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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Including a couple of people dancing behind the newsreader at the end of the clip.

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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Cyrano4747 posted:

So what are these? I've never heard of it.

Fyre Festival is the one you might have seen in the news recently - the disastrous attempt at a festival associated with Ja Rule.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/29/ja-rule-heartbroken-after-fyre-festival-descends-into-disaster
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39743303/luxury-fyre-festival-is-cancelled-with-ticket-holders-still-stranded-in-bahamas

The other one was a huge failure that they started trying to raise funds to pay the hotel during the con, I think? They also offered 'an extra hour in the ball pit' as compensation, which became pretty famous.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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There was a pretty good film made about this subject (though not this case): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1971352/

It's really interesting to see how people respond to perceived authority, and if it's ratcheted up at just the right pace can be made to do all sorts of things.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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PT6A posted:

Wait, that wasn't just a Canadian thing?

I've had them in the UK too - and I know they're a thing in the states.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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I worked for a midsize bank, and would often get requests for my budget through from central finance as "we had someone addressed to you, we paid it, now pay us back." Without any sort of checking before paying it.

It was all legit, but I can see how someone could have billed me for something I didn't use and get the money.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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There will have been a number, (and if I think hard enough I can probably remember what it was) where they would check first. But in general the theory makes kind of sense - you don't want to be wasting people's time getting sign off for relatively small amounts.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Accenture (as in these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accenture) are a completely legit IT/Management Consultancy firm. There is a referral scheme for employees, but no different to most large consulting/FS firms.

It's absolutely nothing to do with these guys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACN_Inc.), although as TheKennedys points out, Accenture trades under the ticker ACN.

And that Reply All episode was fantastic, Alex Goldman can be such a risk-to-the-wind!-weirdo sometimes, it's great.

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May 24, 2006

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goatsestretchgoals posted:

technically and legally legit != cool and good place to work

E: I guess it depends on your posting as all temp/contract jobs do.

Oh absolutely - I've worked for, and resigned from, Accenture so believe me when I say I know exactly what you mean.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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The second and final part of that Reply All episode is up, and it's just as weird as you'd hope. Pro-listen for sure.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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A 50S RAYGUN posted:

i got a scam call a month or two back that my iPhone told me was from Chile. whether or not that was true, they attempted to tell my voicemail that they were process servers and something something about my mother. to date my mother has not been audited or arrested or assassinated or what the gently caress ever was supposed to happen unless i gave them 20 dollars of iTunes credit

like, what's the point of the iTunes poo poo? resale?

Yes, really high percentage (sell a 20 dollar gift card for around $18.5-19 by the looks of eBay right now), untraceable resale.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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cumshitter posted:

I made the mistake of putting my resume on Monster.com some years back, and as a result received a ton of calls from various insurance places.

It worked perfectly fine. I think the induction seminars only had space for 5 people so filling a few of them with profanity laced messages telling them about my giant dick and lack of desire to sell insurance got me taken off their call list fairly quickly..

Working out class sizes for those things must be an interesting challenge. You need enough people to a) make it worthwhile and b) get a bit of groupthink going so some of the more gullible members bring the less gullible on the journey with them, but you don't want so many that one or two people who aren't falling for it then the rest off.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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They havenít even spelt the username properly.

If anything these are more insidious than the FWD:FWD: type, as once the page has enough likes it can be sold to a marketing firm who will change the page to a product they are pushing an have a built in audience of 50000k+.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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I remember getting those, some would say send a chocolate bar, some a post card. I received one on Facebook recently:

quote:

Hey - so it's a bit of a book pyramid scheme, probably invented by Amazon, but here it is:

Please copy the post you commented on, and repost to your Facebook page. (Below to easily copy & paste.)

WANTED: Participants for a book-loving social experiment. Comment if you want to participate and Iíll send you details. What do you have to do? Buy your favourite book and send it to a stranger (Iíll send you a name and address.) You will only be sending one book to one person. The number of books you will receive depends on how many participants there are. The books that will show up on your door are the other peopleís much loved stories #SaveTheCulture #BookExchange #LongLiveBooks

Send this whole message to the people who comment on your post, putting my info in item #2 and your info in item #3.

2. Send a much-loved book to: XXXX
You can send a new book or, if you have a much-loved book at home, you can mail that. Whichever way works for you, please make sure you send a book!

3. Give the people who comment on your social media post my address (in a private message, of course): XXXXX

So theyíre still around, just in a slightly different form.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Corporate hospitality teams will buy a row of seats for a year in a venue, and get tickets for every event that year. If itís not something of interest to the client base theyíre trying to entertain theyíll put them up for resale.

I went to see Muse at the o2 in London on exactly that deal, and when I picked up the tickets they had the name of the company on them.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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peanut posted:

This is going around LinkdIn.



I find this pretty interesting. It's a very standard (I think it's called) advance fee fraud scam, but without any of the common capital letters, YOUR MOST HONOURABLE JUDGE AND PRIEST, and all of the usual markers that it's speculated scammers use to whittle down the pool to only the most gullible. Obviously this is because of the market they're publishing on, but it's very interesting nonetheless.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Lutha Mahtin posted:

i don't work in that field but cc fraud prevention works partially on the idea of locality. purchases that are similar to recent purchases are considered less questionable than ones that are dissimilar. tge scammer in this case is hoping to manufacture a trail of "similar" purchases, to bridge the gap between whatever item OP purchased and whatever items a person can buy on eBay that provide the most bang for the buck. it's classic "try to hide from scrutiny" stuff imo

Yes, this is it.

Normal purchases = ok
Different type of purchase, same location = ok
Different purchase, different location = not ok
Similar purchase, different location = ok

So when you purchase a similar product for a new location, it goes through. And you can now make a Ďdifferent Ď purchase to that same location.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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If I had to guess, youíre generating leads for credit card companies. You qualify the customers which are eligible for a lower rate, and feed that to companies who will then try to get them to switch.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Absolutely no idea then. Canít think off the top of my head of any other reason.

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May 24, 2006

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TheParadigm posted:

I liked Molly's Game, after family took me to see it. I think its less scammy as much as exploring the lifestyle impacts of being in an environment conducive for being taken advantage of. Worth a watch on its own merits, i think.

Mollyís Game came to mind for me as well but I hesitated as - as you say - itís not really about a scam as much. Well worth watching though.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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The Lone Badger posted:

Why not just do a direct funds transfer?

What would happen if this was found to be from a compromised bank account? Could they reverse the transaction?

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Inceltown posted:

Having your email address for 20+ years guarantees you're going to show up on this list a few times. I even got an email the other day saying that I was in trouble and showing a plain text password. Given that I have used the same password manager for at least 10 years it was very easy to see exactly what site spilled my details - thanks 000webhost for what ever stupid project I set up on you years ago - and just laugh knowing that they had nothing on me.

Iím somehow not surprised to see 000webhost cocking up. This is the company that sent me an email to see if my account was still needed, and then deleted my entire account because I hadnít replied in 7 days. To a single email. While I was out of the country.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Here's a little article on carnival games. Nothing especially detailed, but a nice read.

Are carnival games rigged?

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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HerStuddMuffin posted:

Theyíre not interfering with the operation of the machine, so I donít think what theyíre doing qualifies as a scam, in spite of the journalist using that word several times.

In the same vein, card counting at blackjack isnít illegal, but it can definitely get you banned from a casino if youíre part of the tiny minority that actually does it properly.

Yeah, the article is a weird one. The two parts of your post I've quoted are the two different outcomes I think: In the first one I can't understand how they can be forced to forfeit winnings, that doesn't seem legal - unless it's in the T&Cs of the casino that you can't use any electronic equipment to help you gain and edge - and even then it's dodgy if that's enforced. But highly likely, given how much the area needs to keep the casinos sweet.

In the second one, it's not illegal, and I'm fairly sure you can't be forced to give up the money you've won (especially if you've cashed it out rather than just holding in chips) but the casino can absolutely ban you - it's a private premises and they can refuse admission for no reason at all.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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I think itís because theyíre saying itís worth less than $10, and the other place is saying itís worth enough that theyíre not comfortable giving a price without the owners say.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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BiggerBoat posted:

Hmmm....I wonder.

I watched a Frank Abignale lecture (the pioneer of identify theft and the subject of "Catch Me if You Can") and he says FB and social media will be the #1 driving force behind fraud, identity theft, etc. moving forward, which makes sense. People are willingly putting their place of birth, their children's names, their DOB, their pet's names, family histories, favorite movies, books and music and places of employment online for anyone to see. So basically about 3/4 of any security questions and password possibilities.

And to think, computer shopping and banking were sold in part as being incredibly secure.

Frank also co-hosts the podcast Ďthe perfect scamí which is really good, and talks about things like this.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Inceltown posted:

You just take the bill off them and place it across the register so you know what they gave you and hand out change after that. The idea of getting change sorted before actually having the money in your hand is bonkers.

If they want to do some fancy change business later you do that as a separate transaction.

It's pretty common in, for instance, France for the cashier to take your note and put it on the side of the register (out of your reach, but in sight) held with a magnet.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Tubgoat posted:

Forgive my non-cheque-using ignorance, but isn't bouncing a thing when you first go to deposit it? Will they re-withdraw the money from your account after honoring it? Will they send pigs to retrieve the money you withdrew from the check if you no longer have a balance?

When you deposit a cheque the funds are available immediately, but the cheque is sent off to the issuing bank after. If it then bounces your bank will debit the money from your account.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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EL BROMANCE posted:

He (Patrick Combs) used to have a website all about it, but it seems to be gone now and weirdly his official website as he's now a public speaker doesn't mention it at all. But there's a video of him telling the story, which given that he toured the show for a while and got awards it should be pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SzQZDNfR2w

An article he wrote about it in case you don't want to use up an hour - https://www.ft.com/content/93a47a62-daf0-11e1-8074-00144feab49a

Oh, how interesting. I remember reading this years and years ago as a teenager but never found how it ended as he put the final chapter behind a paywall.

As I remember the fact he put a smiley face on the cheque instead of signing it to endorse it was critical - it meant he hadnít actually meant to defraud or something.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Volmarias posted:

They don't, they just assume that you're lying if you claim to not be who they're looking for. All they want is blood from a stone and they don't care how they get it.

Oh absolutely, like the collectors who phoned me a few years ago and when I mentioned I had just moved in and had nothing to do with the previous tenants tried to convince me that as I lived there now, I owed the debt. (It was their utility bill)

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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-01/amazon-drivers-are-hanging-smartphones-in-trees-to-get-more-work

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Sydin posted:

Sorry if it came off like I was giving them poo poo, if anything it's loving sad that they have to jump through so many hoops just for the system to pay them something approaching a workable wage.


So that it looks like they are close to the pickup location and idle. You hang a bunch of phones in trees, go do an order, come back and pick up all the phones and hope you have multiple orders, do all of those in bulk, rinse repeat.

You donít even have to do that - the phones are set up to forward the order to your actual phones (through cloning usually) so they can just stay in the tree until they need charged.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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hyperhazard posted:

Piggybacking on that, if you want to be absolutely horrified, check out this autobiographical comic from a dude who survived Elan.

https://elan.school/

The part that made me angriest was that his parents didn't believe him after he was released, even when he showed them proof. The entire thing is so very hosed up.



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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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The BBC did a great radio series on OneCoin, which was a MLM riding the crypto wave.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50435014

What was amazing to me was that they got people like Igor Alberts and Andreea Cimbala into it - these are people that already sell MLMs, and simply pivot their GIGANTIC crowd of followers onto a new one.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Captain Monkey posted:

They can! Not only have I received annoyed calls and texts from people who got my number spoofed at them, Iíve also received spam calls from my own number.

That's a common tactic - apparently people are likely to pick up if it shows their own number. Makes sense, if only to find out 'what is this here?'

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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BiggerBoat posted:

Not sure of the Lie, Cheat, Steal podcast has been posted before but I've enjoyed a few of these episodes

https://www.stitcher.com/show/lie-cheat-steal

Life Cheat or Steal is a great podcast. It's co-hosted by Frank Abagnale for anyone interested.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Sorry, I meant ďthe perfect scamĒ, thatís got frank as a co host. Didnít know he had another though, Iíll check it out!

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May 24, 2006

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hyperhazard posted:

Weird, I just had a friend ask me the same thing -- she got a ton over the weekend. Guess you guys are on the same lists.

I'm in the UK and I've noticed a huge influx over the last month. Both SMS and calls spoofed from numbers three digits different to mine.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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EL BROMANCE posted:

Someone there with a landline will have to confirm, I moved away a few years ago and itíd been a while since I dealt with landlines before then. Thatís how the behavior always worked though and Iíd be surprised if it changed. It did have some uses, like someone could call you and youíd pick up the line closest and could then resume the call somewhere more comfortable. Of course it was always a pain if someone thought theyíd hung up but didnít, and tie up your line for however long (it will start blaring a loud noise out their handset after a while at least).

We used to have this problem every so often with my grandparents when I lived at home. They'd think they had put the phone properly, but it hadn't terminated the call.

And of course there is no way to call them back to tell them. Because obviously the mobile phone we got them is turned off and in a drawer, because it's only taken out when they went in the car.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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Haifisch posted:

Sites turning into "marketplaces" universally sucks rear end. I get why they do it - more money for them without having to do any of the work of shipping product - but it sucks on the buyer's end.

Hell, half the time I just use amazon to have another review pool to look at - actual window shopping on Amazon is a huge chore if you don't want whatever the top 2-3 things in a given search term/category are. (Bonus points if the top things are just color variations on one product or newer/older versions of the same thing)

And the random 'promoted' items when you're trying to search for something specific.

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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

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If it looks like a relatively cheap item it might be a review scam. Companies order something cheap to a random's address and then write a 5 star review. Amazon calls this brushing

https://clark.com/shopping-retail/amazon-scam-brushing-warning-deliveries-you-didnt-order/.

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