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Against my better judgment I decided to dip my toe into /r/unpolitical to see how the wider world was handling the run up to the referendum. To say it was an unpleasant experience filled with overwhelming Leave circle jerking would probably be a bit of an understatement, although it might have just been a bad time I caught them at, seeing as they were all luxuriating in an apparent 13 point swing to Leave that was reported in a poll on Friday.
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I'm trying to make a link between modern Leave voters unwillingness to take part in Europe and general fear of Johnny Belgian telling them what to do and Our Brave Tommies going to war to save Poland from Old Hitler but nothing's coming to me. There's something there though I'm telling you. Maybe toss in something about Brexit voters preferring to murder defenceless politicians to boot.
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Jun 17, 2016 00:52
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Deltasquid posted:The EU itself doesn't have any formalities for leaving except "country decides to leave, start the procedure." It's the UK that decided on the 50%+1 vote referendum. It's not binding in the least, but it wouldn't look good for the sitting government to completely ignore it. Of course then you have pro-Leave pundits thumping their chests and saying it would be political suicide for the Conservative party if they don't immediately initiate the Leave process and that the Conservative party would literally not survive the scandal. Nilbop fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Jun 21, 2016 17:47
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LochNessMonster posted:It's a really big blow to the prestige of everyone involved in the EU bureaucracy and thus they are pretending it's all doom and gloom if the UK leaves. Tell me more about corrupt Johnny Greek and his lazy, ignorant ways.
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Jun 21, 2016 19:27
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So are the good guys winning?
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Jun 26, 2016 19:13
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Private Speech posted:We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. Are we allowed to talk about large scale unskilled immigration without it devolving into exactly this sentence or has the Left just ceded this ground entirely to the political Right?
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Jun 26, 2016 19:29
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Private Speech posted:I don't know, I mean I'm not trying to steer it that way. It's the similarity that struck me Your own citizens by default come first. Nobody's debating this to my knowledge. That's an issue of citizenship, not race.
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Jun 26, 2016 19:35
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:Are you allowed to talk about the stock market crash of 1929 without it devolving into the rise of the Nazi party? Is that a yes or a no?
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Jun 26, 2016 19:45
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Here's a link to the reddit live-thread on the truck plowing into people at the Berlin Christmas market. Currently 9 killed, 50 injured. https://www.reddit.com/live/y4kse2ib8b37
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Dec 19, 2016 21:50
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Sums it all up quite well What's that first word?
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May 1, 2017 22:15
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Harry Potter is English, which as everyone will quickly tell you means he cannot be a fascist or Nazi no matter the policies he supports or enables. So please, stop slandering this fictitious cultural icon.quote:DER SPIEGEL: Mr. Prime Minister, since your party, Law and Justice (PiS), has been in power in Warsaw, Poland has suffered from a bad image. It used to be the model pupil among the new European Union member states, but now it is considered un-democratic, nationalistic and quick-tempered. What happened? quote:Morawiecki: Those are opinions and not facts. Poland is a democratic nation-state like all the other countries of Europe. And we are pragmatic. We have a problem with a part of the European political elite and with journalists, but not with the normal people. For example, 97 percent of all foreign investors would come to us again. You are right, though, that we need to make a greater effort to explain our policies. We are facing major changes in Poland. Now, we would like to see the majority of our population benefit from our economic growth. Just because foreign observers used to praise Poland does not mean that the policies of the time were also good for the majority of the population. Allow me to respond to your accusations of ill-temepered goonery by ranting vaguely about a nebulous hostile entity while also acknowledging the same decline in my country's prestige that I initially sought to refute. Edit: I'm not actually a normal reader of Der Spiegel but if their journalists deal so handily with bullshit political dodges as this one does then I might be looking for them again.
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Feb 25, 2018 14:40
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Inescapable Duck posted:It seems to me like the problem is no one sees the EU as a remotely democratic institution. And they're probably entirely accurate. What's the litmus test for a body being democratic here? Because I don't see it.
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Mar 3, 2018 14:20
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I feel like this thread has an overly high ratio of tinfoil hat wearers who use the word "democratic" as a knife to slice at things they don't like, but then again I'm working on a Saturday so what the gently caress do I know.
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Mar 3, 2018 17:33
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There's this show I'd like you to watch, it's called The Wild Ones. It addresses everything you're concerned about. Here's the gist though; your complaint is stupidly broad and your solution is absurdly narrow. "I'm unhappy with how I'm being represented therefore the EU has to come a-tumbling down" is half-assed emotional polemics.
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Mar 3, 2018 18:27
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So I guess Buttery Pastry and MiddleOne just had a bunch of "gently caress the anti-reform guy!" posts in their back pocket they wanted to get out there regardless of whether the guy they were responding to was talking about that or not. But I mean gently caress it it's a Saturday, let's all indulge in strawmen! And while we're at it let's hypercharge the hyperbole!! Nobody would have a different opinion than mine if they knew what was really going on! Criticism of any variety is an attempt to shut down discussion! Wait, why are all these crows gathering around me? Nilbop fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Mar 3, 2018 18:53
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Dude. These are not the posts of someone who thinks the EU needs reform: Perhaps next time ask me about my opinion on EU reform in the EU thread, rather than for some reason trying to sieve it from my responses to an emotional lunatic who's complaining about the broadest poo poo in the universe framing it in the context of the oncoming collapse of Western governance.
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Mar 3, 2018 19:03
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quote:All the elections I can vote in, none of it makes a lick of difference to how the EU is run. So no, the EU doesn’t have a ’democracy deficiency’, it was never intended or built to be a democratic project at all. All the organs of building democratic consensus in the EU, namely the EU parliament, were from the very beginning carefully not granted any kind of executive or legistative power beyond a measly veto right. quote:Parties like M5S Podemos and Syriza do not arise in societies where the electorate is satisfied in the way they are being represented. And with every single party of significance a seeming captive servant of finance capital, no matter how you express your dissatisfaction with the state of things, with every party telling us ’there is no alternative’, I do not consider myself or my interests represented. Someone who'd read this.
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Mar 3, 2018 19:11
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Dawncloack posted:No strawman, you are the strawman!! lol You seem to have become quite the little whiner, the moment you found pushback to your slogans. What in the name of gently caress is this nonsense?
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Mar 3, 2018 19:15
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Orange Devil posted:How about you just state your opinion about the EU when you post in the EU thread rather than doing this cutesy poo poo and posting vague crap about what "the thread" has too much of. I responded to a post you absolute numpty, and you want people to post their entire set of political beliefs every time they post now? What are you barking on about?
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Mar 3, 2018 20:10
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I think it's broadly fine but am open to the idea of reform.
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Mar 3, 2018 20:39
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Dawncloack posted:"Reform". Ok. What reform. Let's hear it. Didn't post in the thread to advocate reform mate, so no. If you like you can ask the guy I was responding to.
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Mar 3, 2018 20:47
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Orange Devil posted:Well you've convinced me. Looks like lollontee was saying dumb poo poo all along. You asked me what my opinion was on reform of the most complex macro-political international body in human history in one line. What the gently caress is wrong with you?
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Mar 3, 2018 20:50
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Orange Devil posted:Really, you're going to complain about a one line post? You? Next time ask the question you want the answer to, how about that?
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Mar 3, 2018 21:43
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Bedshaped posted:It's pretty surprising. Canada needs to harden TF up. I moved to Canada (from Northern Ireland, no less) and holy gently caress it's cold. It's dry and cold and pulls the loving soul from your bones. I hide away in my soon-to-be-legal pot-den in Southern Ontario on the very southern tip of the country, next to some nice, big, heat-regulating lakes and the winter still drags the temperature down to -20 or -30 on the regular, and that's before windchill. I can't stress this enough though: the pot is loving stellar.
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Mar 7, 2018 22:06
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Junior G-man posted:That whole "extra money and drivers for commissioners" thing has already been confirmed as not happening. Excuse me please don't try and temper my ragewank midstroke, thanks.
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Mar 8, 2018 14:45
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Fabulous Knight posted:From the Wikipedia article about that double agent the Russians had poisoned in the UK just recently: I'm not at all surprised by this, I'm just rolling my eyes at Britain's pathetic roll downhill into shameful impotency since the Litvinenko poo poo went down.
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Mar 10, 2018 13:59
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I enjoyed the part where he quoted Faust to illustrate his economic philosophy. Yes, that’s a thing that happened.
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Mar 11, 2018 20:59
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GaussianCopula posted:Maybe EU sanctions should hit the Moscow proxy in the EU... I'm not sure this counts as Greece aligning with Putin.
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Mar 22, 2018 20:36
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Is somebody seriously arguing for placating Putin after 2 blatant assassination attempts on British soil and 2 invasions of friendly allies within the past decade?
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Apr 2, 2018 22:09
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That's up to the Ukrainians as opposed to the Russians. Neither Europe nor Russia gets to dictate to Ukraine what to do with itself.
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Apr 2, 2018 23:39
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Ardennes posted:Also, as it has been mentioned, the entire issue of NATO and EU membership which will permanently "declare" a winner. You're going to have to explain what you understand this sentence to mean to me.
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Apr 2, 2018 23:43
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Ardennes posted:Once a country in the former Soviet Union enters NATO/EU they are almost certainly not going to leave it, it is a one-way trip. The simple reason for that is being in the EU and NATO is better than being in the remnants of the Soviet sphere. I'm not sure what you were trying to say with this, it's literally beneficial for every nation to join the EU (including us in the UK) and it's beneficial for every state worried about Russian encroachment to be in NATO.
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Apr 3, 2018 02:22
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Ardennes posted:Well you explained it yourself, that is what is motivating the Russians in the first place especially since they can't compete with the economic advantages of the EU. So the fact that their country is a shithole is motivating Russians to invade neighbouring allies and threaten non-aligned states?
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Apr 3, 2018 15:12
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The Russian oligarchs who bled the country dry were fully backed and advised by The West?
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Apr 6, 2018 06:25
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I'm kind of wondering that myself, because every Russian's response to this question seems to flip from "The West is our enemy!" to "The West didn't save us!" overnight with zero self-awareness.
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Apr 7, 2018 09:45
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lollontee posted:yeah but that's harder to indignantly make fun of, in a desperate effort to delegitimise any enmity that russians might harbor, with regards to their fair and honest treatment in the magnanimous care of the western powers. That’s super easy to make fun of because it makes Russia into a little kitten helplessly ravaged by The Nefarious West exactly long enough for Russian posters to validate their vague and nebulous anger towards anyone but themselves.
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Apr 8, 2018 00:49
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lollontee posted:Oh good, so you agree then that Russia has plenty of reasons to be angry at the West? No, I’m actually blatantly mocking that tendency? I thought I was pretty obvious about that. Do you want me to break it down a bit more? “Russian posters have a tendency to blame everyone but themselves to avoid personal responsibility.”
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Apr 8, 2018 00:55
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lollontee posted:Now the thing I wonder is, how many of the people you consider respectable have used the argument "tendency to blame anyone but themsekves" with you. And how is it that you don't consider admitting this embarrassing? Oh you're just repeating what I say back to me now? Gosh, if only there was a word for that tactic.
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Apr 8, 2018 06:27
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lollontee posted:Well, you keep saying funny things! If you don't actually believe these things, why is it that you keep telling us you do? What the actual gently caress are you talking about? At what point did any doubt enter your mind regarding me mocking you? Allow me to assure you there’s none there.
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God I'd love for Merkel just to pick him up and throw him out the 4th story window. Just like ... who was that baddie from the Matilda movie?
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