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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
"The party’s membership needs to be even bigger so it becomes a genuinely mass organization.”

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Baronjutter posted:

Of course GiP needs their own history thread. One in another sub forum might have an anti-military bias.

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
"The party’s membership needs to be even bigger so it becomes a genuinely mass organization.”

Living the Dream, Serving the King

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

i like how this nerd is calling gip out during an ancient history derail in the canadian politics thread in the socialist thunderdome known as d&d :yum:

It's my fault for implying Natives were treated better than Gauls. :hist101:

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
"The party’s membership needs to be even bigger so it becomes a genuinely mass organization.”

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Conflict between settled people and nomads, or broadly food producers and hunter-gatherers is a constant for human history.

What's crazy is that the nomads only won out in Eurasia. Without the horse, nomads were wiped out pretty much everywhere. The only Native American tribes that held out were the ones that farmed (Iroquois) or the ones that got horses (Plains Indians).

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
"The party’s membership needs to be even bigger so it becomes a genuinely mass organization.”

Living the Dream, Serving the King
The nomadic people you cite were wiped out when settled people made contact with them. The Colombian Divide might have kept them around until 1500 CE rather than 1500 BCE, but once Africa, Australia and the Americas came into contact with people with agriculture and horses, it was pretty much the end of their nomadic societies.

Even without Europeans this happened. The great Mesoamerican Civilizations and the Bantu used improved food production, division of labour and increased birthrates provided by settled agriculture and animal husbandry to out-compete ('wipe out') their nomadic, hunter-gatherer neighbors.

This happened in Polynesia as well, where the Maori started invading their neighbors as soon as they were able.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_people#Invasion_by_Taranaki_M.C4.81ori

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
"The party’s membership needs to be even bigger so it becomes a genuinely mass organization.”

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Kawasaki Nun posted:

Still outlasted the mongols. How exactly are we measuring in success here?

Outlasted only by not having contact with any other society. Your idea of "winning" only holds true if these nomadic societies are undisturbed indefinitely. The Mongols, Huns, Avar, Magyars etc. were able to compete with, and defeat settled societies for hundreds of years.

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
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Zeris posted:

New York is rather large and wasn't quite well populated enough for this to be true in revolutionary times according to my gut. Do you have a source?

Bill Bryson mentions it in one of his books. Something about how the settling of the plains and the ability to transport grain to market by railroad drew farmers from the coast. Why farm a tiny plot in New York when you can have a massive farm out west? The towns and cities could get grain from out west so cheaply by rail that having local farms wasn't very advantageous.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Godholio posted:

This is distinctly post-Revolution.

Oh I just meant to reinforce the forests not being old growth!

The Ohio valley was the frontier at the time of the revolution, of course people were farming in NY!

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
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Even before the war, 15% of French fighters were U.S types. P-36s accounted for almost 33% of aerial victories while making up 12% of French fighters.

In March 1940 the French bought:

200 - P-40
200 - P-40D
200 - P-39
500 - P-38
250 - Martin GM 187 (Baltimore)
550 - Douglas DB-7 (Havoc; Boston I, II)
60 - B-24 Liberator
200 - Vultee Dive Bomber (Vengence)
174 - Douglas SBD-3 (Dauntless)

That's pretty drat impressive! Too bad it's often overlooked in favour of Lend-Lease.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
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Does anyone know about the Easter Accords or other diplomatic efforts to bring Italy onside with the UK and France before WWII? Italy siding with Hitler and then attacking France in 1940 is still perplexing to me.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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British tank procurement was a special kind of nightmare. Say what you will about the Sherman, the British were unable to get reliable tanks with effective guns until maybe the Cromwell and by the time it entered service, it was iffy. The Comet was pretty good, and it entered service in the winter of '44.

Bad doctrine, bad engines, bad transmissions, small turret rings and therefore small guns.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

"We’ve got to stand up for what we believe in as a Labour movement."
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

i love the mosquito because it was a loving wood and canvas plane in an era dominated by aluminium and steel

The Germans were so surprised by the performance that they tried to copy it and failed.

quote:

By June 1944, the Jumo 213 was finally arriving in some numbers, and a production run of 154 A-1s were completed with these engines. Just prior to delivery the only factory making Tego-Film, in Wuppertal, was bombed out by the Royal Air Force, and the plywood glue had to be replaced by one that was not as strong, and was later found to react chemically, apparently in a corrosive manner, with the wood in the Ta 154's structure. In July, several A-1s crashed with wing failure due to plywood delamination.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_154

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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Does anyone know where historiography has settled on Italy in WW2?

Depending on the decade of publication I've seen everything from: "They were hopelessly incompetent" to "Lions led by Donkeys" to "Brave but poorly equipped" to "They were betrayed by the Germans strategic blunders" to "Finest fighting force of the war, man to man".

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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

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The U.S. Army’s Tank-Destroyers Weren’t the Failure History Has Made Them Out to Be

quote:

After the war, the U.S. Army concluded tank destroyers were a waste of time. Official histories excoriated the failure of the program.
But a look at historical records shows that tank destroyers actually did their job well.

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