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What does this even mean? I'm not a miller. I'm a visitor. My sole role is to gently caress with trackers or watchers. I target someone in the night but don't actually do anything, I just get seen visiting that person if there is a tracker or watcher. I'm pretty sure this game is all about loving with the night results. We've had a framer (or farmer) flip with a cop and a backup cop.
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You should've claimed Visitor on d1 if that's your role.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:21
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merk posted:You should've claimed Visitor on d1 if that's your role. Why would I claim it on D1? Why wouldn't I just hope that I don't get seen? Why did you target me on N2? Who did you target on D1?
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Mar 7, 2016 22:22
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merk posted:You should've claimed Visitor on d1 if that's your role. This is correct, yes.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:23
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TMMadman posted:What does this even mean? I'm not a miller. You're not a miller, but your role fills the same purpose except with trackers/watchers. If you have a role which is entirely based around causing false positives for investigations, you should just claim d1.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:23
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TMMadman posted:Why would I claim it on D1? Why wouldn't I just hope that I don't get seen? Claiming day one is better for town.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:23
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TMMadman posted:What does this even mean? I'm not a miller. Visitor is essentially the same thing as Miller; both should be claimed D1 to avoid obfuscating night results. preview: merk beat me to it
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Mar 7, 2016 22:24
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So did everyone else apparently
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Mar 7, 2016 22:24
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Why, so I can get lynched in D1? Tracking results aren't conclusive, so there is no reason to claim visitor on D1. And once again, someone explain why I wasn't hyperaware of the votes on D1? How does it make sense for scum to mess up the D1 vote?
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Mar 7, 2016 22:26
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And if I get tracked to someone who doesn't die in the night then I'm not in this position. There's no way I'm ever claiming visitor on D1.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:27
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nah lol
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Mar 7, 2016 22:28
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An obfuscating role claim is worthless when claimed AFTER the investigation.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:28
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And if I had been able to post yesterday then I would have claimed the same loving thing. But just because I couldn't post, it's now 'oh you must be guilty' and ' you should have claimed on d1'
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Mar 7, 2016 22:29
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TMMadman posted:Why would I claim it on D1? Why wouldn't I just hope that I don't get seen? You're scum. You're scum. You're scum. Nope.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:30
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Seriously though, why not claim D1?
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Mar 7, 2016 22:30
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Because it's better to roll the dice on whether you'd be seen!!!!
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Mar 7, 2016 22:31
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merk posted:You're scum. So explain why I messed up the vote on D1 if I'm scum? Do you think I'm scum with SSV who should have been lynched? With DBD who messed up his vote?
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Mar 7, 2016 22:32
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I've put visitors in my games before so I don't think it's a crazy claim but the whole post just seems too tidy and thought out. It's hard to explain really, it just reads... wrong. Like I know when I'm scum and I have to claim I have to make sure every part of my post is perfect and that's what it sort of seems like. It's a lovely explanation, but that's how I read TMM's post. I also don't like the last part being brought up about catching or not catching votes. It was a helpful thing you were doing and that was that. Nobody really brought it up and you are using it as a reasoning to why you aren't scum. At best it's a helpful thing you did, but I don't think that really exonerates you from any other feelings that people have. I think your interaction / lack there of with Quidnose who was pretty involved with things D1 is a lot more damning.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:32
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Don't know or care until after you flip.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:32
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SirSamVimes posted:Seriously though, why not claim D1? Because if I don't get tracked or get tracked to someone who doesn't die then I'm in the clear. Even the wiki page for visitor doesn't say 'you should claim on D1' like it does for a miller.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:33
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oh well if the WIKI says it
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Mar 7, 2016 22:33
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TMMadman posted:Because if I don't get tracked or get tracked to someone who doesn't die then I'm in the clear. PACK IT IN BOIZ
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Mar 7, 2016 22:34
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TMM if you really are town, see if you can give us a more likely scum target instead of just defending your terrible decision to not claim.
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Deadbeat Dad posted:I've put visitors in my games before so I don't think it's a crazy claim but the whole post just seems too tidy and thought out. It's hard to explain really, it just reads... wrong. Like I know when I'm scum and I have to claim I have to make sure every part of my post is perfect and that's what it sort of seems like. It's a lovely explanation, but that's how I read TMM's post. If I'm scum, then I'm going to he hyperaware of the votes and looking to mislynch someone. I'm not going to let you miss unvoting. It doesn't make sense unless SSV is also scum. I'm really just getting pounded here because I wasn't able to make my claim yesterday. It would have been exactly the same post, except it wouldn't have the reasons I could post until I did in it.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:36
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SirSamVimes posted:TMM if you really are town, see if you can give us a more likely scum target instead of just defending your terrible decision to not claim. I think Keane is an excellent target. Look at how he egged on the day and kept saying he wanted to see me shot. He is slinging poo poo at me, but not voting on it.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:37
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TMMadman posted:If I'm scum, then I'm going to he hyperaware of the votes and looking to mislynch someone. I'm not going to let you miss unvoting. It doesn't make sense unless SSV is also scum. Why couldn't you be scum and simply miss it though? Everybody missed it. Even the scum in the game, why wouldn't the other scum in the game be aware of this and point it out to me? Personally, when or when you didn't claim wouldn't have really changed for me whether I thought you were scum or town, but I can't speak for others. Who is pinging you the most? Only Keane?
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Mar 7, 2016 22:39
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Also, I'd be willing to look at Jedit today because I thought he'd post a bit more, but he has been pretty absent. Some of that may be due to merk and the soft claim though. Everyone just kind of let the day slip away after that soft claim.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:40
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People I think are town: MMT, DBD, FL. People who are probably town: Tomm (still wary of a godfather), SSV (I'll be pissed if he flips scum and I inadvertently saved him on D1), merk (wrong about me but hasn't been counterclaimed). People I think are scum: everyone else.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:44
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My last post is grammatically structured really badly and I blame it on all of the taquitos I just ate.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:45
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TMMadman posted:I think Keane is an excellent target. Look at how he egged on the day and kept saying he wanted to see me shot. He is slinging poo poo at me, but not voting on it. Haha, this is terrible.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:49
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CCKeane posted:Haha, this is terrible. Whatever you say scumbo.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:52
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 Okay.
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Mar 7, 2016 22:54
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TMMadman posted:Because if I don't get tracked or get tracked to someone who doesn't die then I'm in the clear. This is just my opinion, but busy people who get Visitor as their role don't read the Mafia Wiki entry on "Visitor"; people lying and looking for information to support a fakeclaim do.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:10
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Murmur Twin posted:This is just my opinion, but busy people who get Visitor as their role don't read the Mafia Wiki entry on "Visitor"; people lying and looking for information to support a fakeclaim do. Or someone who gets visitor and looks at the wiki page before confirming into the game.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:14
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TMMadman posted:Also, I'd be willing to look at Jedit today because I thought he'd post a bit more, but he has been pretty absent. Some of that may be due to merk and the soft claim though. Yeah, sorry, I got distracted by life. I'm here now and will be looking in regularly for the next two or three hours. That said, I'm not sure what there is to say. I just don't see any way that merk can be lying here, and you would be really unfortunate to have visited the NK target as Town.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:15
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Jedit posted:Yeah, sorry, I got distracted by life. I'm here now and will be looking in regularly for the next two or three hours. Go look at the Sentinels of the Multiverse game that was run by Little Mac recently. My role could create an unconfirmed masonry with someone each night and for N1 and N2, I visited the NK target. I'm apparently really good at inadvertently picking the NK target. I know merk isn't lying about me visiting Bird and I'm not denying it. I'm just saying that he is coming to the wrong conclusion and I think the game state as it is should make that fairly evident. This game has a cop, a backup cop, a framer, a tracker and a visitor. It's apparently a game that is all about messing with the night results.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:20
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And let's not all forget that Taste has a role too. Maybe he is a doctor, but I don't think a doctor would claim being roleblocked at the start of D2. So maybe we should be looking harder at Taste since he's claimed to be roleblocked twice even though there was an outed cop on N2.
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Mar 7, 2016 23:24
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Murmur Twin posted:This is just my opinion, but busy people who get Visitor as their role don't read the Mafia Wiki entry on "Visitor"; people lying and looking for information to support a fakeclaim do. There's a tendency round here to policy lynch people who claim roles that make them look guilty on Day 1. I'm not going to blame someone for not doing so.
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##vote TMMadman Just too many things to ignore and there isn't enough on anybody else for me to feel comfortable lynching them, I've raised my suspicion since the start of the day. My second choice would be Max, third I'm not too sure about yet. I think there's a really good chance he flips scum but if he actually is telling the truth we have some rope to play with and the posts he made / the way people have reacted to him is a bit telling. Could be some bussing going on with mafia identifying that TMM is most likely a goner, and his post about who he feels is town/scum may be worth looking at in a few different lights tomorrow depending on the flip. I have to take a nap, I'm loving exhausted. Sorry TMM, I always have a soft spot for people that defend me when I'm getting heat early as town but after D1 you haven't looked so great.
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