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Nu.nl is still calling it a terrorist attack basically when it looks more like a mentally unstable man going on a spree. God I hate that site. I do wonder how he got the gun, but the answer will probably depress me. I just feel so bad for the innocents he shot. E- Like, they keep going police assures us they are not ruling out a terrorist motive! But they are investigating if he had relationship problems. How is that good journalism. An insane mind fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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AlexanderCA posted:If it does turn out to be a hit on a woman involved in his rape trial they'll be pedantically correct. "Aanslag" doesn't strictly refer to terrorism, that's just the most common context we see it in lately. Yeah sorry, I know they suck. Like their comments are basically all geenstijl people but I don't really know where to go for *good* journalism online.
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Mar 18, 2019 16:52
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I think I'm going to vomit, I've been out to vote and most of the people I met on the way were like: "If you vote, vote for FvD." And even though I did it I hate even the idea that that smarmy gently caress of a Baudet is raking in the vote. Libertarian douche. Anyway I know most of you won't know what the gently caress I'm talking about but I needed to vent.
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Mar 20, 2019 19:58
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Tuiri posted:Wait do you mean that you actually voted for noted lover of fascists Thiery Baudet or just that you voted in general? Crap, I meant I didn't do it. I voted GL myself. It was more the incessant drone of FvD was annoying as hell.
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Mar 20, 2019 20:57
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Orange Devil posted:Two large fascist parties now, and they aren't even cannibalizing each others votes. gently caress everything. They're not? So we literally just have more fascists coming out of the woodwork? Fucksake. I also love how Baudet was telling kids to stop listening to their 'leftist' teachers and just ignore climate change. At this point I cannot decide which one of those idiots makes me angrier.
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Mar 20, 2019 22:26
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It's going to be hilarious when his party is going to be: LPF 2: LPF Harder but now in the First Chamber. And he flans in on himself during the next elections.
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Mar 20, 2019 23:54
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Honestly the best thing for getting rid of these guys is watching them flail and gently caress up with what little power they have because our Dutch system allows no one full power. Basically everyone is fighting all the time, the right just eats its own party harder and I can wait patiently for Boomer death.
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Asehujiko posted:I wish I could share your optimism but the right hasn't eaten anything other than vanity parties like Trots op Nederland since the implosion of the Lijst Pim Fortuyn. I expect an ascendant Baudet to end with the Netherlands out of the Union, and on the bottom of the North Sea. I just think it has been mostly the same number of seats bar a few here there that's been divided among the far-right. What I don't get is how FvD is stealing votes from the left  how can anything that man says gel with anyone who considers themselves leftists?
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Mar 21, 2019 00:19
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Orange Devil posted:In general I think what passes for our leftists parties are way too obsessed with This. I wish they would take off the gloves and wade in on these bad faith fuckers. Marijnissen the elder would have I'm pretty sure.
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Mar 21, 2019 09:06
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9-Volt Assault posted:But if we are mean to Baudet then our voters will leave! Wow, I didn't realise you could do such a good impression of a Dutch politician (that may not sound like a compliment). Like, the student and younger generations skew so left and would love nothing more than to see them loving dunk on the far-right but no no no we need to keep 
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Clerical Terrors posted:I'm more worried about the FvD than about the PVV. They're both fascist demagogue parties, but Wilders seem to have slid fully into "talk big, deliver little" politics. Baudet is far more involved with Alt-right figureheads and people who might be willing and able to make good on their fascist beliefs. As long as others treat him and his party the same as the PVV as in, refuse to work with him, then he can do nothing but posture and boast. He doesn't have the youth vote even though he acts like it so his party has a best use before date.
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Mar 21, 2019 13:26
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JordanKai posted:Eff me running. I expected the FvD to score a big win, but I did not expect them to reach shared first place. This country is falling apart. I know it feels lovely and scary, but the other big winner was Groen Links and I kind of wonder how many FvD votes were kneejerk reactions about Monday's shooting. The only thing we can do against parties like the FvD is always come out to vote. Stuff like the climate marches were very positive signs to me.
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Mar 21, 2019 13:50
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Clerical Terrors posted:The reason the PVV destroyed it's own political clout is because the VVD tried to work with them and Wilders failed to compromise, not because everybody grew a consciousness. if Baudet is smart he'll learn from those mistakes. You're right about that, but I'm afraid that he would be smart enough to compromise. On the other hand he has no plan at all for anything beyond; we don't like the brown people and I should be able to call a black man derogatory names with impunity without getting punched because free speech. His party is literally the alt-right...so I hope the left just starts dunking on his party immediately. Though I'm guessing we shouldn't expect much :/ On a related note, was it mostly olds voting again?
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Mar 21, 2019 14:14
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AceOfFlames posted:Im sorry for annoying everyone but I honestly have no one else to ask. No one at work is talking about and I don't want to sound like a panicky weirdo. Honestly I don't think you have to make plans just yet. At the moment FvD is big but with them not having a plan and left leaning parties except SP on the mend  I think you can still do a lot worse than the Netherlands.
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9-Volt Assault posted:Apparently 1/3th of their voters is 65+ (link is in Dutch), and half is between 35 and 64 years old. So 80%+ is above 35. It might indicate younger people didnt fall for him, but it's probably skewed by young people simply not voting at all. Yes because protest votes have worked so well in the past. Do people not know that a blank ballot is a way better protest vote because doesn't accidentally let the fash in? Ugh, but thanks for the stats. Does anyone know why the olds skew so right nowadays? Like, at least the 50+ generation had all the socialist benefits for a long time and now the right is whittling away at them. Is it just fygm?
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Literally all the right leaning papers, I mean using god drat Telegraaf or Trouw as a source, lol.
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AceOfFlames posted:I am not a Dutch speaker so I have no idea of the leanings of individual papers (I mostly use Dutch news. NL) . Thanks for the clarification. Anywhere where I can get a more comprehensive listing or at least the papers I should be reading? Looking through it, the papers like Volkskrant (which used to be pretty left leaning when I read it) aren't blaming the climate accords for Baudet's win but are more apprehensive that Baudet might have a larger voice in how the government (which sadly is pretty right wing already) approach handling the stipulations of the accord. Because of course Baudet is a goddamn climate change denier. E- and damnit I meant Elsevier in my earlier post. I usually don't like the way Trouw reads but I don't think I can call it a right-wing rag. Telegraaf however, you bet your sweet rear end I call it right wing. An insane mind fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Mar 22, 2019 |
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sean10mm posted:It's one thing to complain about hosed up poo poo in your country, and quite another to constantly ask for help FLEEING a country that's top 10 in inequality-adjusted HDI, for no clearly stated reasons other than "Saw a bad thing in the papers." I have the same knee-jerk reaction as AceofFlames, but honestly as long as the left leaning people don't get complacent and keep voting and active Baudet will never have the base he needs to govern by himself. He'll have to form a coalition and that blew up the PVV, so he'll be understandably wary to try. He's probably way happier just kicking against the sitting government and looking like a smug oval office all the time.
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Osmosisch posted:Volkskrant is not left at all, it's a boomer paper. Thanks for the clarification, but god do we need an actual leftist paper.
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Lord Stimperor posted:Imo De Correspondent is worth reading very often. It's appears very thoroughly researched and their articles come with lots of footnotes and direct links to source and reference material. But you need to either cough up or have someone share their stuff. Thanks I will check them out!
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Imo what the European Union needs is a single social healthcare system, a universal minimum wage accross all member states, a healthy 90% tax on all income over 10 million, an enshrined way to turn countries towards green energy and a nazi-punching clause in every memberstate's constitution.
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Orange Devil posted:Hell make it a corporate tax, a wealth tax and estate tax.
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Tax all billionaires everywhere 90% of their annual income and they won't stop being richer than they know what to do with but increase VAT and people in the lowest income brackets might go without food or drink ir have to decide between food or rent this week.
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Welp, someone threatened Thierry Baudet (the FvD guy) on the internet so of course every political party in the Netherlands has to immediately distance themselves from it and he's getting the warm coddling treatment by the media. Nice, give him an even bigger platform guys. Nice country, good job. A leftist politician gets threatened and it's just meme-ing or jokes, right wing gets threatened OMGNO.
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Mar 26, 2019 20:00
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If people in the Netherlands don't educate themselves on what the parties stand for and only go by what they see on t.v. or in the papers they will vote more and more right. This is because the news, especially on television either in an effort to remain 'unbiased' or because they are being bought out by rightwingers, will go way more critical on a leftwing than a rightwing politician. And rightwing groups get a lot more airtime anyway. Before an election I'll see 2-3 FvD or PVV as before I see a single SP one.
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I wish Jan Marijnissen was still the leader of the SP in the Netherlands. Though his daughter is good, you can see that she's still finding her feet. But with global warming coming who cares about the Netherlands:D we're one good wave away from a very corpaey atlantis.
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[quote="Vichan" post="493973958"] I've voted PvdD in the last three elections. It always comes down to them, GL or SP but there's something about the latter that doesn't appeal to me at all. I wish I could put my finger on what it was. [/quot PvdD is some good poo poo. I stopped voting SP this last election because of their Euroscepticism, I'd rather have a leftist bloc in the EU because I want full socialism nao. (I know I'm living a pipedream but still)
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Ok thread I did the EU voting test and I came up. -97.22% Virgiene Roziere of S&D -96.43% Bjorn Niklas Semrau of Greens -96.43% Artur Mazur of Greens -95.24% Robert Gabel of Gue/NGL So does this mean I'm fash or cuck?
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YF-23 posted:You are getting a mix of socialdemocrats, greens, and leftists, I'm not sure why you are asking that question to begin with. Because I was making a joke.  I'm actually really excited to see the results of the elections.
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Goons Are Great posted:I found it funny tbh. Let's be friends! I want a friend! Let's be friends.
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Let's all of us be friends! Let's make a sort of group or like Union in which we can all be friends.
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Well I'm going to vote greens in the EUlections and smdh as only 5% of my countrymen show up to vote. We really, really need more non-rightwing people voting in the Netherlands.
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fishmech posted:Ah yes when national entities sabotage supranational entities, the supranational entities have problems... clearly the problem is the existence of the supranational entity.
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Only about 30% of the world is fascist cunts (which is still too goddamn much) but you can always count on them to vote, whereas the left leaning people are either too disaffected or unwilling to rock the status quo to come out in numbers. Unless I'm living in a fantasy world and actually everyone is fash now
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Welp, I voted left and european friendly for all the good it'll do. Apparently turnout is abysmal where I am.
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MiddleOne posted:Turnout is abysmal everywhere. EP elections are combating with US federal elections for sheer lack of democratic legitimacy. Honestly, that really sucks but I guess it's better than people just coming and voting with their gut. Guess we'll get a few more far right alliances going
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pigdog posted:Baudet is fantastic. He and Jussi Halla-aho are probably the politicians I admire the most. In my country the nationalists are much more hardcore and abrasive/Trumpian in style, but in this day and age, that's already unnecessary. The globalist left simply has no legs to stand on. They universally lose any public debate they dare enter, and that's why they only fight using censorship, lame propaganda, violence, and importation of voters who depend on them. It may have short term effectiveness, but at the same time it means are utterly unable to convince and convert anybody outside their bubble on the right. Slowly but inevitably, the tide is turning. Just wanted to say I'm happy for the Dutch, and best of luck getting their country back. gently caress off. E- beaten but I whole heartedly agree with gently caress off nazi.
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And his party is literally already having the same dumb problems the pvv and lpf had, with infighting and stupid party members.
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That's some good news, sort of. I just don't get all this FN and Vlaams belang surging. Well I do get it, but I wish I didn't. These parties aren't going to solve problems, just fill their pockets while calling foreigners the problem.
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AceOfFlames posted:IIRC she worked on some sort of ice cream additive. She would have found a way to make ice cream horrible somehow.
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