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Jabor posted:So why does she have burgers on her hat anyway? Those are jelly donuts. Haven't you ever seen Pokémon?
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Jabor posted:So why does she have burgers on her hat anyway? Oh, come on. Those are clearly jelly donuts. EDIT: ...and someone beat me to the obvious joke. Also, a couple typos: quote:This area is offl imits to anyone without clearance. quote:Or is there some kind of scientific evidence of htis, um, "evil"?
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DariusLikewise posted:I hate the guy in the cowboy hat. His western shtick is annoying. Not liking the best character in the case? They shoot you for that in Texas.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:03
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Detective Revolver Ocelot is actually third best character in the case.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:08
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Yeah, we've yet to both see the best character and hear the best character theme, which unsurprisingly go together.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:39
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Funky Valentine posted:Detective Revolver Ocelot is actually third best character in the case. And that's not an insult in the slightest.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:40
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What I want to know is: Who trims their stubble with a switchblade? More importantly: if you're a detective then isn't doing that just adding more evidence to the crime scene, thus tampering with it? Only in Japanifornia, I guess.
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HenryEx posted:Yeah, we've yet to both see the best character and hear the best character theme, which unsurprisingly go together. 
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KataraniSword posted:What I want to know is: Who trims their stubble with a switchblade? Actually, that's a step-switchblade.
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Yeah I'm another one who really doesn't see the appeal of Marshall. Maybe I just didn't watch enough westerns as a kid or something. Or my opinions are just broken because I'm not a huge fan of this case in general. 
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To be fair I don't see much of the appeal with Ema either for that part so Marshall being a bit too much evens things out somewhat.
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AlphaKretin posted:Yeah I'm another one who really doesn't see the appeal of Marshall. Maybe I just didn't watch enough westerns as a kid or something. Or my opinions are just broken because I'm not a huge fan of this case in general. For me it's not that he's dressed up like a cowboy and has a sick tune. It's the fact that he desperately wants to be a cowboy and has a sick tune.
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I kind of envision the Marshall sounding like the "cowboy" character in David Lynch's Mulholland Dr.
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KataraniSword posted:What I want to know is: Who trims their stubble with a switchblade? That's not a switchblade, it's definitely fixed-blade. Maybe a badly drawn Bowie knife. Honestly, for real: Who the gently caress shaves with a switchblade?
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Dr. Buttass posted:Honestly, for real: Who the gently caress shaves with a switchblade? I dunno, a character known as switchblade maybe? I'm pretty sure there's more than one character known as switchblade too. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Dr. Buttass posted:Honestly, for real: Who the gently caress shaves with a switchblade? Someone who wants to look like a badass. There are/were people who shave with axes, too.
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I just started playing through AA1 again over the past week, ignorant of the existence of this thread, only to find myself on the same case! I'm actually just starting the first part of the trial now, but that's an incredible coincidence. I never played past AA2's second turnabout, but maybe I will this time. The cowboy is definitely not my favorite character in this turnabout, but he's not terrible. The cowboy stereotype does get old fast. 1-5 is a nice addition, and makes use of the DS controls to enhance the types of puzzles in the game. While I enjoyed 1-5, I liked 1-4 much more. I love the format of this LP, thanks for making it, and I hope you break the curse!
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This here is why I'm not as fond of this case as I might be, or certain other cases later in the series: Overwrought gimmick characters. Like, in the first game the characters were definitely very specific types of character, but they were recognizable, more like real people exaggerated than anything else. Even some of the more obnoxious examples (Redd, April, Sal...) were pretty much just exaggerated stereotypes. And now here we have two characters in quick succession who appear to be almost all gimmick, come at you with it like a haymaker, and there doesn't even seem to be that much point to the gimmicks. Marshall's gimmick doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything beyond "we really wanted to draw a cowboy", and I would enjoy Angel about 500% more if she could go five consecutive sentences without shoving in some kind of food reference, and/or shoving a lunchbox in someone's face. It grates. Not to say that I don't like the case, though. I do. Quite a bit. These early parts when the character gimmicks come hard and fast just set my teeth on edge.
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^ Pretty much sums up my sentiments on these characters so far. So far I hate everyone who set such high expectations for this case. Oldbag and Hart might have pushed their stereotypes a bit, but they have nothing on how annoying Marshall is. Angel only gets a pass because of the sheer "LOL JAPANIFORNIA" of her shtick, but I don't feel like it's going to be charming for much longer. However, she does seem like the most likely candidate for the primary obstacle in the first trial phase. I'm holding out for the trial phases to redeem this case, because so far Budget Mia and Maya are the only two that don't grate my nerves with every other sentence. The saving grace for this case would be if it continues ramping up the intensity as each one has so far. Even 1-4 took an update or two to really get into the rhythm of things, but then von Karma immediately turned up the pressure. Yeah, Lana's summary is damning as hell, but every defendant so far has actively torpedoed their defense by being too much of a dumbass or too secretive to tell Phoenix what actually went down. Of course Lana didn't do this, but she was probably involved in some shady poo poo that she's trying to hide by going down for this, which Phoenix will accidentally expose and figure out anyway as the "AHA" moment. I mean, really, she's von Karma's boss, and each case so far has borrowed or referenced an aspect of the previous one. Alternatively, she's either trying to protect her rear end in a top hat subordinate, or they're blackmailing her over aforementioned shady poo poo. [Speculation] Naturally, that kind of logic is only around 1-3 level of crazy, and this case's shenanigans will probably go at least five layers deeper. I'm going into the rest of this franchise knowing absolutely nothing specific, but I've heard that each case goes off the rails progressively faster. SHOULD HAVE GONE AFTER THE loving  , LANA, THIS IS KARMA COMING FOR YOUR rear end... On another note, is Edgeworth the prosecutor we're up against here? I'd think that von Karma is in a prison or grave, but Edgeworth's status is up in the air, and this case seems to be substituting our typical secondary cast for Bizarro versions. If Edgeworth is on vacation or something, then Budget Bizarro Edgeworth will obviously be von Karma's other student avenging his master's downfall or whatever, because let's go full ANIME. It's actually a pity that Lana is the client instead of prosecutor: it would be interesting to see Phoenix have to go up against someone who knows the same tricks that he does, particularly if it's a woman acting as Mia's foil. Holy poo poo that trial would go off the rails so fast. Maya comes back from the mountains or whatever and channels Mia and I think I need to write this fanfiction now BravestOfTheLamps posted:Eat your hamburgers, Phoenix. Jabor posted:So why does she have burgers on her hat anyway? Or maybe I'm delirious from exhaustion and shouldn't be trying to process Phoenix Wright at 6 AM.
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Malah posted:It really does seem like this would have been a simple thing to fix in localization, but perhaps the American localization team started running with the gag by the time this case was chronologically released? I feel like it was approximately dated earlier in the thread, but just by eyeballing the differences in tech and narrative, I'd guess it's at least two games ahead of the rest of AA1. The original was, what, GBA? Or the square one? This case is definitely more rooted in 3DS dual-screens. The original PW:AA was released 2001 for the GBA, with sequels in 2002 and 2004. They were then ported to the DS 2006-7ish, which was when Rise from the Ashes was written; PW:AA and Rise from the Ashes would've been localised around that time.
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Malah posted:^ Pretty much sums up my sentiments on these characters so far.
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Rise from the Ashes was the first specific DS case. It does use some features the GBA couldn't pull off at all. We've seen it in the intro of the case with the animation. The other games in the GBA trilogy that were localized to English didn't get any specific new content, besides the dual screen functionality.
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IAmTheRad posted:Rise from the Ashes was the first specific DS case. It does use some features the GBA couldn't pull off at all. We've seen it in the intro of the case with the animation. At the same time, it comes across as gimmicky, unfitting LOOK AT THE NEW TECH WHEEEEEE in the same way that 3D movies just randomly chuck objects toward the screen for OOH LOOK AT THE SHINY.
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Eh, I'd say it's nowhere near as obnoxious as a certain piece of evidence from the third case of the fourth game when it comes to the "look at what we can do with this new tech!" factor.
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Investigation (Day 1) - Part 3    : This is the kind of room that just screams "I can do the job." : Quite a change from your office, really. : Thanks. : (A trophy? What, that shield?): It takes real nerve to display stuff like this.: Whoever's office this is, he must be a real stuck-up jerk! : Mr. Phoenix Wright... You never tire of prying into other people's business, do you?: (That voice...!)   : Huh? : Aaaaaaaaaaaaah!: M-M-Mr. Edgeworth!: ...! You know him from somewhere?: O-of course! I'm his: biggest fan! : My sister introduced us once, and...: (Right... her sister was the Chief Prosecutor, after all.) : Well? What brings you here? : I'll warn you... I've been known to be a real stuck-up jerk...: N-no! Did I...? No! It was just, Mr. Wright here, he...: Hey! Don't blame me!: W-we're just here to investigate a murder case!: Murder...?: A body was found in this nasty, bright red sports car in the parking lot...: Hmm? : Whaaaaaaaaaaaa!?: Y-y-y-your car!?: (I'll say one thing, she certainly can scream.)And now, we get the chance to poke all around Edgeworth's office.  : Wow! This jacket is even lacier than his usual ones!: This must be his lucky trial jacket!: Lucky jacket, right... I've never seen him wear it.: I'm sure there's a story behind why it's in a frame! : Maybe I'll be naughty...: and take a picture!: (She's getting way too excited about this.)  : It has a big "K" on it. : *mumbles* of Prosecutors...: Huh? What's that?: It's the "King of Prosecutors" trophy.: K-K-K...: "King of Prosecutors"!?: It's a great honor. They send that shield to the best prosecutor each year. : What! So?: So that "K"... that's...: "K" stands for "King"?: Yeah, you got a problem with that?: I didn't design the thing!: "King of Prosecutors"...: Kind of like "Employee of the Month," only better! Nothing to talk about on the object itself, however.  : Mr. Edgeworth has such a comfy sofa!: Sofas like this make me want to curl up and take a nap.: I bet he pours over his case files here until the wee hours of the morning... Then he takes off his jacket, rolls up his sleeves...: And goes to sleep using his arms as a pillow!: (I don't believe it. She's actually daydreaming about Edgeworth working...): I bet in the morning he has sofa hair, and little creases in his cheek from the seams!: He's so cool!: Sofa-hair is cool!? : A work desk. It's quite tidy, as one might expect.: What a nice desk! Easy to use, and easy on the eyes!: It's polished so well I can see my own reflection. : (Strange... Why did I just picture Detective Gumshoe?): Maybe I'll take that name plaque as a souvenir.: Don't. He'll sue you. : My, my, my! What an amazing bouquet! Just right for Mr. Edgeworth.: No kidding. Hey, there's a card on it... "Back from the Dead -- Wendy" ("Wendy?" ... I've heard that name somewhere before.): And beside it...: A giant Steel Samurai!: Wow, I want one!: Huh? There's something written on the bottom of his foot. "Between a rock and a hard place -- Wendy" : Wendy? Is she Mr. Edgeworth's fiancee? : Um... I don't think so. : Whoa!: What a view! It must be nice to have an office on the 12th floor.: I guess you would feel... important.: Incidentally...: Were you to jump out this window, the time until impact with the ground would be... : ...: Got it!: Approximately 3.23 seconds!: (That's handy to know...) : Oooh! Cute! What a pretty tea set!: I go more for the instant tea bags myself.: Amazing! The drawer below is filled with packets of tea leaves!: They're all sorted by place of origin and flavor!: Look at this Royal blend! What an exquisitely splended concoction!: (There's such a thing as taking a hobby too far...) : Whoa! These are all case files!?: They're stacked up to the ceiling! There's even a ladder...: Odd... I thought Edgeworth wasn't good with heights.: He must have someone get them for him.: (Strange... Why did I just picture Detective Gumshoe?): He must study these case reports so closely...: He's so cool!: You wouldn't say that if you saw him sweating bullets up on that ladder. : Hey, a chessboard!: I'm not too up on my chess but it looks like Blue's in a bit of a tight spot.: The Red Knights have surrounded the Blue Pawn...: Huh?: Those horses are mounted knights. Their swords have really sharp "edges!" And check out that poor pawn, his head is kind of spiky... Kind of reminds me of you.: Mr. Edgeworth must be an avid chess player!: What's wrong, Mr. Wright?: (Edges... surrounding a pawn with spiky hair... Nah... It's nothing.)Now, to question Edgeworth.  : So, the body was found in your car?: Go ahead, say it, Wright. You think I did it, don't you? : After you went through all that trouble to help me last year, no less. : N-no, we don't think you did it! : Uh, wait, no, she didn't do that! I mean...: Wait...: So you're the Chief Prosecutor's little sister, then?: Y-yes, sir! Ema Skye!: It, uh...: It's nice to meet you again!: (Now that didn't sound forced at all...): Ah, now I remember. You've... really grown.: I'll admit, it was a surprise to me, too.: To think that my own car would become the scene of a murder.: More surprising still... Now I'm forced to prove my superior's guilt.: I can understand... W-wait!... What did you say!?: Lana Skye is the Chief Prosecutor... the top prosecutor in the district.: She can't prosecute herself, so I'll be the prosecutor at the trial tomorrow.: You!?: Mr. Edgeworth... : To be honest...: It's a bit of a miracle I'm still here at all.: What do you mean?: Rumors. You've heard the rumors about me, haven't you?      : Wh-what? That's crazy!: Hmph. Some people need very little excuse to think ill of others.: It's a fact of life. Impossible to stop.  : They think it's funny.: (Toys? That bronze shield? There's got to be a story behind htat one...)  : It was my first big case.: That's right, I remember.: (Two years ago... I wasn't even a lawyer yet.): Since then, I always felt that she was looking out for me...: It appears I was mistaken.: M-mistaken!? Why?: I mean, I know she's not the warmest person...: But I'm sure she felt some responsibility for you!: Then... why?: Why did she stab someone in the trunk of my car? : Wha... Whaaaaaat!?: Mr. Edgeworth! Your knife was the murder weapon!?: To be specific, it was the knife kept in the toolbox in the trunk of my car. : Um... Edgeworth?: What?: Are you sure you didn't do it?: ...: (C'mon, can't he take a joke?): You have a strange sense of humor, Mr. Wright!Examining the knife...  : Either that, or Edgeworth cut himself peeling an apple. What's Edgeworth doing with a knife like this anyway?: Hey! Maybe he spends his weekends roughing it in the wild!: Edgeworth? In the wild? I think my fruit-peeling theory is more likely.: Are you kidding? I always pictured him as an outdoorsman!: (Now there's a scary thought...)Presenting the badge...  : What? You wanted to be a defense attorney, Mr. Edgeworth?: Yet, my path is laid out clearly before me...: I have no time to reflect on what might have been.Presenting the trophy...   : I lost a day of work to receive that travesty.: Huh? Why's that?: I had to go to the Police Department ceremony to receive that broken shield.: The Police Department?: Yes. Right next to the Police Station downtown. You've been there, correct?  : What does it matter?: I've got more important things to worry about.: Oh. Right...: (He doesn't seem too concerned about his award, for better or for worse.): Yesterday was a very busy day for the Prosecutor's Office.: Maybe... we should ask him more about yesterday?Presenting the ID card...  : M-Mr. Wright!: Huh? What?: Are you sure you should be showing that to Mr. Edgeworth?: Oh. (He'll take it for sure, won't he.): *sigh* I wish I could be on the same side as Mr. Edgeworth...: But then my sister would be found guilty!: (If she sighs any deeper I'm going to start getting depressed...)And now we have a new topic.  : Could you tell me more about yesterday... the day of the murder?: Yesterday was the annual cleaning day at the Prosecutor's Office.: Cleaning day?: Working with the Police Department, we sort and file all evidence for solved cases. We call it "evidence transferal.": Wiping your hands of old cases, in other words.: Oh, and another thing...: A ceremony was held at the Police Department. There's an annual review and awards for outstanding police officers and prosecutors. : I was at the police department yesterday afternoon... I got back here at 5:12.: That's... very precise.: People like myself and Mr. Edgeworth pride ourselves on our precision, Mr. Wright.: No, I place little faith in my memory.  : This is the parking stub from the underground lot.: (The murder took place around 5:15...): So the murder happened right after you got back.: What, Wright? : Um...!  : I'm Edgeworth. What is it? : I'm here, sir, at the request of the Chief, sir! I've got your report, sir!: Report? What? Did you find new evidence in the case against Chief Prosecutor Skye!? : (I don't like the way this conversation is going at all...) : No name of that kind, sir! Not in this report, sir!: ...!: (I think I just heard Edgeworth's lid blow.): Mr. Edgeworth's lid isn't on very tight, is it?: I made a clear request to the Police Department, did I not? I need to focus on the trial tomorrow, so don't bring me anything unrelated! : Sir! But, but sir! : I wasn't aware of the particulars of your arrangement with us, sir!: Give me your name!: U-uh, yes... yes, Sir! M-M-Meekins, sir. Officer Meekins!: Right. Officer Meekins?: Take your report and leave. And good luck with that raise next month. : (Poor guy. Looks like he was absent on the day they gave out brains and good luck.): Wright.: Y-yes, sir!? (Gah! He caught me off guard!): As you can see, I'm busy.: You may leave now.: L-let's do what he says, Mr. Wright!: The victim was a detective from the same department as that patrolman just now. Go down to the Police Department.: You can ask more there.: U-uh... Thanks. (He seems to have finally calmed down at least.)Examining the parking stub...  : This is dated the day of the crime.: The murder took place three minutes after Edgeworth parked his car. 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Ha, I never examined the chessboard, that's a neat piece of localisation. In Japanese Edgeworth's surname is Mitsurugi. I'm not actually familiar with the Japanese version, but I can guess the joke about the flanked pawn involved the knights' swords - or tsurugi. And if there were three swords, mitsu tsurugi. That's some shoddy Japanese grammar and I doubt I'm entirely on point, but
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All the little details in Edgeworth's office are great. They really give a glimpse into his personality, and a couple of things he likes to keep hidden, like his sentimentality, and his love for the Steel Samurai show.
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Mors Rattus posted:
Another remnant from the last case. Poor guy.
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Also nice to see, looking again at this case for the first time since playing the sequels that his office also contains at least one reference to a case in a future game, but I'll refrain from saying anymore.
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Yeah, the later games have a tendency of leaving little Easter eggs and callbacks to the cases from earlier ones.
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This case being written after the rest of the trilogy was a great excuse to work in a ton of call-forwards. Of course, pointing any of them out now would be spoilers, but hey, good to know I guess.
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Man, the writing in this scene is so good. Really funny AND characterising the people very well.
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This case is great for so many reasons, not least of which is we have post-redemption Edgeworth as prosecutor. Guy just gives us the knife evidence, the parking stub, access to the crime scene, all this stuff without any question. The only thing he takes in return is the opportunity to sass Ema.
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Now that the cat's outta the bag in regards to the car, i can post this, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExLEmVQSGLM
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AlphaKretin posted:Ha, I never examined the chessboard, that's a neat piece of localisation. In Japanese Edgeworth's surname is Mitsurugi. I'm not actually familiar with the Japanese version, but I can guess the joke about the flanked pawn involved the knights' swords - or tsurugi. And if there were three swords, mitsu tsurugi. That's some shoddy Japanese grammar and I doubt I'm entirely on point, but Yeah, right idea but they don't go quite that far - they just take the tsurugi (sword) from Mitsurugi and ho (walking [soldier]) from Naruhodo
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