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I'm pretty sure "malware/trojans on a mix CD" was a central plot point on that show Mr. Robot. I remember Nine Inch Nails did an ARG for one of their albums and part of it involved USB drives being left in like concert hall bathrooms and stuff. The whole thing was really cool and pretty involved (including crazy poo poo like static at the end of a track that revealed images when run through a spectral analysis) but if I found a thumbdrive on the ground somewhere you bet your rear end I'm scanning the poo poo out of it on an un-networked beater laptop before it goes anywhere near a real computer.
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I didn't buy too much stuff when I was in China, mostly watches for the bit. I knew they wouldn't last, but I didn't expect them to be as crappy as these were. None of them lasted more than a month, some had glaringly obvious defects (like buttons that clearly didn't do anything), etc. Good thing I didn't pay more than a few bucks each. The best part is how the vendors will just keep swearing up and down that what you're haggling from $45 down to $10 on is a 100% genuine $5,000 Omega watch. It's pretty fun. On the other hand, I was in this little mall in Shenzhen and I got an eye exam and 2 prescription pairs of glasses that were done in 20 minutes for a grand total of $90. That was in 2011, I'm wearing one of those pairs right now and the other is in my car as an emergency pair, they've held up every bit as well as real Ray-Ban frames/lenses.
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Pentaro posted:This reminds me of another one common around here: A couple guys knock at your door and offer to mow your garden and trim off the trees for X amount of money. Once that's done, they demand you to pay way more than the agreed amount (usually they argue that the first amount was just to "do the job" but that didn't include things like taking away the trash or something like that) and, hey, they're the ones brandishing hedge trimmers and machetes. I feel like stand-your-ground laws would make this sort of thing a really dangerous idea.
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Yeah, that. If you want to try an intimidation tactic involving a potentially deadly gardening implement, you should be aware that the person you're trying to intimidate may be within his legal rights to pull out a gun and shoot you in the stomach.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:except, the OP's phrase "offer to mow your garden" means the scammers are offering to use a lawnmower to cut the grass, which is growing out of the earth, which earth is part of the parcel of property on which your house sits. i've only ever heard "garden" used this way by non-Americans so i'm not sure if stand-your-ground laws are relevant He also said "trim your trees" which is usually done with long, sharp and pointy things. Trees are also things that grow out of the earth, which is part of the parcel of property on which your house sits. twodot posted:And not having a duty to retreat makes this different from literally any other situation where someone threatens someone? Like even ignoring the fact you're mixing castle doctrine and stand your ground, if your game plan is to effectively mug people, you should calculate out how to deal with someone responding with violence in kind regardless of whether they would be legally justified in doing so. Ok, I mixed up castle doctrine and stand your ground  but this is a dumb argument. The point I'm trying to make is that people will probably be less inclined to demand money from you with a tree pruner if they know from the get-go that there is no legal barrier stopping them from shooting you. In New Jersey the attempted thief could sue the homeowner in that situation, in Texas it wouldn't even go past the initial police inquiry. You really don't think an attempted scammer would take that into consideration?
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Lutha Mahtin posted:I guess I don't understand how me referencing a piece of landscaping equipment that is impractical to hold in one's arms such to appear vaguely threatening, means that somehow the goon who originally mentioned this scam has been magically transported from England to Florida. What? What does location have to do with anything? You pointed out that the OP mentioned "mow your garden" to point out that they would have a lawnmower, and I pointed out that in the same sentence, the OP also mentioned "trim your trees", which would also imply they have the implements necessary to cut branches down, which tend to be implements that can easily be used to appear threatening. If you're still hung up about the fact that "garden" in America implies your own property and therefore stand-your-ground doesn't apply, I already admitted that I mixed that up with Castle Doctrine. Either way this entire argument is loving stupid and totally irrelevant to my initial point, which was simply "some scammers might think twice about running a scam that implies/threatens harm if the scammee has the blessing of their local government/law enforcement to blow the scammer's head off with a shotgun at the slightest provocation." I didn't think that was a super-controversial viewpoint, but I guess I was wrong 
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He must have done something right because his nephew was my freshman year roommate and motherfucker was old-school loaded. Fancy cigars lit with gold-plated lighters, dressed like he was going to a yacht club at all times, that sort of thing. Looked just like a younger version of his uncle, too! Never got him to wear a suit with question marks on it though... Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 17:02 on May 18, 2016 |
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Yeah that poo poo isn't really a scam. I don't see how "pay $30 for this book of info that's free online" is much different from, say "pay $500 to have someone tell you which exercises to do and foods to eat instead of doing some research online" or "pay $40 for an oil change instead of reading up on how to do it yourself for $5" It's a bit crappy to sell freely available information, but I mean nowadays you could argue that virtually any industry is guilty of the same. I had a college professor literally tell my class "I'm skipping these 3 chapters in the text (which cost like $200) because they don't do a great job of explaining the material, here are some links to places online that cover it much better." If the things in the book that dude was shilling were flat-out illegal, that's another story, but I wouldn't consider what is essentially a strategy guide for optimizing your tax poo poo to be a scam, since there is arguable value in what he's selling.
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Captain Bravo posted:I had a college professor once that had his work stolen by a textbook company, after they used some shady practices to gently caress him out of the money they were supposed to pay him for the sections of the book he provided the work for. Conversely I had a class where 2 of the 3 required texts were written by the professor himself. Not only were they $80-120 each, but the fact that he wrote them meant you absolutely had to have them if you didn't want to get called out on something absurdly specific during class.
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Good ol' 1/1/11, never fails. That's right, I'm 105 years old and using the internet. Prove I'm not!
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cheerfullydrab posted:Like I said upthread, it's a mugging with props. did you actually read the link or are you just patting yourself on the back for some weird reason
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I mean on the one hand you may get scammed if you engage with strangers, on the other hand you could completely ignore when people are talking to you, and you look like a douche, plus you may get punched in the back of the head for it.
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Pharmaskittle posted:I've had an awful lot of people try to sell me appliances out of their trucks, and I went to a yard sale at an obvious trap house where I got a pretty good deal on the biggest microwave I've ever seen. What do you mean by trap house? I always dream of hitting a garage sale jackpot and getting a box of NES games or a guitar amp from the 60's or something but around here if you're not waiting outside peoples' yards at 8:30 for a sale that starts at 9, you might as well resign yourself to garbage I find some good books and old tools and such, but the closest thing to a really sweet find I've ever gotten was probably the sealed copies of Space Jam and Robin Hood: Men in Tights on LaserDisc I got for $1 each My area is loving annoying, you can't even get good poo poo on bulk trash day anymore because there are people going street to street in vans and pickup trucks at like 4AM getting anything good. I remember when I was in high school I found 3 working PCs (one with a working monitor), a full-sized drill press that only needed a new belt, and a complete set of 1994 Encyclopedia Britannica in one night =(
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yeah dude you basically just described how all electronic components, everywhere, are sold
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Non Serviam posted:No dude, big box stores are all selling stolen parts! No I mean I kind of get what he was saying; the no-name pre-build computers are sourced from sketchy parts, but a) no-name pre-built computers kind of don't exist anymore now that you can buy an HP or Dell or whatever at Target or Walmart or Costco for under $300 and b) even expensive components like CPUs or whatnot, are almost always shipped in cheap plastic antistatic trays in mostly-unmarked cardboard boxes.
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mostlygray posted:HP and Dell don't make anything anymore. I've been to the manufacturing facilities. I've seen an HP sitting next to a Dell that's next to a Compaq in same facility in Mexico. Don't get me wrong, it's really nice to be able to buy cheap desktops for the office, but it's all a grift. Not sure how you equate "a few companies use the same manufacturing facility because they make functionally identical products" with "these companies don't make anything anymore." Having a factory to produce your product doesn't count as making things? I think you meant IC and not PCB. Yeah, sometimes you open a product and there's a TI chip where a Samsung chip should be, which doesn't matter because again, they are functionally identical components and are designed as such. Also you might think that 16-pin chip does something important but odds are much higher that it's a 10-cent resistor network and not an actual programmed IC so it doesn't matter which of the dozen companies producing that component are supplying it. I'm also really unsure how you can extrapolate "all computers are a cheap scam" from your work story, because your work story makes your company seem dumb as hell. You're literally saying "Walmart, king of cheap poo poo, couldn't sell these lovely laptops at $300 so our company had the bright idea to try to sell them at $400! I'm not sure why they didn't sell..."
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I mean "the factory making this brand-name thing is selling the QC rejects to another company after hours" is definitely a thing that happens a lot but we're talking electronic components with micro- and nano-scale precision manufacturing, not handbags with a misaligned seam or whatever. You can't just release a batch of factory-second CPUs into the wild because they flat-out won't work
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BiggerBoat posted:Frank Costello I think. micro processors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xPaUKLkqmQ
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It also doesn't help that there is an obscene amount of misinformation out there are people that think whatever the fda says is wrong. They look at "the fda doesn't support our claims" as proof that it is a magical cure they don't want you to know about. On the other side of the coin, FDA fuckery also means that a lot of things that may be legitimately beneficial go ignored for various reasons. The classic example is  , which despite being scientifically proven a billion times as having multiple significant lines of research re: medicinal properties, is still categorized as a Schedule I drug, meaning the government's official stance on it is "no medical uses at all and no allowances for medical study," which results in poo poo like Marinol and Sativex (used to treat motion sickness, seizures and many symptoms of degenerative neuronal diseases) being readily available in almost every country in the world except the US.Another example is 5-HTP. It's a chemical precursor to serotonin, which is a neurotransmitter that the most common antidepressants indirectly act on. You can get it on Amazon or at GNC or Walgreens or wherever, and in my personal experience it's a godsend. Several years of expensive, zombifying SSRIs, and 5-HTP treats my depression significantly better, without turning me into an emotional cripple. I know several people with similar experiences, but you better believe it's got that wonderful THESE STATEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN EVALUATED BY THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION. THESE PRODUCTS ARE NOT INTENDED TO DIAGNOSE, TREAT, CURE OR PREVENT DISEASE. labels on the bottle.
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mostlygray posted:I'm very sure why the W sku'd laptops didn't sell. It was a stupid idea. Wasn't mine, I take no ownership and I fought it kicking and screaming. The point is: "Nothing is made by who you think it is, for who you think it is." So you admit that the Walmart laptop thing was just a story about someone in your company making an idiotic decision, and not actually providing any evidence towards your argument. Sorry you keep dealing with lovely companies but you're still wrong and "no one makes anything anymore" is inherently a stupid statement. "This company sold me bad Windows keys" or "this company hosed up and shipped empty TV boxes" has absolutely nothing to do with the argument you're trying to make. Those are bad companies making either intentional or unintentional mistakes, and has zero to do with "oh companies don't make anything anymore." "This supplier told us their warehouse burned down" isn't a sign of some weird global manufacturing conspiracy, it's a sign that either your supplier thinks you're a loving moron, or they don't care enough about your business to make an effort to keep you as a customer. Not sure where you're going with naming off those companies. Sceptre is an American brand that is known for making low-end TVs and CRT monitors, they barely touch actual systems. ECS is one of the largest motherboard manufacturers in the world. Alphatop is owned by ECS. Quanta makes laptops for virtually all the biggest tech companies in the world, same with Compal. Are you trying to say that because IBM uses ECS motherboards in their systems, that's some sort of scam or bad business practice? Or that since multiple companies use the same few manufacturers and designers, that this is some sort of scam? I'm really not getting your point here. Do you expect every single company in the world to discretely manufacture the entirety of their product lines? Do you have any idea how inefficient and problematic that would be? Try to imagine applying this logic to literally any other field in the world. Supermarkets across the US all buy their frozen peas from the same 3 companies. Do you expect every supermarket in the country to individually source their own frozen peas? It's not that nobody makes anything anymore, it's that there are usually a relatively small number of companies who are really good at 1 specific thing, and so they can reasonably supply multiple other companies who are trying to offer a wide range of product. I'm not sure why you think the fact that a Motorola phone is actually made by Lenovo, and the guts are almost identical to those of a Samsung or LG phone, is some kind of conspiracy, because that sort of thing is pretty common knowledge. Also the last part of your post makes me think you should probably seek therapy because you went from an argument about laptop manufacturers to a rant about how the whole world is terrible and hosed 
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I mean this is basic loving knowledge on the computer parts end. Even the average consumer who knows nothing about computers understands even the basic idea behind it, otherwise the BBB would be flooded with people like you complaining about why the fancy Dell they paid $1800 for at Microcenter has the same Intel Core i7 sticker on the front as the computer on sale at Walmart for $600. Anybody who's built their own computer understands that there are only a few companies worth a poo poo that make hard drives, or that there are only 2 companies making graphics cards anymore and all the resellers like Sapphire or EVGA are just competing on heatsinks and fancy housings. How old are you, if you don't mind my asking? If you told me you were 60+ I'd probably have less of an issue with your line of reasoning, since all of the few other people I've ever heard make this sort of argument are people who hit adulthood years before consumer home electronics became a common thing.
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mostlygray posted:Point being, you agree with me. You clearly do understand, and have in-depth insight, as to how the consumer electronics world works and I commend you for it. Most other people though, don't get that nothing that you see is reality. My point is simple: Nothing is as it seems in the electronics industry. This is about scams and cons. I've got no beef with IBM using ECS parts. Frankly, they make awesome boards and I've been using them myself since the early 2000's. They just are not ever clear as to component origin.  holy poo poo dude you are Grade A crazy/stupidthere's no loving such thing as a B&O laptop, it's an HP laptop with B&O speakers. It's 100% branded as an HP laptop, there's no "theoretically" about it. Similar to my "sorry your company made dumb decisions," sorry your wife made a dumb decision when buying a laptop (but  if you thought having a fancy name associated with it = not lovely laptop speakers).You are literally the crazy old man who thinks everything is a conspiracy or a scam. I never thought I'd meet one in real life. I think your mother is the least crazy out of you, her and your wife because at least she's partially correct - Motorola was for a brief period assembling their phones in the USA, mostly so they could tout "ASSEMBLED IN THE USA" as a selling point. I know in your weirdo head that's a con or a scam, but it's really just marketing. It's not Motorola's fault Americans are morons that are somehow convinced a made in the USA product is superior to foreign-made. I really wish I could just stop responding since you're pretty obviously an old man who is totally convinced they know better than everyone, but I firmly believe you're not trolling and actually believe the jumbled train wreck of thoughts you're posting. Like a real trainwreck, I can't stay away.
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I mean I've seen a couple of examples of what could be construed as mislabelling/misdirection but in both cases it was done specifically to make the product nice and legally compliant: The Middle East is notoriously anti-Chinese products. I've seen 6-figure deals go to poo poo because of this. As a result, I've seen simple electronics (fluorescent light ballasts to be specific) where the PCBs are made in China, then shipped to Mexico, where they are "assembled," AKA they screw the PCB into a snap-in aluminum housing. This allows them to slap a big ol' ASSEMBLED IN MEXICO sticker on the ballast and sell to the Middle East market no problem. Crack open the housing and the board has CHINA stamped on it. Same goes for stuff from Israel. Most of these countries (UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc.) have flat-out blanket bans on importing Israeli products, but seeing as how companies like Intel and Motorola have significant production and r&d facilities in Israel, you better believe there's some sort of assembly-location fuckery to get around that. Neither case is malicious, as the average Mo Shmoe in Kuwait doesn't give a poo poo if the processor in his laptop came from Israel or not, and while the company financing a construction project might be super anti-Chinese products, the actual construction people know that they can get Chinese poo poo that is just as good or better than stuff from the USA or wherever. And it certainly isn't some sort of sneaky scam to shave money off a sale or whatever, since this sort of thing requires a lot more logistic work that ends up increasing cost significantly; you're just adding another step and a totally different location to the production process, with all the bullshit that brings.
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NJ is like that but the law isn't enforced at all. They polled a bunch of local cops and literally not a single one said they'd ever written/would write someone a ticket for doing it. Also most attendants are usually pretty appreciative of not having to do anything. Although I've literally never heard of anyone tipping a gas station attendant past like, 1950.
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Like I said, tipping the gas attendant is a thing of the past, probably because back then they'd clean your windows, air up your tires, etc. at the same time, so they actually did something worthy of a tip. Nowadays they slide a card in a slot and press a button, I can't even remember the last time an attendant actually cleaned my windows. The upshot of living in an attendant state is that they still have the locking clips on the actual fuel gun thing, so you don't have to keep the handle squeezed yourself the whole time. When I lived in MA, 90% of the time they'd remove the locking clip, so you couldn't even clean your windows or grab a snack from inside while the gas was pumping.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:This sounds bizarre to me. Is there a law about it? Driving in the upper midwest I've never encountered it. I dunno if it's law or not. I've definitely encountered a couple of gas station attendants in Boston who will cut the pump off if you walk away (usually the pump guy is standing inside also working the convenience store attached to the gas station), but it's rare. But having the lock clip removed was annoyingly common. I imagine the logic is like you said, a way to keep people from walking away and making a mess of things, except that the pump will stop itself when the tank is full, so I don't know how people still manage to spill gas, TBH. I worked at a gas station for like 6-8 months in college and I only had to clean a spill once. It's a minor convenience, but NJ is great if you can pump your own gas since you can get it started, go inside to grab a drink, and come back out and not have to stand there squeezing the handle for 5 minutes. e: also IMO the whole law is dumb as hell and "pumping your own gas" is a skill that in my head is more akin to "being able to walk and talk at the same time," not something like changing your own oil or whatever. I have friends that have lived in NJ their whole lives and it's really mind-boggling how impressed they are when I fill my own tank. It's not parallel parking or changing a flat for pete's sake. Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Greatbacon posted:Massachussets is the only state in the union that doesn't have those pump clip things because it was actually illegal. They passed a law last year though legalizing them though, but knowing the way businesses work it will probably only be newer gas stations that end up having them. Well, that explains it then, thanks for solving a decade-long mystery for me!
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Lutha Mahtin posted:We had a literal barrel of the stuff so thinking back, my guess was that it wasn't cat litter. Looking at some pictures of cat litter online though, I'm not sure any more. Either way it worked pretty well I also worked a gas station for a while. It's 100% cat litter. You can use it to get motor oil stains out of driveways, too!
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Mr. Eric Praline posted:When I was a kid, probably like 19 years old, a dude walked up in a 7-11, and was like "Man, you've got a great look. I'm a talent scout for a modeling agency, and you should come in." and gave me his card. So I showed up at the place, waited like 3 hours. They gave me a stack of papers to sign, which I actually read. I assume their business model relies on people not doing that. but apparently vain enough to think you were being scouted at a 7-11, show up and wait 3 hours 
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Mr. Eric Praline posted:Ha. Guy talked a good game in that Sev. Realizing I had to pay them was where it sunk in that I'm maybe not so pretty. all joking aside though, I too have heard that low-level modelling carries a significant monetary entry barrier, so dude may have actually been somewhat legit. In my experience the music industry works pretty similarly; it's not uncommon for local bands to either meet a sold-tickets quota or pay-to-play at first.
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EL BROMANCE posted:I don't know how "scammy" this is per se, but I've noticed quite a few verified accounts on Facebook (for example, Bam Margera's just came up on my feed) don't seem to have anything to do with said celebrity but simply post links to the same 'viral' site day in and day out. Are these sites basically buying celebrities accounts from them to post this junk to get people sharing it because they believe their celebrity idol is sitting down reading through clickbait headlines all day? You'd think some of these people would rather retain their accounts to promote their own goings on. If it's verified then it's verified, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's that person posting. Realistically it's that person's assistant, or they actually have a person whose sole job is to maintain their social media presence. So it's probably something like Bam going "hey PA I just saw this funny-rear end video on Buzzfeed, post that poo poo on my FB account!" and then that PA keeps posting Buzzfeed links just to keep the account active. Except George Takei, I'm convinced he actually reads and reposts his links on his own; too bad they're almost entirely clickbait garbage.
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yeah man "stranger trying to get me to take a bag on an airplane" is a loving gigantic red flag and odds are pretty high that there were drugs or something else super-illegal in that bag I'm not even one of those "if you see something say something" reactionaries, I've ignored plenty of bags people left on a subway platform or whatever (actually, the last time I decided to actually investigate an abandoned bag on an airport shuttle, there was a $200 bottle of whiskey from the Duty Free store  )
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Absurd Alhazred posted:That would have been a fun thing to explain to border control if they had tried to check the validity of your tax-exempt items. Thankfully, it was on the shuttle from JFK back to NYC  I literally did a double-take when I realized how old it wasThe whole tax-free thing seems to be somewhat spotty, unless I've just gotten lucky. I've bought booze at a Duty Free store twice while waiting for domestic flights (just a bottle each time) and nobody ever asked me for my international boarding pass. Also, I brought like 6 cartons of cigarettes back from China with no issue, didn't have to declare them or anything.
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Thanatosian posted:Those twenty dollar entries were written by him, I guarantee. 
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When I was super poor I got pretty good at being able to check if a pack of smokes on the ground was empty or not by poking it with my foot. Anytime I found cigarettes I didn't like (Newports or whatever) I held on to them to give to homeless people if they asked. No money out of my pocket, and holy poo poo some of those dudes would loving light up like I just handed them the deed to a mansion when I gave them 2 or 3 cigs at a time.
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bitcoin bastard posted:Vancouver BC used to have the drinking age as 19 (still is, but apparently they won't serve USA citizens under 21 anymore), so we came back from Canada with a shitload of booze in the trunk. I declared it to the US border guard on re-entry, he gave zero fucks. When I drove to Montreal the border guard lady was super bitchy and suspicious towards me. Yes, lady, I am bringing weed from the USA into Canada, yessiree!
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There was a Nine Inch Nails album release ARG that involved USB drives being left in places like concert hall bathrooms and such. So for a lot of people the answer to "if you found an unfamiliar USB drive in a grungy bathroom would you plug it into your computer" is "absolutely!" It's like a scheme you'd see on an episode of Mr. Robot or something. Police blotters in my town and the ones nearby are full of people who got scammed in various ways through the phone or web. Some of the incident reports detail some pretty solid social engineering on the parts of the scammers, but a lot of times it's pretty basic stuff, so I have no doubt in my mind that most people around here would plug a USB drive into either their work or home computers without a second thought. Honestly, I'd love to see experiments done where people leave USB drives in various locations that contain a harmless trojan or whatever that would simply report back that it was activated and then do nothing else - it'd be cool to get actual real-world results as to how many people will just plug whatever drive in whatever computer.
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