claimed pair sit, they will sit forever. We could mislynch a series of Townies. If we take action, we get a guaranteed Scum or SK lynch either D1 or D2. There's not going to be any additional information on either of the claimed Millers on D2, no reason for any power role to target either of them.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 05:15

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

With both of the refusers voting the same claimed Miller, I reassess. I'm pretty torn between the two, both seem Scummy and neither seems very motivated to prove themselves and get the other lynched. The real Miller is not being very helpful here, whichever it is.

##vote Aafter

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 15:46

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Aafter posted:

Yeah. I'm actually at a hotel until Thursday where the wifi has just awful signal.

Bullshit.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 15:48

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Aafter posted:

Am I allowed to provide a screenshot?

I believe you are at a hotel, but I disbelieve that the wifi is so bad that you would totally be posting and participating more but oh shucks that darn wifi. It reeks of a bullshit Scummy excuse for lurking.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 16:10

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

So I thought about it last night, and I think the clear optimal path for town is to have the activated powers NOT claim, and hide in the backups anonymously with their roles.

That allows us to resolve this miller issue

IF YOU ARE AN ACTIVATED BACKUP PLEASE DO NOT CLAIM

I strongly agree.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 16:19

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

kordansk posted:

Why were you so willing to try and 'break' the setup D1 harping about getting everyone to claim only to 180 on it later?

The experimental variable I was willing to try was a D1 mass softclaim, which I think the setup handles robustly. I think it's pretty neutral. The plan was kind of hosed up in a bad way for Town if KK is really Jailer, and if Aafter is really the Miller.

In general I think that the best strategy for Town is to only claim later, when there are night results that can be productively shared. So after the D1 softclaim (which I feel normally opposed to but wanted to try for this game experimentally), I don't expect or endorse further claiming without good reason.

My advice is that an inheritor should claim if and when they have informationto share that they believe could lead to catching a threat to Town, or if they are at -2.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:14

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Aafter posted:

The only logical conclusion to our weirdness is that we're both scum and this is our master plan.

This has crossed my mind, and would be so very very stupid.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:15

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

yeah lumpen is scum

Unless chaoslord or Tommunist show up and claim Power, then even you have the reasoning ability to dismiss that as a possibility.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:18

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

Guess you don't have me on ignore so.

WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING MY QUESTION

What is your question? I explained why I'm voting for Aafter. Did you have a different question?

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:23

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Aafter posted:

I wasn't sure what he was implying. I figured it out and posted wtf.

Tell us the story of how you decided to claim Miller. What's the narrative of you reading the wiki and coming to that descision?

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:25

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

The logic is that I think he will flip Scum based on his posting and actions, despite whatever you're attempting to excuse him with.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:27

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

If, however, we lynch BS, his flip will give a large amount of information about what my alignment likely is as well as Aafter's alignment.

Lynching Aafter accomplishes the same.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:29

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Birdstrike posted:

props to you Aafter if you're town

What is with this post? (If you're counterclaiming a guy who has fakeclaimed your role, how does it make any sense to say 'if you're Town')? It doesn't even make sense as a joke.

Why did Aafter reply "thanks!" to it?

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:35

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

It seems like they are both full of poo poo. I would vote either one as long as one of them gets lynched today I am satisfied.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:36

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Aafter posted:

It's nothing spectacular. I caught up on the thread. Saw that everyone was soft claiming and assumed I should follow suit.

After that I went to the wiki to read about my role and decided that the smart thing to do as a newbie was to follow policy. So I claimed.

So you would have us believe in the 13 minutes between those posts you were just randomly inspired to go do some wiki reading despite the cripplingly terrible wifi at your motel and then blindly follow wiki advice without considering that this is an open setup witha BP Miller, not a closed setup with a regular Miller. You did that reading in those 13 minutes, not when you got your role PM, is that right?

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:43

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

I like Lumpen getting suss on BS now that people are really going for it.

I was voting Birdstrike before, until you and kordansk jumped on.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 17:44

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

JakeP posted:

Is it really better to vote between the millers today? I feel like voting a backup is still the right move, and we can deal with the millers at another time. Blacksail or whatever is scummy as heck

If I had to vote one of the millers i am leaning towards aafter, but a lot of Kashs points regarding BS really resonate with me as well. I'm on the fence i guess

It is vital to resolve any counterclaim situation immediately.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 18:05

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Tommunist was here at 3:08 yesterday to make a few totally contentless posts. Then posted elsewhere on the forums 5 times between 15:00 and 18:00.

If we don't lynch a claimed Miller I would suggest Tommunist.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 18:09

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Khris Kruel posted:

not always.

But if the backups don't claim, then I agree with you. If the backups would claim as soon as they got their new role, then no I disagree with you

Inheritors should not claim unless they have useful night action results or they are voted to -2!

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 18:12

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Chaoslord hasn't posted on the forum in days.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 18:20

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

##vote Birdstrike

I think chaoslord and Tommunist are not going to show up. I'm fine with ending the day whenever.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 20:22

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

code:

Khris Kruel	150
Kashuno 	93
Lumpen  	78
Birdstrike	76
JakeP	        73
King Burgundy	67
kordansk	32
Amoeba102	29
****MOD LINE****
Friction.123	27
***LURKER ZONE OF SHAME***
GulagDolls	22
Aafter 	        20
blackcross	18
Tommunist	12
Jon Irenicus	8
Tricky	        6
Tremendous Taste5
chaoslord	1

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 20:52

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 18:33

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

A consequence of this sort of D1 massclaim plan that I hadn't considered is that once powers are claimed, lurkers can lurk harder without the usual fear that it'll get them nightkilled.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2016 23:32

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