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Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


My Brother's father-in-law is one of the few people who actually make money from Amway. His territory is mainly in China, and through a translator, he pitches Amway to rural Chinese. I can't imagine how he justifies earning his living from scamming the folks who can least afford it. Something like %97 of Amway sellers end up loosing money. I've only ever met him at my brother's wedding, but I wish there was something I could do about it.

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Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


BiggerBoat posted:

I doubt it.

Typically what happens is they show you a check they got but neglect to mention all the money they themselves spent buying bullshit and attending seminars. It's a rebate of sorts. They might get a check for a thousand dollars or something but almost always they've spent 5 times that much to get it.

I'd be interested to see the guy's actual tax returns.

No, really. It's what he does for a living. For like the last 20 years. I think he's just high enough in enough pyramids that he genuinely makes money. It's just that he does it by lying to poor people. He's possibly a sociopath, or he keeps his emotions behind a ton of mental walls. When you talk to him, you get a distinctly fake personality.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


BiggerBoat posted:

Still not buying it. I'd love to see his tax returns and how much of his money comes from selling motivational tools and bilking suckers into attending conventions over actually running a business.

No, you're not understanding. He sells Amway. Not Amway products. He brings new sheep in for the slaughter. I mean, he might buy a product package for show, but he doesn't make money selling the products. He makes money from the people under him, that he recruited, buying products to sell. He really is in the 3% that makes money, off the backs of people who really can't afford it.

His wife's a kindergarden teacher, but they managed to put two kids through college and live pretty drat well. I don't think he's making millions, but he's probably pulling in at least six figures.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


Xequecal posted:

Well, it looks like MyEcon sells other things besides questionable tax advice, like these discs the same co worker was gushing about today:

I'm a little late on this, but I tried to google what entrainment actually is. It's the movement of particles by a liquid or gas. So these discs are powered by the same concept as flushing poo poo in a toilet. Great, I'm sold.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


THe last energy scammer that came to my door pretended he had some pre-existing deal my husband had already agreed to. I must admit it took me a couple of confused questions before I realized it was an energy scam. It's kinda impressive he got as far as he did before I told him to get the hell off my property. I guess most couples don't talk to each other about utility bills.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


When I had JW soul solicitors come 'round my place, I politely said I was an atheist, and no thank you. Once they didn't listen to that, it was on. I'd happily talk about the biblical minutiae for hours, whilst they had to stand in the cold. I'd be indoors, wrapped warmly in a blanket. I figured the longer I kept them busy, the less people they would bother.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


Wow, my friend just got hit with the “There’s a warrant out for your arrest” scam. The guy claimed to be a sheriff’s deputy, wanting to talk to her about missing a summons for federal jury duty. The interesting part is that he had her previous address, which happened to be on the same street, making it seem quite possible that a piece of mail was sent to the wrong place. Fortunately, she went straight to the local sheriffs’ office to take care of it in person, instead of waiting for the guy to call her back. She actually called him from inside the building, trying to find him. He said that he would have to arrest her if they met in person, but he felt bad about everything, and hmm, isn’t there a Walgreens nearby? Before he could get to the monetary part, a sharp volunteer caught what was going on and made her hang up the phone.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


I'm just disappointed that a place called "big toys" does not, in fact, sell toys that are giant sized. I wanna send my nephew a giant t-Rex or something when he turns two.

On topic, I was at my parents' place when my Dad got a scam call from folks claiming to be from Bank of America. Fortunately my Mom stopped him from doing anything stupid, but I imagine that just by actually remaining on the line instead of hanging up, he's put himself up as a good target. He's 80+ years old with worsening frontal lobe dementia. He's still functional enough to be angry when I suggest he stops driving so I very much doubt he'd let me take away his cellphone. What the heck do you do to protect the elderly from scam calls?

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


That's an idea I never thought of. That just might work. He's more likely to notice than most, given that he was in IT for much of his life, but maybe there's one that's innocuous looking....

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


They're counting on people just calling back without taking a close look at the number. It's odd to me, because if anyone called me and hung up after one ring, I'd assume they dialed the wrong number and realized they misdialed right away. Maybe they're just hoping someone is curious. They also will call and "one ring" over and over, so people will call back just to tell them to stop.

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


If you have to ask if it's rigged, the answer is almost always "yes". I can't think of many exceptions...the state lotteries perhaps?

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


I just think that anything that's essentially gambling needs to be marked as so with the odds. It would kill my former employer who did coin-op, but I hate that so much poo poo is "percentaged" but appears as skill. It may sound silly, but isn't it kinda scummy to run a claw machine without disclosing that it's impossible to win most of the time?

Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


I gotta echo that it's probably just someone not into retro games. Seems weird to take anything like that to a physical store in the first place. What are they gonna do if someone shows them one on eBay for $150? They'd still be idiots to buy it that price because they have to resell it at a profit. Plus they they either have to get on EBay themselves, or get lucky with a local buyer. All that for a $50 profit?

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Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies


I just got the best scam phone call. In a text-to-speech voice, I was informed that they had “Discovered my drug carrier” and knew it “was under your name”. I had to laugh out loud. Something is so hilarious about that phrasing. Like the drug guy was taking reservations. Or kept extensive records on who asked him to mule what drug. “Let’s see…Smith….Smith…ah you had the ten pounds of pot to Dallas? It will be a small wait, we are preparing the table right now.”

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