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oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Luckily for Gary, we don't even have to imagine!

  • spying on citizens' private communications - "From George Washington to Thomas Jefferson, the key members of the founding generation believed that intelligence operations were essential to the defense of the United States, including the 18th-century equivalent of today’s electronic eavesdropping — clandestine mail opening. Certainly none of the Founders spoke about a "right to privacy," nor did James Madison initiate the effort to amend the Constitution with what became known as a "Bill of Rights."" source

  • monitoring financial transactions - "County courts in Virginia exercised what conservatives today would consider outrageous power over economic relationships and transactions. They could set the prices innkeepers could charge their customers -- that sort of thing. We might now recognize such powers as unwise or misguided, but Jefferson and Washington seem to have taken it for granted," source

these points and links owned, thanks

funny how a certain type of lazy ignorant person confuses being interested in history with being interested in yanking convenient facts out of context and reconfiguring them into a just so story for the purpose of winning current events arguments

oystertoadfish has issued a correction as of 06:46 on Feb 27, 2016

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