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whitehelm
Apr 20, 2008

Geokinesis posted:

Is the DLC case meant to be done after the main game?

The DLC case is completely stand-alone and has pretty much nothing to do with the plot of the game. You should play it sometime after case 2 because case 2 introduces a couple characters but other than that it doesn't matter. I don't know why HenryEx said it was mandatory, it isn't.

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Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
It's only mandatory in that it's goddamned hilarious. It's also more focus on Phoenix than you get for most of the game.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Waffleman_ posted:

This one textbox is the sole foundation we use to lay out the entire Ace Attorney timeline. This is literally the only time a specific year is mentioned in any of the games. Every other time an event from the past is brought up, it's in relative years ago. I didn't even think Capcom had acknowledged the timeline until they started talking about it when it began in real time.

Also, the live-action movie, despite being set in "20XX," has a DL-6 evidence tag show the crime as happening in 2012, the year of the movie's release, making that movie take place in 2027.

2001 is also when the first game came out.

Also, the events of the first game are happening this year.

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Oct 25, 2007

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Anyway, Dual Destineis is good and the DLC is good but we will not be discussing details.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

The DL-C Incident

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
God, I hope the parrot did it, somehow. Maybe she made the second gunshot sound.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Now I just have the image of the defense attorney taking Edgeworth out onto the lake to show him how it was done.

"But pay close attention -- I can only do this once."

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Oct 25, 2007

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Case 4 - Turnabout Goodbyes
Trial (Day 3) - Part 1











: The defense is ready, Your Honor.
: ... ...
: Very well, apparently the prosecution is also ready.
: (Who is the judge here, anyway!?)
: Mr. von Karma, your opening statement.
: ... ...
: Er... very well, no opening statements so...



: Not so fast, Judge!
: I was taking a meaningful pause before speaking!
: R-right, of course.
: A prediction!



: Today's trial will end three minutes from now!





: Order... order!
: Mr. von Karma! What is the meaning of your statement just now!?



: Bah! Must you question everything! It will be over in three minutes! We have no time to waste!
: I'll call my witness now!
: R-right...
: I call my witness... my decisive witness to the stand!
: (It's that mysterious boat shop owner.)



: Witness... state your profession.



: Mmph... zzzz... ... I, er, am the proprietor of the restaurant the "Wet Noodle" at Gourd Lake.



: ...
: And I, er, also rent boats.
: The night of the incident, you were in the boat rental shop, correct?
: Er... ayup, yup I was.
: Please testify.
: (Wait a second...)





: (On second thought, I guess it doesn't really matter.)
: Doesn't matter!? What are you thinking, Nick!? What if that old man had something to do with the DL-6 Incident? If we don't find out who he is, we won't be able to build a case here!
: (Hmm, she has a point.)

This drops us where the other choice starts.





: Wait a minute!
: The witness hasn't stated his name yet!



: Because I did not ask him, Mr. Wright! Bah! I have predicted this trial will end in three minutes!



: Stop asking trivial questions and cooperate!
: (Yeah, right!)



: The witness will state his name.



: Zzzz... ... Mmph! Well, er... I'm not really sure, ayup.
: What do you mean?
: My, er, memory...
: Your honor... The witness does not remember anything beyond the last several years...
: Ergo, he cannot recall his own name.
: Hmm... he can't recall, you say?
: Yes, but the incident in question took place three days ago. He can testify.
: Very well.
: Let's hear his testimony then, shall we. Witness?

















: Hmm...
: Very well. I'd like to begin the cross-examination...





: There is nothing to question in my witness's testimony! Ergo, no need for cross-examination!
: Besides, there are only 10 seconds left before our three minutes are up!





: Judge! Your verdict, now!
: Er... yes...





: (He's right. That testimony sounded pretty solid. Maybe I should hold back.)
: B-but, Nick! You have to cross-examine him! This is your only chance to turn this trial around! Your last chance!
: (O-oh... right.)

Or we could go for the smarter answer.





: What are you saying!? Of course I'll cross-examine the witness!
: Hmm...
: Very well, you may begin.

Convergence.



: E-excuse me? Mr. von Karma?
: Three minutes just passed.
: I see. Well then, let's just take our time.
: You may cross-examine the witness.









: "Just after midnight," you say?
: Ayup, just around then.
: Are you sure?
: Pretty sure, ayup.
: When I talked to you yesterday, you were rather vague about the time... I'm surprised you seem so sure about it today.





: I asked him, and he remembered. Isn't that right!?



: Zzzz... D-don't glare at me like that...!
: I, er... I remembered it clearly, I did. Ayup.
: You see? Continue!





: Is there anyone who can verify that?
: ... Well, I guess Polly could.



: Th-that's not good enough for a court of law!
: Mr. Wright... exactly what's not good enough?
: Ah, uh, Your Honor, this "Polly" is a parrot.
: A... parrot?
: Don't be so hard on the girl, Keithy-boy!
: Keith...?



: The prosecution concedes that we cannot prove the witness was in the shop. Witness... please continue.





: And where did the "bang" seem to come from?



: From the lake, I figure.



: Are you certain?
: A-ayup.
: Good. Continue.





: Was there someone in the boat?
: It was pretty far out there... I oculdn't see clearly...
: But I figure there was two men out there, ayup.
: But you couldn't see them clearly!
: Ayup... at the time, that is.
: (At the time...?)





: So you heard two gunshots total?
: Ayup.
: (That's what Lotta said in her testimony yesterday.)





: "By your window"?
: Ayup, by my window. Right outside the window of my little shack.
: And, could you see the man's face?
: Well, the fog was pretty darn thick, but he was right there in front of me. I saw him.
: This is a rather important detail! Please add it to your testimony.



: Tsk, tsk, tsk...
: (I have a bad feeling about this...)





: A-are you sure!?



: (Uh oh!)



: D-Dad!



: Dead certain, Keith! He said "I can't believe he's dead" as he was walking by, too.







: Witness! Are you sure that the person you saw was Miles Edgeworth!?





: This... sounds like decisive evidence indeed. I see no room for doubt.
: (von Karma... He lured me into cross-examining so he could set me up for a fall!)
: Tsk, tsk, tsk...
: N-Nick...! I don't like the way things are going here! Everyone in the courtroom is glaring at us!





: (But... how can I raise an objection without any proof?)



: Judge! There is no room for doubt in the witness's testimony!
: I demand that you declare your verdict!

Or...







: Your Honor! We proved in yesterday's court that it could not have been Edgeworth who fired that gun!



: Mr. Wright. Are you referring to the fingerprints from Edgeworth's right hand found on the gun, and the photograph showing a man firing with his left hand...?
: Exactly!



: That is easily explainable! He could have wiped his prints after he fired!



: You are ignoring the truth of the matter here! Everything in this witness's testimony is true!

Convergence.

: Hmm...





: (I can't see any room to raise an objection... I'd better hold back and see how things develop.)
: Nick! We have to do something! If we stay quiet now, Mr. Edgeworth'll be found guilty for sure!

Or...





: Your Honor! This witness claims that Edgeworth said "I can't believe he's dead"...
: But his word is all we have!



: If he were telling a lie...



: Mr. Wright. In a court of law, the evidence tells all. Apparently, you have yet to realize even this basic fact.
: If you say his testimony is a lie, show us proof!
: Urk...
: Nick! Do we have evidence...?

Convergence.

: It's no good! There's nothing I can do.
: A... are you sure?
: To be honest... I don't know what to do anymore.
: Please... Can you hear me, Sis? Please... We need your help... Nick needs you...
: Tsk, tsk, tsk... Three minutes was perhaps too high an expectation.
: However, fifteen minutes isn't bad! This must be a new record.



: Enough! The witness may leave the stand.



: This court sees no reason to further prolong the trial. Nor is there any need for more time to decide the case against the defendant.
: This case is extremely clear. I see no room for misinterpretation of the facts.
: (W-what!? No!)
: Hmph.
: This court finds the defendant, Mr. Miles Edgeworth...



: The accused will surrender to the court immediately, to be held pending trial at a higher court within a month from today's date.
: That is all. The court is adjourned!







: Me!!!
: Huh?





Next time: Wait, what?

"The Laws of the Hittites, Section 170 (circa 1650-1500 BCE) (translated) posted:

If anyone steals a door as a result of a quarrel, he shall replace everything that may get lost in the house, and he shall pay one mina of silver.

Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Aug 18, 2016

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

"This man's memory is completely destroyed! He's perfectly admissible as a witness!"

Von Karma, you dick. :allears:

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an



God it feels so good to see this again.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I have a feeling something's gonna smell in a bit.

MegaZeroX
Dec 11, 2013

"I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"



I never understood why "I can't believe he's dead" is supposed to be evidence of clear guilt. Even if he is innocent and only saw it happen as the defense says, he would still say the same thing, right? He could have been going to find a phone and call the police. Is this a weird translation error or something?

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

It's Von Karma being a gently caress and expecting the court to go along with it.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Waffleman_ posted:

I have a feeling something's gonna smell in a bit.

Hopefully it will not just be Larry. Gotta get a Von Karma smoulder on so he can mess up properly.

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

Can't wait for Larry to throw a wrench in Von Karma's plans. If there's one thing you can count on, it's Larry Butz messing something up for a good cause.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

MegaZeroX posted:

I never understood why "I can't believe he's dead" is supposed to be evidence of clear guilt. Even if he is innocent and only saw it happen as the defense says, he would still say the same thing, right? He could have been going to find a phone and call the police. Is this a weird translation error or something?

If everything else in the testimony stands, it's very incriminating. Why the rest of the testimony should stand is an open question though.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

*Shoots a guy at point blank range*

I can't believe he's dead...

Shady Amish Terror
Oct 11, 2007
I'm not Amish by choice. 8(
Crimes of passion and all that. It is still more than a little suspicious.




Also, haha, even the Judge seems to be getting tired of von Karma's sass finally.

Rosalie_A
Oct 30, 2011

MegaZeroX posted:

I never understood why "I can't believe he's dead" is supposed to be evidence of clear guilt. Even if he is innocent and only saw it happen as the defense says, he would still say the same thing, right? He could have been going to find a phone and call the police. Is this a weird translation error or something?

You seem to be under the impression that fairness or logic enter into these proceedings.

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

What is known or suspected, absent evidence or testimony to the contrary:

1. The defendant and the victim were on a boat on the lake by themselves.
2. Two shots were heard.
3. The defendant's finger prints were found on the gun.
4. The witness heard the defendant walk by, muttering about a death.
5. The victim's corpse washed up the next morning.

It's hardly decisive, but a fact-finder who finds Edgeworth guilty at this point isn't being unreasonable.

Aerdan
Apr 14, 2012

Not Dennis NEDry

kw0134 posted:

4. The witness heard someone the prosecution asserts to have been the defendant walk by, muttering about a death.

ftfy

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Yes but the caveat is that unless the defense rebuts that assertion, this is the set of facts (add scare quotes if so inclined) we have to deal with.

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

Waffleman_ posted:

I have a feeling something's gonna smell in a bit.

I have no idea what, though... Larry wasn't there for the time of the murder and is only related to the case by being in the same area, and his contribution of the "lake monster" rumor has already come into play. So what exactly can he do here? I suppose I have to wait and be surprised.

And when the heck is the fact the gun was fired three times going to come up, anyway? I thought that was the evidence that was going to disprove the old man's testimony, but it hasn't come up again...

ManicVolcanic
Jun 5, 2016
I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on the gun-fired-three-times thing. It's a massive inconsistency with everything we know so far, so it *has* to be important, right?

Referee
Aug 25, 2004

"Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday."
(Wilma Rudolph)


This is either a typo or I need to re-play this case again :v:

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Oct 25, 2007

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IllegallySober posted:

This is either a typo or I need to re-play this case again :v:

Not a typo. Phoenix does call him that in an effort to get his attention.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Yeah, remember Uncle thought Pheonix and Maya were his kids.

ManicVolcanic
Jun 5, 2016

Mors Rattus posted:

Not a typo. Phoenix does call him that in an effort to get his attention.

My understanding is that it's because the old guy keeps calling him "Keith"

whitehelm
Apr 20, 2008

ManicVolcanic posted:

I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on the gun-fired-three-times thing. It's a massive inconsistency with everything we know so far, so it *has* to be important, right?

The gun could've been fired in an unrelated incident days ago and hadn't been fully reloaded. We know it has to be important because this is a game and it was mentioned, but it's not really evidence of anything yet.

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Mors Rattus posted:

: Er... very well, no opening statemnts so...

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Case 4 - Turnabout Goodbyes
Trial (Day 3) - Part 2





: Wh-what are you doing here!?
: Listen! Y-you gotta listen to me!
: I... I was...
: I was there, in the park, the night of the murder!



: B-but today I remembered it!
: Remembered what?
: The gunshot! I heard it too!





: O-order!





: What is the meaning of this!? The verdict has been decided! I call for adjournment!
: One moment, Mr. von Karma.
: So, you say you heard a gunshot?
: Yeah, I did! A gunshot! That night!
: I was sitting here in the audience, listening to the testimony... Then I realized, something he said was different from what I remember!
: A-anyhow, I can't just sit here and let you call Edgey a murderer!
: It's... It's just not right! I'll testify! Lemme testify!





: Order! Order! Well, this is the first time something has happened like this in my court.
: I'm not quite sure how to proceed...
: Judge! You've already given your decision!



: The trial is over!
: Nick! This is it! Larry's given us one final chance at this!
: (She's right! If only it wasn't Larry... He could make things even worse...)
: Mr. Edgeworth was just declared guilty, Nick!
: It doesn't get any worse!
: You're right! Okay!



: Your Honor! If there is another witness, it is our duty to hear him speak!
: Right here! Right now!
: A waste of time!
: The verdict cannot be overturned!
: Hmm... ... ...



: Allow me to speak my opinion. In all court proceedings, it is our duty to prevent an inaccurate verdict. In order to make sure no mistake has been made, every witness should be heard!
: Wh-what is this!?



: I withdraw my previous verdict of "guilty"!





: Mr. von Karma! I order you to call this new witness to testify.
: Now!
: Whaaaat!



: The court will adjourn for a five minute recess.





: Court is adjourned!





: Whew... That was too close.



: Hmph.
: I've seen worse.
: (Yeah right, Edgeworth. You're sweating bullets.) I just wonder what Larry plans to say in there.
: Larry was at the lake that night?
: Yes...



: Oh right. And he found the balloon and the air tank that night?
: Yeah.
: ...
: Hey, Edgeworth.
: ...
: Huh? You say something, Wright?
: Yeah, a lot of things. You seem out of it. What's wrong?
: It... It's nothing.
: Hmm?
: Umm... Mr. Edgeworth? There's something I've been meaning to ask you.
: What's that?
: Why are your fingerprints on the murder weapon?
: Oh.



: I couldn't understand what had happened. I couldn't think straight. Then I saw the pistol lying on the floor of the boat in front of me.





: I see...
: Wright...
: Yeah?
: This might be our chance.
: Our chance?
: von Karma has only ever run perfect trials.
: Perfect trials...?
: Perfectly prepared witnesses, perfectly complete evidence. That's the secret to his success.
: This is the first time he's ever had to deal with something unexpected! He has let someone he hasn't even talked to testify before the court! And that someone... is Larry!
: What are you getting at?
: It's likely his testimony will be full of holes, Wright.
: That's right, Nick!
: No ten minute trial this time! We'll milk this one for all it's worth!
: Hey, it was fifteen minutes! Fifteen! (Everything depends on Larry now...)









: Court is now back in session.
: Witness... Please testify to the court about everything that you saw... on the night of December 24th.
: Right... leave it to me!
: (Please, Larry, don't mess this one up!!! I hate to admit it, but you're our last chance!)
: ...
: (von Karma didn't even have time to prep his witness. I just hope Edgeworth is right about this being our big break...)

















: Hmm...
: That was an unusually vague testimony, even for this court.
: In any case, Mr. Wright, you may begin your cross-examination.
: Yes, Your Honor...
: What's wrong, Nick?
: It's Larry! I have no idea what he's going to say if I press him. I'm a little scared.
: Hmm...
: Well, we've come this far. There's no way to go but forward, Nick!







: ...
: Something wrong, Mr. Wright?
: There were so many things wrong I don't know where to begin...
: Ah...
: Um, well, okay. First of all, what time was it?
: Oh, it was after 11:00 when I went out in the boat.
: By that time everyone had gone home for the night. So I waited until the coast was clear, so to speak.
: And why were you out on a boat at such a late hour...?





: "Looking for something"...?
: Er, yeah.
: Mr. Butz, what was it you were looking for?



: What the witness was searching for is irrelevant! Most likely he was hunting for this "Gourdy"!
: (You know, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if that was the truth.)
: This is all irrelevant! Let's get it over with.





: Around what time was that?
: Uh... Well, let's see... I figure I was out searching for about an hour...
: I guess it was around 12:00. Yeah.
: You're not sure?
: Hey! Don't give me that face! I'm not some sort of human sundial, okay!?
: (People use watches these days, Larry...)





: Where did the sound come from?
: Yeah, well, I wasn't too sure about that. I looked around, y'know.
: Did you look at the lake?
: Yeah, I looked.







: Wasn't there a boat on the lake!?





: Order! Order!
: Well? Mr. Butz!
: Whoa, whoa. Everybody just calm down, okay?
: I mean, it was real foggy that night.
: I'm not sure whether there was a boat out there or not.
: (Oh, okay, no problem. That's just the MOST IMPORTANT PART of this case!!!)
: Hmph!





: So you only heard one "bang" correct?

Not my typo there.

: Yeah.
: (Huh.)

And we loop.

: Well, Nick?
: Hmm... It was a pretty wishy-washy testimony, wasn't it? I guess I should just start working on the contradictions.
: Sorry... I wish I could be more helpful. I wish I could call my sister...

Can you spot the problem?














: W-wait a sec, Larry!
: Wh-what!?
: You only heard one "bang"!? You're sure!?
: That's what I said!







: They both heard two gunshots that night!
: Huh?



: Were you even listening!?
: Were you paying attention at all to what they said?
: Yo, Nick, please!
: Huh?
: You know, something's been bothering me.
: I'm a witness, see? I'm like a customer here!
: So you got to treat me nice and stuff, okay!?
: ...
: Mr. Butz.
: What!?
: You only heard one gunshot? Are you sure?
: ... Umm...
: Well, to tell ya the truth... I'm not sure.
: Eh...?
: Not sure!? H-how could you not be sure?
: Yeah, well... I, uh, I might have missed the other gunshot.
: I was, uh, listening to something else...
: Something... else?
: My radio, dude! On my headphones.







: Order! Order! And stop that booing!
: M-Mr. Butz! You were listening to a radio on earphones?
: Y-yeah! So what! That a crime!?
: I listen to my radio! Everybody listens to the radio! What's the big deal!?
: Hmm...
: Mr. von Karma... your opinion?
: Waste of time. I do not accept this witness, nor his shoddy testimony.



: Hmm...





: (No, I think I've heard enough. This is all too embarrassing... In fact, I think we've all heard enough.)
: What are you saying, Nick!?
: If you stop now, Mr. Edgeworth will be found guilty!
: We have to turn this trial around now!
: Uh...

And we pick up where the right answer starts.



: Your Honor. Please... please allow the witness to continue his testimony.
: Bah!
: Nothing is more pitiful than a lawyer who doesn't know when he's lost!
: Very well, Mr. Butz. Please give your testimony, and be sure to include details like your RADIO.
: Right! Leave it to me!
: (I wouldn't if there were any other way out of this, believe me.)















: You were listening to your radio... at a high volume!?
: Yeah, what's the big problem? Can't a man listen to his radio in peace? Isn't this a free country!?
: (I truly believe Larry has no idea what the problem here is.)
: Judge. Can you believe a word this witness says?
: What he heard was probably nothing more than a drum beat from the radio!
: True enough, it is difficult to believe this testimony.





: Wait, Your Honor! The witness said he remembers exactly what the DJ said when he heard the gunshot!
: Excuse me? "Dee-jay"...?
: An announcer... the guy who says things on the radio.
: Anyway! What this means is, when he heard the sound, no music was playing!
: The DJ only talks between songs! So he could have heard the gunshot from the lake! I'd like to cross-examine the witness, Your Honor!
: V-very well, Mr. Wright.
: (I can't believe I'm continuing this charade...)

Next time: Continuing this charade.

The Laws of the Hittites (translated), Subsections 187, 188, 199 and 200a posted:

If a man have intercourse with a cow, it is a capital crime, he shall die.
[...]
If a man have intercourse with a sheep, it is a capital crime, he shall die.
[...]
If anyone have intercourse with a pig or a dog, he shall die.
[...]
If a man have intercourse with a horse or a mule, there is no punishment. But he shall not approach the king, and shall not become a priest.
[...]
If any man have intercourse with a foreign woman and pick up this one, now that one, there is no punishment.

Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Aug 20, 2016

Stephen9001
Oct 28, 2013
So... loving a cow is punishable by death, but loving a horse simply disqualifies you from being near the king and joining the priesthood? Huh.

I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Mors Rattus posted:


: Order! Order! Well, this is the first time somethinbg has happened like this in my court.

: Well, we've come this for.

Elric
Mar 31, 2011


How is Larry less reliable than the old man who literally has mental problems?

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Stephen9001 posted:

So... loving a cow is punishable by death, but loving a horse simply disqualifies you from being near the king and joining the priesthood? Huh.

Well, you see, horses are made to be ridden. :agesilaus:

Elric posted:

How is Larry less reliable than the old man who literally has mental problems?

Because he's on Phoenix's side.

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Elric posted:

How is Larry less reliable than the old man who literally has mental problems?

Are you saying The Butz doesn't have mental problems?

See also: If something stinks, it's probably The Butz!

ultrabindu
Jan 28, 2009
So why has the judge decided now that he's not going to dance to von Karma's tune any more?

LordNagash
Dec 29, 2012

ultrabindu posted:

So why has the judge decided now that he's not going to dance to von Karma's tune any more?

Because as the game says, he may be easily intimidated and rather dim, but he always makes the right decision in the end.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Elric posted:

How is Larry less reliable than the old man who literally has mental problems?

Because Larry is the single worst character in the series.

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Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

SirSamVimes posted:

Because Larry is the single worst character in the series.

All of the candidates for worst character in the series don't pop up til the second game.

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