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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Red Oktober posted:

I worked for a midsize bank, and would often get requests for my budget through from central finance as "we had someone addressed to you, we paid it, now pay us back." Without any sort of checking before paying it.

It was all legit, but I can see how someone could have billed me for something I didn't use and get the money.

In my last job, the finance person I worked with spent some time every single month going through all the things that other business units had charged off to ours and rejecting the gently caress out of them when it inevitably turned out to be inappropriate for them to have done so. Corporations scam themselves internally.

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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CommieGIR posted:

That robo call has valled 7 times today. Nobody picks up the phone.

A robocall that no one answers is practically free, so they'll try it a LOT of times.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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maskenfreiheit posted:

I mean, usually what you do is cancel via phone, then return the equipment.

The lifehack is to return the equipment at a physical office and get a receipt. If they keep billing you don't even bother with them - call your credit card company, offer to send a scan of the receipt, and report the charges as fraudulent.

That's not a lifehack as it makes sense and makes your life better. A lifehack would be to call and cancel, then reroute the cable to your neighbour and give him the equipment so now he gets free cable (and then you get billed every month for the service that is now his)

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Pharmaskittle posted:

He's just joking that "life hacks" are usually dumb. That's it, that's all there is to it

I mean yeah, I thought that was the whole point of the thread.

Edit: haha, I'm a loving moron and thought I was posting in the lifehacks thread.

Fil5000 fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Aug 14, 2017

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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greazeball posted:

According to Charity Navigator, they spend about 25% on fundraising and 10% on admin so only 65% goes to the program which is pretty poor IMO for an org with revenue of $35 million/year.


Don't forget children and the police!



Is that top one spending nearly 97% of its revenue on raising revenue?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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EL BROMANCE posted:

In the UK it's common to get hit by a wave of 'chuggers' in the high streets, (charity muggers). They're a vile type who do their best to guilt you into paying a monthly subscription to a charity - some really well known, some unheard of. They also make it sound like they're in the streets volunteering but the ones in my old area were on about £8 ($12) an hour. They're told that they generally need 2 years worth of money from a person to break even. Scams all the way down.

Chuggers are the worst. They're all working from the same playbook down to the emphatic hand gestures. I hate them.

The only upside is they're not allowed to sign you up to donate then and there any more, they have to arrange a time for someone to call you a few days later to set it all up.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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peanut posted:

More like someone who actually cares about the cause and doesn't know the money is used ineffectively

I've seen the same people on different days collecting for different charities so either they're massively into everything or they're not really into the cause and just need a job.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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stringball posted:

Can a UK goon tell an idiot american about TV taxes? The concept of it is odd and I remember hearing the collectors go door-to-door, bringing up great opportunities to scam people apparently

It's not hugely complicated - you need a license to watch broadcast TV or to watch the BBC online. The usual approach that the beeb takes to enforcing this is to just repeatedly send mailings to any address without a license telling them if they watch TV without getting one they're breaking the law, but there are also TV detector vans. How these vans work is subject to some debate (with some people believing they don't actually do anything at all) as the beeb says it doesn't want to put the mechanics out there as then people would work around them.

What IS apparently the case though is that as a form of suveillance, the beeb has to get the same permissions to use a detector van as the security services do to use a wiretap. Which is weird.

I guess you could scam someone by driving down a street full of students with a van with a big antenna on the top, knocking at each door and demanding they give you £150 for a TV license because you detected their laptop watching Doctors.

Edit: If you google TV License scam you get a LOT of results. And frankly I'm amazed only one of them is from a Murdoch owned paper saying the concept of the license itself is the scam.

Fil5000 fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Sep 5, 2017

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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If you watch the BBC iplayer now it asks you for your address and name, so I assume if you're dumb enough to put your own in and you have no license it sends you a fine through the post. That's kind of it for ways they could enforce it though.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Haifisch posted:

Why not just make it something subsidized through regular old taxes? It seems like they're making way more work(and spending more money) with the TV fees than if the funding just came through income tax.

I guess the thinking back in the day was that not many people have it so they'll pay for it and it's just continued through inertia, similar to the annual car tax we have. This way though, there's distinct funding for the BBC that a hostile government has to do a lot more work to defund and dismantle. It's like how national insurance makes the tory dream of putting a bullet in the NHS a bit harder.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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goatsestretchgoals posted:

Could they even (theoretically) figure out what channel you were watching on a CRT? Someone else upstream said the UK also has ad-supported channels; could the van tell the difference?

In addition to what's already been said about phreaking, from a legal standpoint it wouldn't matter. The TV license is for you to watch ANY broadcast television whatsoever, so it wouldn't matter if you were watching ITV or Channel 5 (Channel 4 is both ad supported AND publicly funded, weirdly), you'd still need the license.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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EL BROMANCE posted:

I know back years ago, if you could prove you were in an area where you physically couldn't receive the BBC signals, you could get out of it.

It's all BS though, it's not a tv license it's a 'we will charge every household and dorm room £150 unless you jump through hoops' tax. If they ever turn up at your door with or without the police, tell them to gently caress off.

Well yeah, don't let them into your property unless they can actually prove they have the legal right to come in there with a warrant.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Corrode posted:

That's the bigger "scam" part - their tendency to pretend to people who are trusting or clueless (old people and students basically, sometimes immigrants) that they have police powers and force their way indoors.

Are there actual cases of this happening then? I'm looking now and pretty much every news story I can find on dodgy TV license inspector behaviour is from the Daily Mail, which I'm always loathe to believe unless there's something else backing it up. Especially when it's about the BBC because they loving hate the BBC.

Edit: Oh, they've subcontracted it out to loving Capita, I believe it entirely.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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It may also be that they're required by statute to enforce it, even though collection might not be especially profitable. It's like how some train stations here are technically open and have one train a week because closing them down is mired in paperwork and stuff that has to go through parliament.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Lol at this really specific sovereign citizen bullshit. "I've decided it doesn't apply to me so please refund"

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Oh no, not the world wide law enforcement agency!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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AlbieQuirky posted:

Loot crates.

Door to door euthanasia loot crates.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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My wife does Avon stuff and yeah, it's basically a bit of extra money. She posts catalogues through people's doors, they order stuff, she puts the order in, collects the cash from them, delivers them the stuff and then pays for the order. She gets a phone call from them the day before each campaign order is due where they try to get her to order extra items that are on sale, but she basically ignores those.

You CAN do the whole "recruit others and profit from them" thing, but they don't seriously push it and they don't expect you to live and breathe it. The worst you can say about it is that it probably takes more time than it's actually worth spending.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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TheKennedys posted:

I mean, Avon is probably one of the less exploitative MLMs but it's still an MLM, one of the oldest and most well-established ones. The fact that they focus more on sales just helps to legitimize them, but I doubt anyone would see significant money without pushing recruiting hardcore just like any other MLM (also lol if they think they'll be making significant money with that either).

The bits to look out for are "which is more important, recruiting or actual sales?" "do they track product sales to customers or only to consultants" and "are you encouraged to keep a massive inventory of poo poo you will likely never sell". Bonus points for "does the product actually do anything" and "does it work better than something you can get from the drugstore for $3" Any MLM that hits any of those red flags is not worth even spending the effort to listen to a pitch for, because it's guaranteed to be Mary Kay/LuLaRoe/ItWorks! level of scammy garbage

e: also, in tangentially related news, every single facebook post from a "millenial" MLM (LLR/Scentsy/ItWorks/etc) is a copy/paste from their upline and/or the company website. I see a lot of people (not necessarily here) wondering why every MLM shill post has the same feel to it, well, that's why.

I like the MLM recruitment posts where they do everything they can to not tell you what the product or service actually is. Just about how much you can make and how happy they are because they're an entrepreneur and why wouldn't you want to be an entrepreneur too!

If you won't even mention the name of your company, you can bugger off

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Was it the lifelock CEO who put his social security number on the side of a truck to prove how good the product was?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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MightyJoe36 posted:

Can't find it on YouTube right now, but there was a Seinfeld episode where he buys his dad one of those electronic organizers that at the time were really expensive. George tells him to tell his dad that he "got a deal" on it, and hint that it might be "hot." This really impresses the old man. "Look at this! Jerry got me a deal on it. It might even be stolen."

The thing that makes people buy Van Meat, Speakers, and other questionable stuff off a truck is the same thing that gets them to fall for stupid stuff like Nigerian scams - they want to think that they're smarter and/or a better negotiator than everybody else or they want to believe that they can get something for nothing.

People wonder why, in the year 2018, it's still almost impossible to buy a new car without going through a dealer and going through the whole "what would it take to put you in this car today" and "let me talk to my sales manager" bullshit. They tried the "no-haggle" car sales with Saturn in the 1990s and the company ended up folding.

The majority of car buyers want it that way. They want to go into a dealer and pretend that they're a great "horse trader" and then brag to their buddies how they out-negotiated the sales guy and "got a deal." Same thing with Van Meat.

Has the US got anything like the car supermarkets we have in the UK like AvailableCar? They have customer service and finance types that are on no commission, they don't haggle over sticker price and you basically wander their huge parking lot looking at the cars and then go back to the office to do a test drive. When you buy it the finance guy shows you their options but if you say you've got the funds already they just shrug and you're on your way. I've bought like three cars through them and one through a Ford dealership and I'd prefer to never go back to a dealership again after extra fees getting tacked on and aggressive sales pitches for finance and their "service plans".

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Rusty Shackelford posted:

My voice is my passport?

God shut UP Werner, you've compromised security like eight times this week because you keep saying that poo poo.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

I'm Scam Likely.

Oh, of the Conneticut Likelys?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Thanatosian posted:

Leverage was pretty good.

In a very similar vein, Hustle is great.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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DigitalRaven posted:

Tony Martin would beg to differ...

I love that he claims he "found" a pump action shotgun. Yeah, sure Tony, we're just tripping over firearms here in the UK. After Hungerford and Dunblane all the guns in private ownership were gathered up and just scattered across Norfolk for farmers to find.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Generally speaking I abhor violence and prefer to solve issues in non-violent means.

I won't lie though; when I saw a helmet-haired televangelist demand that his followers send him money because God told him he was holy enough that he deserved a fourth private jet I wanted to hit the man with an axe. I highly doubt I'd ever actually do it but boy howdy did that ever fill me with rage.

John Oliver had a great episode on televangelists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg

Televangelists are 100% a horrible scam. They are dreadful people.

My favorite thing about that John Oliver thing is the number of people that sent him envelopes with actual seeds in after.

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Guest2553 posted:

Don't have kids, but if you do get used to this happening a couple times after they call to see what would happen or cry into the receiver because TV time is over.

ps,


"maybe you can help us work out where this meat is from"

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