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Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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: Well, Mr. Wright. If you can show us evidence in this video that indicates





: (I might be walking right into Officer Marshall's trap.)
: (I'd better try and find out a little more information.)
: It seems we should be moving back to the testimony.



: Very well. Officer Marshall, can you please give your testimony again?

And that would loop us. Clearly the wrong answer.





: Very well.
: Allow me to point out your mistake, Officer Marshall!
: Tread carefully, Mr. Wright,
: or you might wind up being the one making the mistake.



: Now then, let's have another look at the video. Show us this incriminating evidence of the witness...
: Officer Jake Marshall!









: Bringing our attention back to the security camera...
: is a mistake I'm afraid you'll soon not forget, Officer Marshall.
: ...
: The days are short in Texas... and so are our tempers. Could you sum up what you have to say in eight words or less?



: Very well.





: You can clearly be seen in this video!
: Exactly eight words...
: Not bad, pardner.
: The key...
: lies in a certain locker shown in the video.



: Now then, let's rewind the video a bit.



: What's the meaning of this, Officer Marshall!?
: When the crime took place... The white cloth wasn't there.
: Then... it suddenly appeared! There's only one explanation:



: Officer Marshall! You were in the evidence room at the time of the crime!
: What's more, you opened your locker when the camera was turned away!





: Order! Order!
: It would seem that's the only-
: Hold your horses! Sorry, pardner...
: but you got the wrong man.
: ...
: So what if my locker was opened?
: That doesn't mean I'm the one who opened it!
: ...
: The murderer needed to hide something, so he opened a locker and stuck it in.
: It's not my fault he happened to choose mine!
: ...
: ...
: Why's everyone staring at me like I'm a wanted man?



: (He really doesn't know!)



: but you're the only person who can open that particular locker.
: Oh yeah? I call your bluff.









: We talked about this earlier today.



: W-what kinda crazy talk is this!?
: (Well, Detective Gumshoe did mention something about this...)



: There's even some people in the force that don't know about the fingerprint locks!



: So, sheriff!





: I only got one word for you, pardner.







: Order! Order! Order!
: Witness! Explain yourself!
: If this is a joke, it's the worst I've ever heard...
: I assure you this is no joke, Officer Marshall.
: Now then, please tell us what you were doing in the evidence room at the time of the crime?
: ...
: Olé! Please answer the question!
: (What is he now, a bullfighter?)
: That's alright, Officer Marshall.
: I believe we can figure othe rest out from here.
: We can?









: If that's so, then...
: where was the witness?
: It seems Mr. Wright has an answer.
: (That's right. The only possible conclusion!)



: Well then? Let's hear it.







: Officer Marshall was standing right here!
: There? But that's...





: Correct... unless the man wasn't Detective Goodman.



: I believe the "victim" in the video is... Officer Marshall!









: But that's preposterous! Officer Meekins witnessed the detective at the crime scene!
: Once he saw the man's face, he'd know for sure!



: May I point out though, that Officer Meekins did not know Detective Goodman.
: He also testified about the man's reaction when confronted.



: Yes? And how did Detective Goodman respond?
: He suddenly pulled a knife on me!



: If the man had his ID card, why didn't he just show it?
: Yes, he would have needed it to enter the evidence room, so he must have been carrying it.
: The answer is simple.
: He couldn't show it.
: !



: Oh, I get it.
: If he showed that, his cover would have been blown!
: Officer Meekins would have realized the man wasn't Detective Goodman.
: Do you have anything to say to this, Officer Marshall?
: ...



: You've got quite an imagination, pardner.
: We got a term for that. It's called "circumstantial evidence."
: Circumstantial evidence...? (He's still denying it!)
: You're gonna have to do better than that to break a detective.
: Unless you have hard evidence proving I dressed up as the victim...
: Hmm...
: I can't say I particularly care for your uncooperative disposition...
: I can't say I care for your beard, but you don't see me complainin'.
: Well, Mr. Wright? Do you have any evidence? Any evidence proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Officer Marshall dressed up as the victim?
: Well...
: (Who am I kidding? I don't have anything like that...)
: I can see the fear in your eyes, pardner.
: Seems you're the one who couldn't take the desert heat!
: Ack! (This can't be happening!)
: (It's so obvious he's the one! What can I do...?)
: ...



: Hmph.
: It looks like your lack of experience has finally been exposed.
: !
: I'll pass onto you what someone told me when I was just starting out. When you've run into a wall with no place to go, return to the basics.
: The basics... (For me, that would be what Mia used to tell me!)



: (I shouldn't look for proof that Officer Marshall was in disguise...)







: What do you mean?
: There's no reason for Officer Marshall to open his locker at the time of the crime.
: Yet he did, despite the chance it might be discovered later as it has been.
: (Which means he didn't originally plan to open his locker...!)
: According to the defense's argument,



: Then, after the crime was "committed,"



: The fact that a white "cloth" is sticking out of the locker seems to indicate that
: he opened it in order to put the cloth inside.
: So...
: just what exactly is this piece of cloth?
: Perhaps...



: (I don't have any evidence, so this video's my only shot!)
: ...



: Very well.
: Let's take yet another look at the security tape. After committing the crime, the witness opened the locker to put away the white cloth.
: Please show us why the witness had to open his locker!









: For some reason, you disguised yourself as Detective Goodman,
: and entered the evidence room. I don't know what that reason was... yet.
: "Yet"?
: However, something unexpected happened.



: When asked to show your ID card, you pulled a knife on him. However!



: and the white coat you were wearing was soiled with blood!
: A bloody white coat...
: You couldn't just walk out like that,
: so you hid the coat in your locker.
: ...
: Not bad, huh "pardner"?



: Now then, Officer Marshall.
: Are you ready to tell us the truth?
: Looks like I underestimated y'all.
: I hope you're happy now, Mr. Edgeworth.
: ...
: Two years ago... If you were only half as persistent then as you are today,
: we all wouldn't have to be here, now would we?



: Officer Marshall!
: Tell the court what you did... all of it.
: Alright.
: It seems the time has come.















: So the supposed "victim" was really you...
: But there's one thing I still don't understand. Large quantities of blood traces were found on the floor of the evidence room.
: If no one was murdered, then how could that be?
: Officer Meekins managed to cut his own hand.
: My guess is he's the donor.
: (It looked like too much blood for that...)

Next time: Cross-examination.

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resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

Mors Rattus posted:

: So, sheriff!





: I only got one word for you, pardner.



OK... OK, I think I love this dude now. There was his previous commitment to the bit, and then there's... whatever this is, and it's actually wonderful. :allears:

This new question seems a bit weird, though... Marshall claims that Meekins cut himself on the knife and that's where the bloods from, but the way the video shows it, Meekins didn't have time to do anything before he was allegedly cut... and it looks like there's blood already there.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
You can see the coat is clean pretty early into the video. If Meekins came up to him and saw blood on him, I think he'd have behaved a lot differently than just asking to see his ID Card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZT14XtWrOk

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Mors Rattus posted:

: We got a temr for that.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Mors Rattus posted:

: The days are short in Texas... and so are our tempers. Could you sume up what you have to say in eight words or less?

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Huh. Did Marshall believe in a serial murderer's innocence? Or maybe innocence in this particular case?

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: When you say "it," you mean...
: Do you even have to ask, pardner?
: (The SL-9 Incident...)
: Two years have passed since that case was closed.
: It was going to completely end with the transferal that day.
: Not if I have anything to do with it.
: That incident's not over!
: But what did you hope to accomplish by sneaking into the evidence room?
: When a case is closed, only the detective who was in charge of it can look through the evidence. I wanted to have a look at it myself one more time...
: no matter what the cost. I don't care what anyone says, pardner.
: That case is mine.
: (But Officer Marshall wasn't in charge of that investigation.)
: (Why does he care so much about it?)
: That day was my last chance. That's why I...





: Why did you disguise yourself as Detective Goodman?
: If I didn't make it look like Goodman was carrying out the evidence transferal... I'd be arrested for stealing evidence, which wouldn't get me anywhere.





: I stole that the morning of the incident.



: I returned his ID card. I left it on the floor in
: the Prosecutor's Office parking lot.
: (The ID card I found was left there)
: (by Officer Marshall!)
: So essentially...
: You managed to succeed despite your lack of foresight.
: What do you mean... pardner?
: I mean the fingerprint-activated lock, of course.
: No matter how well you disguise yourself, you can't change your fingerprints.
: Normally, that locker shouldn't have opened.









: You pulled a knife on Officer Meekins and tried to drive him off?
: Let's just say I was a little surprised. I only planned on being in the evidence room for no more than five minutes.
: I didn't think anyone would actually come in during that short time.



: Officer Meekins... certainly is a one-in-a-million type of person.
: Mistaking a detective for an intruder and demanding to be shown his ID...
: I'll have to think a little more about his raise this year...
: (When did Edgeworth get so much influence...?)
: Anyway, he threw himself at me, and I ended up cutting him slightly. I'm sorry it had to turn out that way...
: with me knocking him out and everything.
: By the way, what happened to your knife?
: Oh, you mean this one?
: ... (I don't know what to say...)
: Hmm...
: So, what happened next?





: So you did your research beforehand.
: Those who go into the desert unprepared don't live long, pardner. I didn't think it would make a difference though. The security tape is erased every
: six hours. If all had gone as planned, no footage would have been left.
: However...



: If someone was in the security room when I came out, the jig would have been up.
: I opened my locker and stashed it in there.
: What was Officer Meekins doing during that time?
: What else? He was sleeping like a baby.
: So what you're saying is, on that day...







: But the blood found at the scene certainly indicates a crime took place!
: What are you, blind?



: So, you stole the evidence from the locker?
: Actually...
: no, I didn't.
: Why not?
: When I opened the locker,
: the evidence was already gone.
: What!?
: Mr. Edgeworth. Where is that evidence?
: It's still missing, Your Honor.



: (Detective Goodman's locker was already empty...)
: (Someone else stole the evidence!)



: Officer Marshall. May I ask you one thing?
: Fire away, pardner. It's a free country. Just remember,
: I'm also free to decide whether or not to answer.
: Why did you do this?
: Stealing a detective's ID, injuring a police officer...
: This is no small offense!



: Moreover, you're an officer yourself.
: This will have serious consequences.
: It can't just be forgiven with a simple cut in salary.
: (Not that salary cuts are ever a valid solution...)
: ...
: Like I said. This isn't your case.
: This one is mine. And I'll do anything it takes to get an answer I'm satisfied with.
: Hmm...
: The witness has an unusual amount of zeal. Let's hear more.







: But that case was solved two years ago, wasn't it?



: That's the reason the evidence was stored in the evidence room.
: Joe Darke was convicted for those crimes.
: One thing I can say for sure, he deserved his sentence.
: I remember the Joe Darke case...
: It involved serial murders, didn't it?
: I don't intend to complain about how it turned out, but there's something that still bothers me. Something went down at that trial.
: Something no one will talk about.
: What happened?
: I don't know. That's what I'm trying to find out.
: ...
: (Why is he so concerned with that incident?)



Loop.

: (I had a feeling we'd wind up here sooner or later...)
: (Everyone involved here is related in some way to that case...)
: (I'd better take another look at the files.)

This one isn't hard.














: Officer Marshall. I think I understand.
: I think I know why you care so much about the SL-9 Incident.
: Sounds like you've been sipping too much cactus juice, pardner.
: I have the SL-9 Incident file here. The name
: "Marshall" is mentioned in here...
: !
: in a list of murder victims.
: "Neil Marshall"... Are you related to this man?
: Neil Marshall...?
: Yeah, I'm sure you've heard the name. Two years ago...





: What!? A prosecutor...?
: (He must be talking about)
: (the King of Prosecutors award.)
: Now I remember...
: Prosecutor Neil Marshall.
: He handled the SL-9 case before I did.
: That's right. He was killed...
: and the case fell into your hands.
: But what's his relation to you...?





: He was investigating the murders with Damon Gant, Chief Detective at the time.



: We were desperate to prosecute the killer.



: My brother fought Darke and was killed. That was the first time Darke left behind any evidence. That was all we needed. He was arraigned and incarcerated. The case was finally closed... at least, according to the public records.
: What do you mean?
: My brother couldn't have been killed by Joe Darke. I knew my brother better than anyone... No one could have beaten him in a fight.
: And that's it? That's your reason for your insane actions?
: There's more to my brother's death than what the records say.
: No matter how much you try to hide it, you can't fool me.
: ...



: Well...
: at least one thing's for certain.
: Now we know what happened at the Police Department on the day of the crime.
: That was the last day the SL-9 case could be reopened. Not satisfied with its resolution, Officer Marshall planned to steal the evidence.





: Yes, this mystery has finally been cleared up. No murder took place
: at the Police Department that day!
: !



: The things that happen by chance never cease to amaze...



: this fake murder was going on at the Police Department.
: (Chance...? It's got to be more than just that...)



: So if no one was murdered at the Police Department on the day of the crime,
: that means the murder in the Prosecutor's Office's parking lot was the real one.
: Which, in turn, means...
: only one person could have committed the crime:







: B-but wait! A verdict wasn't reached in yesterday's trial!





: Which is why we examined the incident at the Police Department today.
: But...!
: There's only one reason the defendant was not convicted yesterday:
: there yet remained the mystery of the simultaneous murder at the Police Department.
: It seems to me...
: this boy's got the draw on you, pardner.
: All the mysteries at the Police Department have been uncovered. No contradictions



: remain. The murder took place at the Prosecutor's Office! The only suspect is Lana Skye.



: If you have a response...
: make it one word or less.
: ...
: ARRRGHHHH!!!



: I rest my case.







: It seems this trial has reached its conclusion. There's no room for doubt.
: Well done, Mr. Wright.
: Thanks to you, I didn't need to waste my time...
: disproving the alleged "murder" at the Police Department.



: (The apparent murder on the security camera's tape really was fake! But I didn't realize...)





: Now then, the time for the verdict has arrived. This court finds the defendant...



: Y-your Honor! Wait!
: Ema!
: The defense has
: an objection.
: A scientific objection!
: Right?
: What do you mean, "right?"
: Mr. Wright.
: Are you this girl's guardian?
: Your Honor!
: Oh, uh, in a sense...
: Please, Your Honor. All I'm asking is for a minute of your time! Please hear me out!
: Mr. Edgeworth, please...
: ...
: I don't want to leave any loose ends.
: You want a minute? I'll give you three.



: I... I was kind of in shock. I mean, finding out the SL-9 incident referred to the Joe Darke Killings!
: (Now that she mentions it...)



: But that's when I figured it out.
: I mean, what Office Marshall was trying to do that day... So I knew his fingerprint had nothing to do with the crime.



: You mean the traces of blood found on Detective Gumshoe's locker...
: But no fingerprints were found on it, right?
: No, but I figured if I examined it scientifically... I'd be sure to find a clue! So
: I ran over there and looked at it again!
: !
: So did you find something?
: Um...
: No!
: Huh?
: Sorry. I guess I'm not much of a scientific investigator after all.
: ...
: ...
: Um...
: Is that all?
: Please don't be mad. I'm just a high school student!
: (And I'm just an attorney...)



: If we can't find something wrong with them...
: Please, Mr. Wright. You're a professional.
: If anyone can save Lana, it's you!







: Time's up.
: Now then, Mr. Wright. With regard to the incident at the Police Department...
: Does any reasonable doubt remain?
: Um...





: Is there a problem with this?
: Mr. Wright!
: I'm sorry I can't be of more use... But still! If you can't find anything wrong with that blood mark,
: Lana will be...
: Please answer my question, Mr. Wright. We don't have all day.
: Y-yes, Your Honor. (If ever I've needed to concentrate, it's now!)







: (I've got to be honest... I don't see anything wrong with it! Still...)



Which leaves us at the right choice.









: clearly
: shows a contradiction!



: The only thing that seems clear is you're grasping, Mr. Wright.
: You've been staring pretty intently at those floor plans.



: ...
: (Yes, this is strange...!) Take a good look at these floor plans.



: "Missing"...?
: You mean, something hasn't been drawn on there?



: Yes. Something that, when drawn,
: will completely change the meaning of the blood mark!





: Let us pray the defense isn't simply trying to buy time.
: Very well, Mr. Wright!
: (With all this evidence here...)
: (there's got to be something I can use!)



Next time: Salvation?

Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jan 21, 2017

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

All your "Judge_Shock"s are broken with the closing tag "[/mg]", and you've got an L instead of a colon for "Next Time:". :)

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Stephen9001
Oct 28, 2013
My gut tells me this is where we use the Blue Badger as evidence.

I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Joe Darke is literally Yoshikage Kira.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Mors Rattus posted:

: If you have a response...
: make it one word or less.
: ...
: ARRRGHHHH!!!
: I rest my case.

Edgeworth. :allears:

Mors Rattus posted:

: My brother couldn't have been killed by Joe Darke. I knew my brother better than anyone... No one oculd have beaten him in a fight.

: You've been staring prettyi ntently at those floor plans.

Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jan 21, 2017

mateo360
Mar 20, 2012

TOO MANY PEOPLE MERLOCK!
ONLY ONE DIJON!

Mors Rattus posted:

: If someone was in the security room when I came out, the jug would have been up.

Lechtansi
Mar 23, 2004

Item Get
One thing that seems to happen in all the Phoenix wright games is that phoenix will be thinking about something and another character will respond to him as if he said it out loud. I wonder if it's a translation error? At first I thought it was because his partner was a ghost (maya / Mia) but it happened in other games too.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Phoenix just has a REALLY bad poker face.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Nick is very easy to read.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

HenryEx posted:

Nick is very easy to read.

Alternately, maybe he's like Keiichi from Higurashi, and all of his internal narration is actually external without him realizing it.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Lechtansi posted:

One thing that seems to happen in all the Phoenix wright games is that phoenix will be thinking about something and another character will respond to him as if he said it out loud. I wonder if it's a translation error? At first I thought it was because his partner was a ghost (maya / Mia) but it happened in other games too.

This is intentional and actually lampshaded a number of times in the dialogue.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I never knew cowboyism was genetic.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

The Lone Badger posted:

I never knew cowboyism was genetic.

It kind of makes sense if you think about it. The most likely source of rabid fanboyism is childhood toys, games and movies, both of which would be shared by brothers

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Huh. It seems like that handprint's in the blind spot.

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Mors Rattus posted:

: So, what happened next?



Where's the start of that sentence?

...

PS - I still don't understand the logic that lead anyone to the "double murder" conclusion, even by PW "logic" standards.

Xander77 fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jan 22, 2017

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




I mean, the only thing I can think of was that they thought Meekins killed "Goodman" right after the bit of security tape we saw ended.

...Without being seen on-camera again after that. And then somehow managed to hide the body without using any of the lockers or having to use his card to open the door again.

CaptianKatsura
Feb 28, 2011

I'm not Katsura, I'm Captain Katsura!

I don't think anyone in the Police Department actually thought Bruce Goodman was murdered in the Evidence Room while simultaneously being murdered in the Prosecutor's Office. I'm pretty sure Gant just called it a "murder" because it's more interesting than saying "two officer's had an altercation in the Evidence Room." Even if Gant hadn't called it a murder, the case would have still gone the same way, since we'd still have a case of Goodman being in two different places at the same time. So the whole "double murder" thing was purely to make the case sound more exciting.

Gruckles
Mar 11, 2013

The weirdest part of the investigation was having Meekins be the one to deliver the report about it to Edgeworth.

Oblivion4568238
Oct 10, 2012

The Inquisition.
What a show.
The Inquisition.
Here. We. Go.
College Slice

Xander77 posted:

Where's the start of that sentence?

Right here:


The "and managed to escape[...]" is back to the testimony, which here was a continuation of the previous line of testimony. Usually the series is pretty good about tying a Press back into the next line of testimony, but they kind of dropped the ball here.

Tunahead
Mar 26, 2010


Man, that large, ominous potential murder weapon right in front of Lana's hand really draws the eye, doesn't it.

Almost enough to make me ignore the King of Iron Fist Tournament trophy and how dumb it is. Is that a shield? Is it broken? Why is it broken? What is that in front of it? Is that a knife? Why does it have a dumb tip when the tip is a really important part of the knife? Is the knife also broken? Is this trophy a metaphor for how Ace Attorney's dumb criminal justice system ruins everything?

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



CaptianKatsura posted:

I don't think anyone in the Police Department actually thought Bruce Goodman was murdered in the Evidence Room while simultaneously being murdered in the Prosecutor's Office.
While also being murdered in the Parking Lot. That man sure does get around.

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

Tunahead posted:

Almost enough to make me ignore the King of Iron Fist Tournament trophy and how dumb it is. Is that a shield? Is it broken? Why is it broken? What is that in front of it? Is that a knife? Why does it have a dumb tip when the tip is a really important part of the knife? Is the knife also broken? Is this trophy a metaphor for how Ace Attorney's dumb criminal justice system ruins everything?

Perhaps the broken shield is meant to symbolize the breaking of the flimsy shield of the defense by the bold spear of the prosecution's arguments? The triumph of logical argument over the lies of the evildoer?

I got nothing. All I know is that every right thinking person hates it for the self aggrandizing, tack bullshit it is and that's all I need.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

It's actually a sword and shield.

Rock Knight on the far right there won it in a Knight Contest.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
I'm not sure if this is actually a spoiler, because I'm not sure if the game explains it, but it's something that is fairly well known in East Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox#Origins

Fangz fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jan 23, 2017

Wipfmetz
Oct 12, 2007

Sitzen ein oder mehrere Wipfe in einer Lore, so kann man sie ueber den Rand der Lore hinausschauen sehen.

Fangz posted:

I'm not sure if this is actually a spoiler, because I'm not sure if the game explains it, but it's something that is fairly well known in East Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox#Origins

The greek counterpart is glorious. "gently caress that noise, you're stars now!"

Glaive17
Oct 11, 2012

What is there left to discover about donuts...?
Pillbug

Fangz posted:

I'm not sure if this is actually a spoiler, because I'm not sure if the game explains it, but it's something that is fairly well known in East Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox#Origins

I am 100% certain that it is explained in the game at some point.

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib
Yeah Edgeworth explains that to you if you examine it in his office.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes
Trial (Day 3) - Part 8







: What about that piece of plywood?
: The Blue Badger!
: Mascot of the police force!
: Defender of truth, guardian of proof!
: Explain yourself, Mr. Wright.



: So?
: So watch what happens when we put him in.





: Well...?
: Well... what?





: That's right. So long as the Blue Badger is dancing here...











: So that means...
: Uh... just exactly what does that mean!?
: It means it can't be done!
: What are you saying? Blood traces were undeniably found on that locker!
: Don't look at me, I didn't put it there!
: Mr. Wright! Think it through scientifically!
: Ema!
: On that afternoon...





: ...! So that must mean this blood mark... was left there before the Blue Badger was brought in...?
: Just one moment! I will not allow such farfetched balderdash in my courtroom!
: It may sound farfetched, Your Honor...
: but it's the only possible explanation! On February 21st... in the Police Department's evidence room...



: blood was spilled not once, but twice!

: B-but how...!
: One time was captured on this tape, taken by the security camera.



: The problem is... the "other" time.
: Someone bled prior to the struggle shown on this tape.



: It had to have been...









: That's ridiculous! I refute you!



: The murder portrayed in the security tape has been proven to be a fake.
: However!







: So then... assuming this "murder" you purport really happened.
: When did it take place!?
: I demand you show evidence that proves it occurred!
: (When did the first incident occur...)



: To surmise, the defense claims that...

I think you might mean summarize, Judge.



: Goodman, another "incident" took place in that evidence room.
: The blood mark on the locker proves this.
: Very well. Then tell us...
: When did this "first" incident occur?
: Proof must be presented.
: (Proof that shows when the murder took place...)
: (There's only one piece of evidence that can show that!)
: Now then. Will the defense please present its evidence?





: If the crime took place inside the evidence room, then the perpetrator would had to have



: An ID card...
: Oh!
: The ID Card Record!



: Let's see here... 4:50 PM. If the crime took place before that time, then it would be... 4:40 PM... Ah!
: AAAAAAAHHH! M-M-M-M-M-M-M-Miles Edgeworth!
: Just what have you done!?



: I never figured you had nerve, boy.
: Put off the act, witness.
: It doesn't take a lot of thought to figure out it couldn't have been me.
: Hmm...
: Nope, I ain't gettin' it...
: Hmm...
: I'm afraid I don't understand either.
: It's clear from the luminol test that blood was there. However, when the "second" crime took place...



: That means...
: the blood from the first crime was wiped away...
: by the real murderer.
: I would have had just ten minutes to murder the victim, carry his body away,



: That would mean...
: the crime must have taken place before Mr. Edgeworth entered the evidence room.
: Let's look at the chart again.
: There's only one other card number remaining: "7777777"!
: Talk about a lucky number...
: But wait...
: That doesn't make sense!
: How could Officer Goodman have entered the evidence room?
: Since there's no record of his card being used beforehand...
: he must have entered along with the real murderer.



: That's the only plausible explanation.
: He went in with "7777777"!





: Mr. Edgeworth!
: Please look into this ASAP!
: Find out whose ID number is "sevensevensevensevensevensevensevenseven"!
: That's one "seven" too many, Your Honor. Unfortunately...
: I'm unable to look up the owner of that ID card. At least, at present.
: What!?
: Explain yourself, son.
: The ID number "7777777" belongs to someone with a rank of Captain or higher... Someone who is a so-called "executive officer." We don't ahave the authority to inquire into such a person's identity.





: But that's ridiculous! Just how...
: I'm not finished talking, Mr. Wright.
: There is one situation in which we can be granted such authority.
: If an official charge filed against an executive is accepted.
: An "official charge"...
: You're all alike, aren't you? With your "cover-ups" and your "forgeries"...
: That's how the Prosecutor's Office operates!





: I take pride in my work, Officer Marshall.
: I would appreciate it if you would keep your slander to yourself.
: "Slander," is it? Okay.
: Let me ask a question.
: Yes?
: No, not to you. To her, the defendant sitting over there.
: Your own little "executive."
: (L-Lana?)



: Don't be stupid. She's been charged with murder.



: Don't play me for a fool, pardner.
: That's not what I want to ask. All I want to know is one thing... about the incident.
: The SL-9 Incident?
: Answer me this, Chief Prosecutor! In that trial two years ago...
: Did you really only use legitimate evidence!?



: Do you need the witness to repeat his question, Chief Prosecutor?
: I heard him fine, Mr. Edgeworth.
: Two years ago... I was in charge of the prosecution for that trial.
: At the time, we...
: Occasionally... we felt the powerlessness of the law.



: At least... I did.
: ...!
: L-Lana...
: I became a prosecutor in order to suppress crime with the law. But before I realized it,
: we were the ones being suppressed by the law.
: Defendant!
: Just what are you saying!?
: I'll ask you again, Chief Prosecutor. During that trial two years ago... did you really present all the evidence in court?
: Can you look me, an investigator in that crime, in the eye and say that you did?
: Chief Prosecutor! You didn't...
: ...
: I don't have to, Officer Marshall.
: !
: Why don't you answer him!?
: Drastic crimes require drastic measures...



: But Lana!
: Even if it involved "forging" evidence.



: See? That's what I'm talking about.









the chaos in the courtroom could not be quelled. The conclusion of the trial... would have to wait until the following day...



Next time: Well, poo poo.

Stephen9001
Oct 28, 2013
It would appear the Defendant's stand and the Witness stand have the same graphic. This makes it look like Lana and Marshall are somehow standing in the same location, and talking to each other. Has this happend before, or is this the first time a witness has talked to the defendant like this? (barring that time when Phoenix was the defendant.)

I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

It hasn't happened before, but it's not the last time it happens in the series. The witness stand is basically the go-to place for anyone who's not the defense, prosecution, or judge to deliver lines.

Stephen9001
Oct 28, 2013

Waffleman_ posted:

It hasn't happened before, but it's not the last time it happens in the series. The witness stand is basically the go-to place for anyone who's not the defense, prosecution, or judge to deliver lines.

Presumably, they have 2 different, but identical stands for the defendant and the witness. With one of those stand being invisible in the "can see most of the court" (the one from behind the stand) picture. Unless anyone else has any other theories?

I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.

Nidoking
Jan 27, 2009

I fought the lava, and the lava won.
Well, at least it's clear now who the murderer is.

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The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Stephen9001 posted:

Presumably, they have 2 different, but identical stands for the defendant and the witness. With one of those stand being invisible in the "can see most of the court" (the one from behind the stand) picture. Unless anyone else has any other theories?

The Japanifornian court system is desperately underfunded. This is why they can only afford to employ one judge, and trials must be over with in three days no matter what. As such, there's only a single spare podium in the courtroom that must be shared between everyone who isn't the judge, prosecutor or defence attorney.

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