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Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.
:siren:MLB115559:siren:

What the heck is this, anyway?
What If Sports is a service for simulating leagues of historical sports players, and Sim League Baseball is the only one that's worth a poo poo. Want to pit the Ruth and Gehrig Yankees against Koufax and Drysdale? Want to have a pitching staff of all knuckleballers? Every historical season from 1885 on is ready to be slotted into whatever team you choose!


Pictured: the platonic ideal

That sounds good, so why are we here?
The theme for season 27 is Four Horsemen! All players are assigned one player from each of these four lists:

- most expensive position player each year
- least expensive qualified position player
- most expensive pitcher
- least expensive qualified pitcher

Your horsemen must qualify for leaderboards in order for you to qualify for the playoffs (that means 502 PA/162 IP!).

You'll then fill out your team with players from the four years your horsemen come from, with the following stipulations:
- any other horseman is off limits; no using '15 Jake Arrieta if you get '15 Pablo Sandoval
- you may send one horseman back and get assigned a new one
- the salary cap is $100 million
- there will be no DH, trading, waiver acquisitions, or AAA
- Clones are allowed. There's a decent amount of people who have years clustered close together and otherwise that puts them at a disadvantage.
- Your eligible ballparks are any park one of your horsemen played in in his career

Post in here to sign up! When you sign up I'll give you your initial roll of horsemen.

Players:
1. Bob Shabazz (1935 Arky Vaughan, 1995 Todd Zeile, 1963 Sandy Koufax, 1908 George Bell)
2. Pumpkin McPastry (1975 Joe Morgan, 2002 Deivi Cruz, 1971 Vida Blue, 1954 Alex Kellner)
3. ArtVandelay (1942 Ted Williams, 2009 Jason Kendall, 1962 Don Drysdale, 1993 Rick Sutcliffe)
4. gyroball (1929 Rogers Hornsby, 2005 Scott Hatteberg, 2002 Curt Schilling, 1975 Mike Caldwell)
5. Male. Bi. Unix (1989 Kirby Puckett, 1965 Hal Lanier, 1902 Cy Young, 1977 Jack Billingham)
6. Power of Pecota (1985 Wade Boggs, 1976 Dave Chalk, 1964 Don Drysdale, 1970 Denny Lemaster)
7. Nerokerubina (1978 Jim Rice, 1975 Larvell Blanks, 1915 Pete Alexander, 1919 Red Faber)
8. EvilBeard (1919 Babe Ruth, 2011 John Buck, 2001 Randy Johnson, 1922 Percy Jones)
9. jeffersonlives (1905 Cy Seymour, 1925 Jackie Tavener, 1996 John Smoltz, 2013 Joe Saunders)
10. kensei (1908 Honus Wagner, 1985 Bobby Meacham, 1958 Warren Spahn, 2005 Jose Lima)
11. Tavarin (2000 Todd Helton, 1934 Tommy Thevenow, 2010 Felix Hernandez, 1948 Ray Poat)
12. CFBalla (1997 Larry Walker, 1955 Joe DeMaestri, 1909 Mordecai Brown, 1959 Herb Score)
13. JosefStalinator (1998 Mark McGwire, 1958 Eddie Yost, 1980 Steve Carlton, 2015 CC Sabathia)
14. gardenald (2008 Albert Pujols, 1959 Jim Davenport, 2000 Pedro Martinez, 1961 Cal McLish)
15. Zamboni Jesus (1964 Willie Mays, 1991 Alvin Davis, 1988 Roger Clemens, 1927 Tony Welzer)
16. Ivan Drago (1941 Ted Williams, 1927 Wally Gerber, 1924 Dazzy Vance, 1988 Richard Dotson)
17. Accident Underwater (1930 Lou Gehrig, 1905 Fred Raymer, 1917 Eddie Cicotte, 1942 Lefty Hoerst)
18. angrygodofjebus (1917 Ty Cobb, 2010 Jorge Cantu, 1969 Bob Gibson, 2002 Denny Neagle)
19. foolish_fool (1931 Babe Ruth, 1971 Luis Aparicio, 1995 Greg Maddux, 1989 Storm Davis)
20. Atheistdeals.com (1916 Tris Speaker, 1972 Marty Perez, 2012 Clayton Kershaw, 1957 Don Mossi)
21. Scrotos (1921 Babe Ruth, 1910 Bud Sharpe, 1987 Roger Clemens, 1983 Dennis Eckersley)
22. Groucho Marxist (2003 Barry Bonds, 1903 John Gochnaur, 1986 Mike Scott, 1907 Bill Hogg)
23. NotShellBill (2005 Derrek Lee, 1937 Leo Durocher, 1967 Jim Bunning, 1936 Orville Jorgens)
24. ThatsMyBoye (1960 Willie Mays, 1901 Bones Ely, 2015 Jake Arrieta, 1921 Rollie Naylor)

Bob Shabazz fucked around with this message at 05:18 on May 5, 2016

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Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.
pre:
Year      Good Hitter              Bad Hitter               Good Pitcher              Bad Pitcher
2015     M. Trout                 P. Sandoval              J. Arrieta                C. Sabathia
2014     M. Trout                 D. Brown                 F. Hernandez              C. Lewis
2013     M. Trout                 M. Reynolds              C. Kershaw                J. Saunders
2012     A. McCutchen             B. Boesch                C. Kershaw                I. Nova
2011     J. Bautista              J. Buck                  J. Verlander              B. Penny
2010     A. Pujols                J. Cantu                 F. Hernandez              B. Bergesen
2009     A. Pujols                J. Kendall               T. Lincecum               J. Moyer
2008     A. Pujols                J. Keppinger             C. Sabathia               B. Backe
2007     I. Suzuki                J. Kendall               J. Peavy                  S. Olsen
2006     A. Pujols                B. Ausmus                J. Santana                C. Silva
2005     D. Lee                   S. Hatteberg             R. Clemens                J. Lima
2004     B. Bonds                 E. Martinez              R. Johnson                B. Anderson
2003     B. Bonds                 K. Harvey                J. Schmidt                D. Moss
2002     B. Bonds                 D. Cruz                  C. Schilling              D. Neagle
2001     B. Bonds                 M. Barrett               R. Johnson                D. Mlicki
2000     T. Helton                D. Relaford              P. Martinez               O. Daal
1999     B. Williams              M. Morandini             P. Martinez               L. Hawkins
1998     M. McGwire               E. Sprague               G. Maddux                 J. Navarro
1997     L. Walker                O. Guillen               R. Clemens                G. Rusch
1996     B. Anderson              O. Guillen               J. Smoltz                 D. Wengert
1995     A. Belle                 T. Zeile                 G. Maddux                 T. Mulholland
1994     J. Bagwell               D. Schofield             G. Maddux                 B. Gullickson
1993     B. Bonds                 F. Fermin                G. Maddux                 R. Sutcliffe
1992     K. Puckett               D. Schofield             G. Maddux                 R. Bones
1991     C. Ripken, Jr.           A. Davis                 R. Clemens                K. McCaskill
1990     L. Dykstra               A. Griffin               R. Clemens                F. Tanana
1989     K. Puckett               R. Ramirez               B. Saberhagen             S. Davis
1988     K. Puckett               R. Santana               R. Clemens                R. Dotson
1987     W. Boggs                 S. Owen                  R. Clemens                B. Knepper
1986     D. Mattingly             S. Lombardozzi           M. Scott                  S. Carlton
1985     W. Boggs                 B. Meacham               D. Gooden                 D. Martinez
1984     R. Sandberg              C. Wilkerson             D. Gooden                 J. Slaton
1983     C. Ripken, Jr.           R. Dauer                 D. Stieb                  D. Eckersley
1982     R. Yount                 G. Hoffman               S. Carlton                R. Honeycutt
1981     M. Schmidt               M. Squires               F. Valenzuela             F. Jenkins
1980     G. Brett                 H. Baines                S. Carlton                M. Bomback
1979     F. Lynn                  T. Veryzer               J. Richard                P. Huffman
1978     J. Rice                  D. Chalk                 R. Guidry                 W. Wood
1977     R. Carew                 M. Champion              N. Ryan                   J. Billingham
1976     J. Morgan                D. Chalk                 F. Tanana                 J. Hughes
1975     J. Morgan                L. Blanks                C. Hunter                 M. Caldwell
1974     J. Bench                 C. Robinson              G. Perry                  V. Albury
1973     J. Morgan                M. Tyson                 T. Seaver                 M. Pappas
1972     J. Bench                 M. Perez                 S. Carlton                K. Forsch
1971     J. Torre                 L. Aparicio              V. Blue                   C. Short
1970     C. Yastrzemski           R. Pena                  B. Gibson                 D. Lemaster
1969     P. Rose                  L. Brown                 B. Gibson                 G. Brunet
1968     H. Aaron                 W. Parker                B. Gibson                 J. Niekro
1967     C. Yastrzemski           R. Fairly                J. Bunning                S. Ellis
1966     F. Robinson              W. Woodward              J. Marichal               R. Washburn
1965     W. Mays                  H. Lanier                S. Koufax                 B. Buhl
1964     W. Mays                  A. Spangler              D. Drysdale               J. Lamabe
1963     W. Mays                  B. Aspromonte            S. Koufax                 G. Hobbie
1962     W. Mays                  F. Mantilla              D. Drysdale               G. Hobbie
1961     M. Mantle                C. Smith                 W. Ford                   C. McLish
1960     W. Mays                  K. Hamlin                D. Drysdale               F. Sullivan
1959     E. Banks                 J. Davenport             C. Pascual                H. Score
1958     W. Mays                  E. Yost                  W. Spahn                  J. Wilson
1957     M. Mantle                B. Morgan                J. Bunning                D. Mossi
1956     M. Mantle                D. Hoak                  H. Score                  W. Hacker
1955     W. Mays                  J. Demaestri             R. Roberts                M. Surkont
1954     W. Mays                  G. Allie                 R. Roberts                A. Kellner
1953     A. Rosen                 J. Dittmer               R. Roberts                C. Bishop
1952     S. Musial                B. Cox                   B. Lemon                  T. Lown
1951     S. Musial                F. Marsh                 R. Roberts                D. Johnson
1950     S. Musial                D. Mueller               W. Spahn                  R. Meyer
1949     T. Williams              J. Russell               B. Lemon                  J. Vander Meer
1948     S. Musial                V. Stallcup              B. Lemon                  R. Poat
1947     T. Williams              E. Yost                  W. Spahn                  J. Coleman
1946     T. Williams              C. Stevens               B. Feller                 R. Scarborough
1945     T. Holmes                W. Williams              H. Newhouser              J. Humphries
1944     S. Musial                S. Webb                  D. Trout                  R. Wolff
1943     S. Musial                P. Suder                 S. Chandler               K. Chase
1942     T. Williams              J. Wasdell               M. Cooper                 L. Hoerst
1941     T. Williams              S. Benjamin              W. Wyatt                  B. Harris
1940     J. Dimaggio              B. Hassett               B. Feller                 G. Caster
1939     J. Dimaggio              J. Berardino             B. Walters                B. Beckmann
1938     J. Foxx                  C. Klein                 C. Bryant                 E. Whitehill
1937     J. Medwick               L. Durocher              L. Gomez                  C. Hogsett
1936     L. Gehrig                T. Jackson               C. Hubbell                O. Jorgens
1935     A. Vaughan               B. Urbanski              W. Ferrell                E. Brandt
1934     L. Gehrig                T. Thevenow              C. Hubbell                L. Stewart
1933     J. Foxx                  J. Levey                 C. Hubbell                B. Walker
1932     J. Foxx                  U. Pickering             A. Crowder                B. Walker
1931     B. Ruth                  J. Levey                 L. Grove                  T. Bridges
1930     L. Gehrig                F. Brickell              L. Grove                  L. Sweetland
1929     R. Hornsby               B. Reeves                R. Lucas                  C. Dudley
1928     R. Hornsby               H. Sand                  B. Grimes                 G. Grant
1927     L. Gehrig                W. Gerber                T. Lyons                  T. Welzer
1926     B. Ruth                  M. Carey                 G. Uhle                   J. Barnes
1925     R. Hornsby               J. Tavener               P. Donohue                J. Petty
1924     R. Hornsby               T. Griffith              D. Vance                  W. Glazner
1923     B. Ruth                  E. Scott                 D. Luque                  W. Glazner
1922     R. Hornsby               R. Young                 R. Faber                  P. Jones
1921     B. Ruth                  F. O'Rourke              C. Mays                   R. Naylor
1920     B. Ruth                  I. Griffin               P. Alexander              H. Harper
1919     B. Ruth                  S. Vick                  W. Johnson                R. Faber
1918     T. Cobb                  J. Dugan                 W. Johnson                B. Gallia
1917     T. Cobb                  J. Barry                 E. Cicotte                G. Morton
1916     T. Speaker               J. Gedeon                W. Johnson                R. Fisher
1915     T. Cobb                  H. Moran                 P. Alexander              R. Bressler
1914     T. Speaker               H. Miller                C. Hendrix                H. Perdue
1913     T. Speaker               B. Fisher                W. Johnson                R. Keating
1912     T. Speaker               B. Weaver                W. Johnson                E. Yingling
1911     T. Cobb                  B. Tooley                E. Walsh                  R. Golden
1910     N. Lajoie                B. Sharpe                E. Walsh                  B. Pelty
1909     E. Collins               J. Barry                 M. Brown                  K. Wilhelm
1908     H. Wagner                C. Chappy                E. Walsh                  G. Bell
1907     T. Leach                 W. Keeler                E. Walsh                  B. Hogg
1906     N. Lajoie                C. O'Leary               M. Brown                  E. Smith
1905     C. Seymour               F. Raymer                C. Mathewson              O. Jones
1904     N. Lajoie                H. Hill                  J. Chesbro                J. Sutthoff
1903     H. Wagner                J. Gochnauer             J. McGinnity              B. Rhoads
1902     H. Wagner                P. Childs                C. Young                  S. Wiltse
1901     N. Lajoie                B. Ely                   C. Young                  W. Piatt
1900     H. Wagner                B. McCormick             B. Dinneen                J. Dunn

ArtVandelay
Jul 13, 2004

I'm in. Give me some lovely player I can complain about!

gyroball
Jul 29, 2003

Fortunately, the people found a mighty Rosenthal, called Trevor.

I'm in yo

saffi faildotter
Mar 2, 2007

In

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9kQBz9azy8

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.
First rolls are posted for everyone in so far, at the bottom of the OP.

My roll for posterity https://twitter.com/Nick_TCS/status/705525211098128384

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Cool, I'll tinker around when I have a chance later, but Denny Lemaster (as far as bad pitching horsemen go) and '85 Boggs seem like pretty legit rolls.

ArtVandelay
Jul 13, 2004

2009 Jason Kendall is bad. But I think it could be much worse.

Ken Forsch on the other hand. Ouch!

EvilBeard
Apr 24, 2003

Big Q's House of Pancakes

Fun Shoe
I am here to mire in mediocrity.

gyroball
Jul 29, 2003

Fortunately, the people found a mighty Rosenthal, called Trevor.

gently caress it, let's reroll 1947 Yost. Can't deal with a zero HR in the lineup and 47 doesn't get me anything rad

ArtVandelay
Jul 13, 2004

Think i'm going to tandem Forsch with 62 Koufax. That should be fun.

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.

gyroball posted:

gently caress it, let's reroll 1947 Yost. Can't deal with a zero HR in the lineup and 47 doesn't get me anything rad

2005 Scott Hatteberg

gyroball
Jul 29, 2003

Fortunately, the people found a mighty Rosenthal, called Trevor.

Bob Shabazz posted:

2005 Scott Hatteberg

yaaaay not brutal OBP

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer
I'm in, if there's room.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


I'm in please

Tavarin
May 10, 2003

I am definitely a madman with a box
Sure what the heck, I'll join because PMP is cool dude.

CFBalla
Sep 16, 2009

Yeah, I just made that shot. :smug:
I've never done a WiS game before, but I really like the concept so I'm in.

Pumpkin McPastry
Mar 8, 2004

What else do I have to do to impress you people?
Think I'm gonna re-roll Kershaw.

Tavarin
May 10, 2003

I am definitely a madman with a box
Gonna re-roll Les Sweetland despite his swell name.

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.

Pumpkin McPastry posted:

Think I'm gonna re-roll Kershaw.

1971 Vida Blue

Tavarin posted:

Gonna re-roll Les Sweetland despite his swell name.

1948 Ray Poat

I'm rerolling Virgil Stallcup.

Bob Shabazz fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Mar 4, 2016

CFBalla
Sep 16, 2009

Yeah, I just made that shot. :smug:

Bob Shabazz posted:

12. CFBalla (1997 Larry Walker, 1955 Joe DeMaestri, 1909 Mordecai Brown, 2000 Omar Daal)

Sweet. I'll reroll Omar Daal.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


I need to re-roll Meacham because I can't have both my batters as SS please.

Eh screw it I will play him at 2B

kensei fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Mar 4, 2016

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.

CFBalla posted:

Sweet. I'll reroll Omar Daal.

1959 Herb Score

Pumpkin McPastry
Mar 8, 2004

What else do I have to do to impress you people?

Bob Shabazz posted:

1971 Vida Blue

This is about as good of a non-deadballer I could hope for. I'm sure I'll get really pissed at my bad horses but that's kind of the point

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer
You didn't get me on the list :(

Tavarin
May 10, 2003

I am definitely a madman with a box
Well, it's been quite a while since I ran a Sim League Team, so there will probably be some changes, but here's version 1 of a team to be named later. - http://i.imgur.com/J2bfJcJ.png

Oh right, can't use Pedro. Here is my latest version:

Tavarin fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 4, 2016

ArtVandelay
Jul 13, 2004

I can really only do one of 1962 Willie, 1962 Frank Robinson, '62 Hank, '42 Joe D, or '62 Mantle.


This is tough

This is my first try, probably gonna change this 50 times

ArtVandelay fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Mar 4, 2016

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.

JosefStalinator posted:

You didn't get me on the list :(

We're definitely not full! Yours are up there now.

gardenald
Jul 23, 2007

In the end, it comes down to throwing one pitch after another, and seeing what happens. With each new consequence, the game begins to take shape.
gently caress yes

Zamboni Jesus
Jul 3, 2007

We don't really care about what that bug-eyed fat walrus has to say
in this thing

Zamboni Jesus
Jul 3, 2007

We don't really care about what that bug-eyed fat walrus has to say

quote:

10. kensei (1908 Honus Wagner, 1985 Bobby Meacham, 1958 Warren Spahn, 2005 Jose Lima)

yesssssssssssss lima time

gardenald
Jul 23, 2007

In the end, it comes down to throwing one pitch after another, and seeing what happens. With each new consequence, the game begins to take shape.

Bob Shabazz posted:

14. gardenald (1935 Ed Brandt)

This dude, gently caress this dude, gently caress 30s pitching, I'm throwing him back

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.

gardenald posted:

This dude, gently caress this dude, gently caress 30s pitching, I'm throwing him back

1961 Cal McLish

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


Zamboni Jesus posted:

yesssssssssssss lima time

That was my IRL reaction!

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.
I should specify a couple rules that I left out of the OP:

- Clones are allowed. There's a decent amount of people who have years clustered close together and otherwise that puts them at a disadvantage.
- Your eligible ballparks are any park one of your horsemen played in in his career

Pumpkin McPastry
Mar 8, 2004

What else do I have to do to impress you people?

Bob Shabazz posted:

I should specify a couple rules that I left out of the OP:

- Clones are allowed. There's a decent amount of people who have years clustered close together and otherwise that puts them at a disadvantage.
- Your eligible ballparks are any park one of your horsemen played in in his career

Can you elaborate on what it means that clones are allowed?

(By the way this is going to take me forever to build a team sorry in advance)

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.
Sure. Using multiple versions of the same player is fine, there's just a limit of one each per year you have assigned. So if you had 2004 and 1994, you could use '94 Larry Walker and '04 Larry Walker, but not '04 Walker's Cardinals split and '04 Walker's Rockies split.

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.
Goal for tonight or tomorrow is a big post about team-building, since we have people who are either totally new or haven't dealt with a salary cap/evaluating players across eras.

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gardenald
Jul 23, 2007

In the end, it comes down to throwing one pitch after another, and seeing what happens. With each new consequence, the game begins to take shape.

Bob Shabazz posted:

1961 Cal McLish

NOT HELPING

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