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Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

This deserves more than a single mention in the Linux thread, so here it is:

What Is Vulkan 1.0

Vulkan is The Khronos Group's answer to Microsoft DirectX 12, Apple's Metal, and the former AMD Mantle API for providing high-performance graphics. Yes, Vulkan started out as being based upon AMD's Mantle tech, but it has evolved well beyond where it was left by AMD. While some people on web forums and elsewhere have talked of Vulkan as a re-branded Mantle, that is not true and has changed significantly since then -- it's no longer tied to AMD's GCN hardware design, Vulkan fits use-cases across all ecosystems, the API has evolved a lot after being reviewed by many different parties, etc. Khronos President Neil Trevett made it quite clear that Vulkan is much more than just a slightly different take on Mantle.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=vulkan-10

Please post about how Vulkan is gonna deprecate Windows as a gamer OS in this thread!

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GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

no

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

why is the linux thread full of people who are never seen elsewhere in teh pos. same as the cat thread, the android thread, etc. i don't like it. nope

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Tankakern posted:

This deserves more than a single mention in the Linux thread, so here it is:

What Is Vulkan 1.0

Vulkan is The Khronos Group's answer to Microsoft DirectX 12, Apple's Metal, and the former AMD Mantle API for providing high-performance graphics. Yes, Vulkan started out as being based upon AMD's Mantle tech, but it has evolved well beyond where it was left by AMD. While some people on web forums and elsewhere have talked of Vulkan as a re-branded Mantle, that is not true and has changed significantly since then -- it's no longer tied to AMD's GCN hardware design, Vulkan fits use-cases across all ecosystems, the API has evolved a lot after being reviewed by many different parties, etc. Khronos President Neil Trevett made it quite clear that Vulkan is much more than just a slightly different take on Mantle.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=vulkan-10

Please post about how Vulkan is gonna deprecate Windows as a gamer OS in this thread!

lol

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

whenever I see your avatar I think to myself that it's a shame i lurked too late to experience teapot first hand

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

Intel's given out a driver already! http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Mesa-Vulkan-Published

Not shocking that the only big one not managing to have something on launch day was AMD

suffix
Jul 27, 2013

Wheeee!
i can't wait to maybe play a game that uses a game engine that uses vulkan in five year's time

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
i doubt we'll ever see a triple a game but we might see some cool indie stuff

Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer
2016 is truly the year of linux on the gaming desktop

Oh wait, no, sorry, the sound card still doesn't work

Phoenixan
Jan 16, 2010

Just Keep Cool-idge

suffix posted:

i can't wait to maybe play a game that uses a game engine that uses vulkan in five year's time
and it'll be a game released this year only 5 years from now also

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

hm, since you bring it up, I guess it's because of this that this meme started



all you really need is pulseaudio (or jack if you're a musician), it's actually mandatory to use pulseaudio if you want steam to work

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003


hmm... looks like an api for babies op
and lol it still says opengl on the table.

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

from article linked in op
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEG5SSqEPdU
:yeah:

Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer
this seems all very... illogical

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder
quick someone fork it and name it romulan

N.Z.'s Champion
Jun 8, 2003

Yam Slacker

exe cummings
Jan 22, 2005


lol

Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

quick someone fork it and name it romulan

considering the naming scheme, I'd go with Romulus

Though then we'll have a fork based on porn games called Risa

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

im the word clipart from 1997

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy

graph posted:

im the word clipart from 1997

well in that case u suck lol

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

well in that case u suck lol

:thurman:

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Tankakern posted:

Intel's given out a driver already! http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Mesa-Vulkan-Published

Not shocking that the only big one not managing to have something on launch day was AMD

Intel's launch day driver straight up says in the README that it doesn't even run outside of the source tree yet. It's rushed as hell, but that's fine, they're not pretending it's anything else. Also support for less-than-bleeding-edge GPU generations isn't 100% there yet.

I'm tentatively excited for Vulkan but there's no guarantee it will gain any traction. It will be great if it does, there's no room for the crazy driver heuristic bullshit that is the D3D/OpenGL driver landscape at the moment, so you could end up with simple and performant open-source GPU drivers. Knowing nVidia though they'll still probably wholesale replace particular games' shader binaries with hand-tuned replacements though lol.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
Also please don't link to Phoronix because dear god is Michael Larabel ever an insufferable cretinous fuckstick

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Mr Dog posted:

...it doesn't even run ... It's rushed as hell... Also support ... isn't 100% there yet.

... there's no guarantee it will gain any traction....

opensource_development.odf

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

Some typical management at AMD that they could not release non-beta anything for an API derived from their own offering.

Baxate
Feb 1, 2011

there was an article on anandtech that vulkan is slower than opengl for amd video cards

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
Also I'm the implication that people will stop shipping UE3 games any time soon or that UE3 will be ported to Vulkan

It's like the Windows XP of game engines

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Mr Dog posted:

I'm tentatively excited for Vulkan but there's no guarantee it will gain any traction.

what's the alternative? you either write a modern vulkan renderer which runs everywhere, or you spend the next decade maintaining a modern and legacy pipeline until anything older than win10 is eol-ed and continue to pay people to port your code to other platforms. if that metalvk things pans out you can run on mac too.

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!

Ludwig van Halen posted:

there was an article on anandtech that vulkan is slower than opengl for amd video cards

well yeah amd has no drivers yet and amd drivers are trash

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Ludwig van Halen posted:

there was an article on anandtech that vulkan is slower than opengl for amd video cards

computerbase did the same benchmark yesterday and their results were quite different

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

Mr Dog posted:

Also please don't link to Phoronix because dear god is Michael Larabel ever an insufferable cretinous fuckstick

But he's like the only one who reports on linux graphics development out there

My Linux Rig
Mar 27, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!

Celexi posted:

amd drivers are trash

lol if u amd

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

The_Franz posted:

what's the alternative?

DX9 and DX12. Technical merit is nothing, money and status quo are everything.

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

sorry why do we need another graphics API?

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

well in that case u suck lol

l m f a o

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

Raere posted:

sorry why do we need another graphics API?

Something about a common shader intermediary language and simplifying vendor implementations for common technology.

cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001

Mr Dog posted:

Also I'm the implication that people will stop shipping UE3 games any time soon or that UE3 will be ported to Vulkan

It's like the Windows XP of game engines

which version is xcom2 written in

craisins
May 17, 2004

A DRIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!

MrMoo posted:

Something about a common shader intermediary language and simplifying vendor implementations for common technology.

isn't that OpenCL or something else that I equally don't care about?

edit: I was thinking about Cg. woops.

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




snipe

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Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




son of a bitch

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