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TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Radio du Cambodge posted:



I think what I will do is call her from a different phone number tomorrow, ostensibly to ask about some detail in the apartment, and then I will mention that the ad is still up and see what she says. If she gives a weird answer I'll ask for the deposit back? Not really sure how to proceed.

Cancel the check and report the transaction as fradulent to the bank, institute a chargeback. Save ads as evidence.

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TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Its been too long since this hellish thing was shared in thread.

ears beware.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Midjack posted:

Seven hours and two posts, yeah this really takes me back.


This is what I get for not checking before making a post. My bad, mea culpa, and also oopsies

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Corsair Pool Boy posted:

^^^ Almost none of them want CC info or anything part of the global financial system, it is too easy to trace. They want crypto currency or iTunes gift cards and the like. Crypto attacks usually come with instructions on how to buy and transfer Bitcoin to the attackers.


I've been wondering this. How do scmamers turn ituned giftcards to profit? What's the payout/laundering scheme?

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



I liked Molly's Game, after family took me to see it. I think its less scammy as much as exploring the lifestyle impacts of being in an environment conducive for being taken advantage of. Worth a watch on its own merits, i think.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



shame on an IGA posted:

Blocking numbers is pointless because the caller ID is all fake. The appropriate pressure point is fixing the laughable ease of spoofing caller ID but telcos don't want to because come on, the scammers are the only people making calls anymore.

If you've got an android you can whitelist by leaving Do Not Disturb mode on with an exception set for your contact list. This won't reject the calls but will mute the ringer.

There actually is legality in place that can get rid of all call spoofing. Its just old and a little backwards and not everyone knows it. IIRC Trapcall (the phone app) makes use of it.

Basically 1800 numbers have the right to see the real number all the time because they're paying for the service, and are thus immune to all call spoofs forever.

so when you pay for trapcall, you're basically paying for an 1800 number forwarding service subscription.

Someone with actual know how and a digital phone system could probably make the same setup fairly easily.

Edit: detailed here. https://www.wired.com/2009/02/trapcall/

TheParadigm fucked around with this message at 16:24 on May 15, 2019

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Absurd Alhazred posted:

If it were an actual asset of hers, they would charge a fee for what is, as far as I know, a free service provided by the State Comptroller. Bonus identity theft from the documentation they'd ask for.

I've heard of this one, actually. There's a few services which DO look for unclaimed property and inform you about it - and hope you go with their service to retrieve it and take a cut - instead of double checking the appropriate authorities and going for free.

But it could also be id theft.

So basically, reach out to the state on your own and see if there's actually stuff in your name.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



I came across someone, a while ago, who made a habit out of playing the state lottery. Of the sort of 'pick up a ticket once or twice a month, regularly, and see if they come out ahead' sort of deal, not as an addiction.

I was curious and ended up learning a few neat things about it. State lotteries are a lot less rigged, or at least rigged fairly. At least out here, odds of winning have to be printed on the ticket, and more importantly, there's several websites which track winners in a given period.

I don't have it on hand any more, but its printed in the lottery reciept. I think it might have been winners report?

This is the thing that sets the state lottery apart: There's tools to see which lotteries have paid out - and which haven't - as well as what the base odds are.

If you know where to look, its sort of like being able to go into the slot machine section and know which machines still have money on them.

Its a small difference, but In my mind, this puts lottieries less into 'scam' and more 'transparently unfair'. Its overall made to make money for the state.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Alright, whats the deal with the deaf renter scam? People who can communicate only through text.

Is this just a new form of advance check fraud? I"m trying to figure out how 'cashier's check for first and deposit' can be leveraged into a scam.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Smalls claims!

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Fruits of the sea posted:

Going to second this, because


It's a frustrating use of your time, but better safe than sorry.

The other thing I'd suggest doing promptly file an FTC complaint, which gets taken seriously.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Like other scams i've heard of, they could also be ruling out victims that DO check their accounts and are on top of fraudalent transactions?

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



BiggerBoat posted:

I have one. Maybe some of you have run into it. It's new to me.

Companies that offer no way whatsoever to cash in on a warranty!

Seriously, google Sears Customer Service, call that number and see how long you wait. Their lovely hold music is embedded in my brain.
Man, just skip the hold and file an FTC complaint directly

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
https://www.ftc.gov/faq/consumer-protection/submit-consumer-complaint-ftc

Let them come to you after the feds knock.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



That's not actually a bad idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtlw_h-3e7k I saw this a while ago, and the idea is pretty interesting. Mini kitchens in the same area just for to-go food stuffs.

I think there's good potential for businesses to split delivery staff the same way.

'd actually sort of love to be able to order of like 2-3 different menus and get it in one package because it all came from the same place.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



PhazonLink posted:

is there any tech solution to making spoofing numbers/IDs impossible?

yes, actually, there's a guaranteed legal way to do so. I researched this in-depth a this a while ago. A family member had to use it to deal with a stalker, I'll pull my links/research up from history.

Basically, Due to usa federal regulations involving who pays for what phone wise, 1800 numbers can't be call # spoofed: as they are paying for the call/line, the 800/toll free owner has right to know who's calling, and thus it doesn't work period.

Trapcall is an app that's basically a forwarding services taking advantage of this.
IIRC its paid with a free trial, may be it changed in recent years, not sure.


Some details.
https://askbobrankin.com/trapcall_reveals_blocked_caller_id.html
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/caller-id-how-unmask-blocked-unknown-calls-mike-carthy
https://www.referenceforbusiness.com/encyclopedia/Thir-Val/Toll-Free-Telephone-Calls-800-Numbers.html
http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/voip/voipani.txt

This was a few years back. (i want ot say 2017?) not sure if still current. Another review ( https://appreview360.com/trapcall-review/ says the google store reviews have issues https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teltechcorp.trapcall&hl=en_US&showAllReviews=true)

Its probably fairly easy to roll your own solution, maybe?

Edit: Potentially interesting update for coloradans?
https://puc.colorado.gov/coloradonocall
https://askbobrankin.com/fed_up_with_robocalls_and_telemarketers_choose_your_weapon.html

I appreciate the legal angle link.


Double edit: Is anyone interested in physical snail mail spam reduction? Its another hastle

TheParadigm fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Nov 9, 2020

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Volmarias posted:

I would pay $5/m or however much it would cost to pay their revenue to pay for the USPS to not give me junk mail. Other countries have "Yes, give me garbage / No, gently caress off with your junk mail" signs for mailboxes which feels especially enlightened but here we are.

Eric the Mauve posted:

Point is, you'll never get the option to not receive junk mail, because at this point junk mail is the reason the USPS exists in the first place.

RIP. Out here we USED to have that as an option direct form the post office, and then presumably the ad providers that do all the physical mail figured out and trashed the program.

Turns out there ARE options to opt out of junk mail! It just kind of obscure and suchlike and takes a bit of time to process the opt out. Good news is, its 2$ for lifetime. (presumably to send opt out letters)

For no more physical spam, The real meat is right here at this ecocyle page:
https://www.ecocycle.org/junkmail
https://dmachoice.thedma.org/
Step 1 and 6, then tip 1, 2 if relevant.

This is the big one after that, though. Heck, put it on your business card.

ecocycle page posted:

Our #1, must-practice tip: Use the magic words “Please do not rent, sell, or trade my name or address”

These are the magic words you’ll want to use when you’re filling out forms such as warranty cards, subscriptions, raffles, customer information cards, credit card applications, memberships for an organization, or pretty much anytime you submit your name and address to anyone. Write them out next to your personal information, and repeat these words when making purchases over the phone or on the internet, and voilà, you’ll stay off mailing lists.


Here's a NY Times article as an icebreaker(more to back up that the DMAchoice is legit): https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/smarter-living/how-to-cut-down-on-unwanted-junk-mail.html

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-banish-junk-mail-from-your-real-world-mailbox-1569005690 The tip about direct opt out and the trustedid mail is good supplementary advice.The comment at the bottom there is relevant too.

"lifehacker article comment posted:

So nearly all of these offers have prepaid envelopes enclosed. I've found the easiest way is to write on their offer, "Remove me from your list!" and send it back to them via the prepaid envelope. Since they have to pay extra, and more, to get the prepaid envelope back it usually only takes twice before you get removed from their list.

I've also noticed since I started doing that, the amount of junk mail that I get has dropped to nearly zero.
You need to put in some work to do it. Its like playing whack a mole sometimes - you remove a listing onto to have it pop back up as they buy their lead lists fro someone else. the oldest trick in the book is to go 'oh well we can't make money off you, but we'll sell you as a lead to the next person!' Thats why you have to include the magic phrase.

As an example of this, see: https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2014/03/versatile-way-get-around-do-not-call-list It pretty much boils down to 'companies hire other companies to generate leads that get around the DNC list and then feign ignorance, thats not our problem or liability, etc.' lovely, still happens.

IIRC the dma choice takes 90 days to process fully and like, do it now, give yourself the gift of a spam free new year.

I've also had some good luck reaching advertisers/coupon senders directly over email and being promptly removed with a polite but firm words, typically my grocery stores that way to out of line.

TheParadigm fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Nov 9, 2020

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



I had a useful bookmark that helps explain that process and how to get around it.

Edmund's "confessions of a car salesman" is a great, informative read. Not sure if its still online, or the url changed during a site revamp.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Fruits of the sea posted:

Some of the organizations are spiritual, but they subscribe to a hosed up group therapy where the group takes turns shouting for 10 minutes at an individual for their flaws and shortcomings. It was supposed to be an honest reality check at the start but of course it devolves into finding ways to narc on others in order to climb up the totem pole. I forget exactly what that group was called. Podcast was like 8 hours long and pretty grim listening.

I'm pretty sure I saw this. Was it the comic about someone's time at a forced childrens rehabilitation 'school' that was more brainwashing program?

Edit: gently caress, that'll teach me to read a few more posts before hitting reply.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Does anyone have experience with Transamerica's insurance sales agent thing? It seems MLM and pyramid scheme as gently caress - a family member's getting into it - and there's a bit of a stink of scam around it to me.

They said some contradictory stuff - that the company pays for training and insurance and assumes liability - but that they're a contractor (not W2); that ther'es at raining period, but there's rates for people you bring above and below in which you split profits for recruits you bring in. 100% comission, no hourly
All in all it seems really rife for abuse, and I sort of want more info before they move to an expensive city, get locked into a lease, and get taken for a ride.

I told them to read every contract thoroughly, red pen anything remotely scandalous, and be aware that they will often claim your contracts and leads as their own and stiff you on commission (just from what i've read among similar stuff from this thread) and they were not having any of it.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Thats what i was afraid of.

I remember there was an old story post/archive from a homeless goon that started a thread to just socialize; and they ran into an 'insurance license/scam' thing that sounded incredibly similiar.

I was wondering if anyone happened to remember which one? I lost the bookmark sadly.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Jeza posted:

Permanently appear offline is praxis. I always have like 2-3 new adds every time I log into Steam and without fail its a bunch of Russian/Chinese/Whatever fakeaccounts trying to add me so they can steal my CS:GO skins which I probably should have sold off already.

There's a setting to turn your inventory private iirc.

Profile-edit->privacy settings-> Inventory to friends only or private.

Even as a casual not-caring about inventory person I'd still occasionally get randos after that orange box thing or whatever until I turned it off.

TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



BurningBeard posted:

Also unironically throwing compassionate out as an insult. lol

Wasn't there a somethingawful hate site that exists to be made at SA named something similiar?

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TheParadigm
Dec 10, 2009



Handen posted:

Awesome, thanks for the explanation. That makes complete sense and now I get to gently caress around with the guy.

The basic stinger is 'you can forge CERTIFIED' checks too or just lie and say they're cashiers or whatever.
So its basically the same reverse check fraud scam.


I did see a fun reversal of this on one of the youtube anti-scammers/scambaiters (i forgot which one) where they got the scammer to pay them. The reason it worked was they used paypal, and sent it as the wrong kind of link (scammer pays instead of recieves) and they clicked it on autopilot

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