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waitwhatno posted:Even if there is enough support in the population for it, a multi-billion dollar media campaign can give you any referendum result you want. This is bullshit HTH. Media campaigns are not mind control, especially with an issue like this which has been festering for literally decades. Jeb Bush spent a poo poo-ton on media and what good did that do him? See also the Scottish referendum, which came way closer to the wire than expected despite the media pretty much universally backing No. It's more likely the UK will vote to stay, but it's not a foregone conclusion by any means.
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icantfindaname posted:The chief austerity proponents in the EU are the Germans, not the Brits. Britain not being in the Euro is frankly one of the big problems with the EU, they were supposed to act as mediators between France and Germany, and they aren't, so that relationship is dysfunctional Have you seen our government? If we (the UK) were in the Euro our chancellor would be lining up with the Germans telling Greece to suck it. (Thank goodness we aren't, though; hate to say it but the Eurosceptics were right on that one and we dodged a bullet).
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Deltasquid posted:The EU itself doesn't have any formalities for leaving except "country decides to leave, start the procedure." It's the UK that decided on the 50%+1 vote referendum. Parliament is sovereign, so no, it isn't, though I have to imagine there'd be riots in the streets if the government was just like 'lol nope'. Some of the anti-Europe people are really, really fanatical about it. Bear in mind most of the people voting Leave aren't doing so because they think it's economically beneficial. It's a combination of 'rar hate foreigns telling us what to do' and 'gently caress immigrants'. Edit: Note, by the way, it's not 'England' that's voting on exit. It's the whole UK, which will get real exciting if Scotland votes Remain (as is likely) and the UK as a whole (read: England) votes Leave. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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MeLKoR posted:But this is irrelevant, any talk about Russia straight out invading Europe is pure fantasy. How would a country with 1/3 the population and 1/5 the GDP occupy a densely urbanized continent with a highly educated population? The insurgency would be a russian winter all day, every day. It occupied half of Europe just fine for half of the twentieth century? It's not like we Europeans have an AK in every closet, generally speaking.
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khwarezm posted:Hmm, for some reason I heard the UK was more unequal than the US. Why would you think this? We're closer than most European countries to the US but we still have things like, y'know, the NHS. Or do you have that weird stereotype that some Americans have that it's still literally the Victorian period over here and we have workhouses and send kids up the chimneys with brushes?
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Collateral Damage posted:More specifically, it's violence against civilians for political goals. The IRA shot a poo poo ton of soldiers and cops.
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Torrannor posted:Why isn't there a French politics thread? I enjoy reading about the upcoming election, but it seems as if there's enough interest for a genuine France thread here. And even if nothing happens, you can have regional slapfights like Bretons vs Parisians or whatever, like we do in the German politics thread. (Southern Germans are scum Best guess, French potential-goons mostly post on French-language internet comedy forums in French, instead of here?
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MiddleOne posted:You do realize that if the central rates go up at this moment then the housing markets of Berlin, Frankfurt, London, Stockholm, etc all go with them? Eh? The ECB does not control UK interest rates.
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endlessmonotony posted:Every single Scot I know also wants out. Most Scots on these forums wanted out the last time, too. Most British people you know probably wanted to Remain. 'People you know' isn't a representative demographic as a rule.
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endlessmonotony posted:What I meant was that very few people enjoy England and Scotland being one country, they just didn't want to gently caress up the economy / change a working thing. Again, I think this is less true of Scotland as a whole than what random internet acquaintances of yours think.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Britain is absolutely fine with free movement of labour in general, they just want to exclude certain countries from it. Leave voters/UKIP racists (not 'Britain', please, there are quite a lot of us who are not that) don't want foreigners, period. They may be specifically het up about Polish plumbers and whatnot at the moment but they're not exactly raring to let French and German people in either.
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GaussianCopula posted:If you look at the current voting trends in Europe it's very clear that the extremist positions are losing steam and there is a rush to the center. In this case Labor, especially the local MPs, were seen as the more rational/pro-European choice and got voted for, given that voters were very aware that there is almost no chance that Corbyn becomes PM. Hello hi British socialist here, I'm guessing you're the Europol Pissflaps. Are you actually trying to convince anyone that Jeremy Corbyn's Labour is in some loving way a rush to the centre? Because jesus loving Christ that's laughable. If the public and the young wanted Remain and centrism they would have voted Lib Dem, who made Remain the centrepiece of their campaign, as opposed to Labour who have committed to 'Brexit but not as bad as the Tories'. They didn't. Sorry for you, but this is actually and for real a vote for socialism and if the rest of our continent follows suit then more power to them.
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Kassad posted:https://twitter.com/Le_Figaro/status/874222880040603648 What, do they actually thing our lad is a straight up ISIS supporter or something? How does your brain even get there?
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GaussianCopula posted:Happy Brexit Negotiations Day everyone! Us leaving at all is absurd. Us going more Norway-model is a result of our recent election showing that the country isn't exclusively run by the Baby Boomer racists who voted for Brexit in the first place; it's a political compromise. It's a compromise that means I won't be living in a Mad Max economy, though, so if that's where we end up fine and hopefully we can rejoin properly in a decade or so when the olds have died off.
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YF-23 posted:This is misses the point, which is that they have kept re-electing Reagan and Thatcher to this day. Uhhh kiiiiiinda. And the opposition is now a) credible and b) socialist. Things are changing hereabouts.
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icantfindaname posted:Well, the opposition was socialist in Thatcher-time too Note the bit where I said credible. Though if John Smith had lived things might have looked very different Labour-wise in 1997.
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MiddleOne posted:I think people have a hard time getting around to the fact that most of our modern nation-states are not meant to be. I mean people love to talk about Iraq and Somalia but no one wants to talk about Belgium or the UK. Or, for that matter, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia...
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Pluskut Tukker posted:For all of these reasons, the concept of an orderly and peaceful secession in this day and age is a fantasy, now more than ever since the degree of complexity in society is so much bigger than it used to be. Without necessarily expressing an opinion on whether Catalan independence is a good or a bad idea, this is not true. The Czech Republic and Slovakia divorced on good terms. If Scotland had voted Yes I don't think there would have been Challenger IIs rolling down the Royal Mile, either. It can be done, though rather by definition only if both sides accept it's necessary.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Anyone remember a few years ago when the DS-K affair (not the alleged rape but the other stuff that came after, like his mistresses and orgies) was big news and people were writing about how French political culture just tolerated this stuff because "ze French?" British political culture has always tolerated that sort of thing as long as no one finds out about it? The supposedly unique thing about France is that nobody cares much even if they are found out.
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Gort posted:I had the dumbest most confused look on my face when I heard an old guy in the radio talk about how he voted for UKIP because Labour "aren't left-wing enough" two elections back Much like the BNP before them (or indeed literal  ) UKIP were fine with some populist leftwing economic policies (for white native working class people) to go along with the racism while meanwhile Labour at the time was New. There's a reason they got so many votes from places like the Northeast , it's standard far right tactics.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:So, can some UK goon then explain to us ~continental types~ what the May goverment is doing right now? If soft brexit/EEA membership is acceptable to the majority of the population, why are they loving around? Are they just trying to placate their minority xenophobic voter base? Then they clearly must understand that the time to do a proper EEA deal has already run out and dragging their feet is making the situation worse every day. What is the plan here? How long will the dragging of feet continue? I suggest you look at the Tory MP base, not the electorate as a whole or even Tory voters tbh.
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fishmech posted:Not really the US as you know it, it's just the easiest place to Build North American Union out of. But keep pretending like any of your silly little nations manufactured in 1840 or so are real  from a silly little nation manufactured in 1776, IMO.
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DXH posted:Immaculate Conception) Hang on, non-Catholic here, how does that work? Jesus' birthday is in two weeks' time so that's either an incredibly short or a very very long pregnancy!
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LeoMarr posted:I doubt Boris loving Johnson would ever run the party Counterpoint: Donald Trump. LeoMarr posted:And Prime Minister Mogg is not going to be a hit with any public. I could see him being pretty popular with rightwing Baby Boomers, which is the Tories' electoral base these days. Reminds them of the Empire of their youths, doncherknow. (He still gets obliterated by glorious socialism, but the Tories are still kind of in denial about that)
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Gort posted:I can't be arsed reading it all, but it looks like you can just found Labour in Australia by following this party registration process. Are you aware of some ban on creating political parties in Australia that I'm not? I mean it would be a bit confusing given Australia's main leftwing party is Labor (note spelling) which I feel some people in this thread are missing.
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Ardennes posted:It is interesting to see a clear divergence between the Anglo-sphere and continental Europe, it leads me to believe the unifying element is probably economic. The Anglo-American method of neoliberalism is just immensely more corrosive to the existence of democracy. Or, on the other hand, the Anglosphere has no comparatively recent experience of the alternatives.
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Ardennes posted:Eh, neither did Sweden really. Sure, but Denmark and Norway certainly did.
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Blut posted:The Russians for all their many faults did at least stamp out any possibility of a Prussian resurgence post-WW2, they deserve credit for that. Northern Germans and whats left of the Prussians are insufferably self-righteous and boring as it is. A timeline where the junkers didn't get curbstomped twice in the C20th would result in them being even more unbearable. The DDR was rather better (not perfect, but better) about doing denazification compared to the bundesrepublik too, if I recall correctly.
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steinrokkan posted:No, the DDR adopted the policy of burrowing its head in the sand whenever the problem of Nazi past came up. No? The DDR certainly had a tendency to say 'it wasn't us good guy Germans who did all the crimes, it was the Nazis' - and seeing as most of the DDR leadership of that generation had spent the 30s and early 40s rotting in concentration camps where they'd been put by the Nazis - because they were Communists! - they kind of had a point. They were more thorough at making sure that e.g. junior civil servants, teachers, university professors, that kind of person, didn't get to stick around in post if they were fervent Nazis. Which given the Nazis were explicitly ideologically opposed to Communism from the get-go, is hardly surprising! Meanwhile the Cold War is hotting up and the anti-Communist people in the West suddenly start to be relatively ok with letting these also-anti-Communist people stick around as long as they don't kick off too publicly and embarrassingly.
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Libluini posted:You recall wrongly. It was the other way around, the DDR was hilariously bad at denazification, up to the point where nowadays there are Nazi-parties getting 30+% of the vote in some East German regions. Thats not how neoNazism works dude. Do you think the guys who paraded with torches in America give a poo poo about George Rockwell? Or that the DDR could do anything about Germanys current Nazis using some kind of time machine? Many of them weren't even born when the wall fell.
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Tesseraction posted:Interestingly Ecuador declared Assange a naturalised citizen of Ecuador, which might complicate things. Although lol that they did because Assange will betray them at a moment's notice. I don't think Ecuador made him an ambassador!
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Mikl posted:Salvini's Lega (no longer Lega Nord, just Lega now, because they want votes from all over Italy of course) How does this work wasn't northern separatism literally Their Thing? It'd be like UKIP supporting Remain or something.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Italian politics sounds even worse than American politics. Tbh he sounds like if Rupert Murdoch was more charismatic and also had his own political party.
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Private Speech posted:The one upside Britain touts as a benefit of Brexit is the potential to become a "Singapore of Europe". If being a tax haven in the EU were quite so easy I don't see how that would be the case at all. And the UK tax havens (Jersey and Isle of Man) have welcomed Brexit for much the same reasons. Hot tip, 'Britain' and the loony wing of Tory Brexiters are not the same thing. And also they don't know what they're talking about.
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Deltasquid posted:Prague outraged by communist goon appointment Was surprised it wasn't someone from the UKMT tbh
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suck my woke dick posted:The EU is... minimally competent? Trade wars are literally what the EU is very very competent at. It's a bit poo poo as a pan-continental government-like-thing but it's a very effective trading bloc. (So, from my personal point of view, please god let there be a soft Brexit that lets us stay in it because the results otherwise will...not be pretty for the UK)
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Nilbop posted:I'm not at all surprised by this, I'm just rolling my eyes at Britain's pathetic roll downhill into shameful impotency since the Litvinenko poo poo went down. Gotta get that post-Brexit trade deal with Russia. All the borscht we can eat!
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ChainsawCharlie posted:In cost? Maybe.however since a european sam would probably be built by eu comittee,the hardware would be italian,the software french,the regulation and safety test would be performed by germans and assembled by the spanish.which mean that after coming online half the system wouldnt work and the other half would be shooting down everything larger than a seagull,and the project would managed to be understaffed and overfunded at the same time. Cross-European (not EU) defence projects are hardly uncommon dude. The Eurofighter, the Tornado, MILAN etc.
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SickZip posted:Do you actually believe this? From an outsider, it seems like the EU only starts wringing it's hands and talking about how it needs to respect national sovereignty when it's convenient, when it actually wants to act there's no pretense of feigned helplessness and there's always a handy legal justification that can be dug up to justify action. ...please give an example?
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