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Mr Hootington posted:I like the Punisher that shoots knives and the Punisher that becomes Frankenstein. That is the best Punisher. I think you mean Frankencastle!
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Frankencastle was pretty great but man was the rest of Remender's run a huge mess.
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Mar 22, 2016 02:58
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I liked the ending.
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Mar 22, 2016 03:01
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Lurdiak posted:I liked the ending. The tone of the book is just all over the map and a bit jarring at times. I love how it starts, with Frank using super weapons to knock off the bad guys but then we get into ressurected villains and it sort of makes my head spin. I just finished a re-read early today when I took a break from watching Daredevil.
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Rhyno posted:The tone of the book is just all over the map and a bit jarring at times. I love how it starts, with Frank using super weapons to knock off the bad guys but then we get into ressurected villains and it sort of makes my head spin. I just finished a re-read early today when I took a break from watching Daredevil. Well it's really obvious he wanted to stay in Frankencastle longer and was kinda forced to undo it asap to make room for the next guy, I wager a lot of the stuff in the book was supposed to go slower than it ended up.
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Mar 22, 2016 03:14
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Lurdiak posted:Well it's really obvious he wanted to stay in Frankencastle longer and was kinda forced to undo it asap to make room for the next guy, I wager a lot of the stuff in the book was supposed to go slower than it ended up. Honestly the lead up is more of a mess than the end. The last 5 issues is much better paced.
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Mar 22, 2016 03:18
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I was organizing my unsorted comics that were sitting in piles into my boxes, and just the Secret Wars titles I picked up would fill about 75% of a short box. I'm actually surprised how big the event was, but how generally over all was fairly good.
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Mar 22, 2016 05:36
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I'll gladly argue that it was the best comic book event. The creative freedom of the tie ins made sure there was something for almost everyone. Secret Wars showed the ability of Marvel's editorial team to organize all these various writers and artists onto a wide array of titles with a high rate of success. This has carried on to All New All Different Marvel.
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Mar 22, 2016 07:23
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It wasnt all good though. There were some really, really bad ones. But a lot of them were really good.
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Mar 22, 2016 07:27
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SynthOrange posted:It wasnt all good though. There were some really, really bad ones. But a lot of them were really good. Was anything as bad as, say, World War Hulk: Frontline?
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Mar 22, 2016 07:33
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SynthOrange posted:It wasnt all good though. There were some really, really bad ones. But a lot of them were really good.
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Mar 22, 2016 07:36
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I'd like to know which current Marvel book is very bad. Is there a Lobdell's Titans I'm missing amongst the ANAD books? Uncanny X-Men maybe? Anyone reading that?
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Mar 22, 2016 14:55
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Extraordinary is the one everyone says sucks. Nobody really talks about Uncanny. I haven't read either.
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Die Laughing posted:I'd like to know which current Marvel book is very bad. Is there a Lobdell's Titans I'm missing amongst the ANAD books? Uncanny X-Men maybe? Anyone reading that? Extraordinary X-Men is really bad. Uncanny is better.
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Codependent Poster posted:Extraordinary X-Men is really bad. Uncanny is better. Captain America: Sam Wilson and Astonishing Ant-Man are both really dumb but people seem to like them. Black Knight, Guardians of Infinity, and Red Wolf might be really bad but I don't think anyone is actually reading them. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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Mar 22, 2016 15:04
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Codependent Poster posted:Extraordinary X-Men is really bad. Uncanny is better. The latest issue of Extraordinary was better, but that could just be a fluke.
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Mar 22, 2016 15:19
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Rhyno posted:Honestly the lead up is more of a mess than the end. The last 5 issues is much better paced. Remender's Marvel work had pacing issues all over the place, sadly.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:01
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Edge & Christian posted:I would reverse this. Not reading any of those other books, but Ant Man was the first book I dropped. Not bad, just kind of dull. A-Force was the next one dropped. I like the characters, but I just don't care about them hinging the whole book on Singularity. Maybe I'll check on it next arc.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:25
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Edge & Christian posted:I would reverse this. I haven't read BK or GoI, but Red Wolf just feels really disappointing. It's not an unholy abomination, but it's a really standard Western in modern day, and Red Wolf feels like a supporting character in his own book next to the two actual cops. As an attempt to reintroduce Red Wolf to the Marvel universe it fails to actually make him feel like a part of it, cornered off hin his own wacky small town policing adventure, and as a modern Western there's nothing really remarkable about it.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:39
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I like Red Wolf a lot and I will be sad if (or apparently, when) they cancel it.
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Dunbar posted:like Red Wolf a lot and I will be sad if (or apparently, when) they cancel it.
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Dunbar posted:I like Red Wolf a lot and I will be sad if (or apparently, when) they cancel it. They made a mistake removing it from the great world they created in Secret Wars.
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DrProsek posted:I haven't read BK or GoI, but Red Wolf just feels really disappointing. It's not an unholy abomination, but it's a really standard Western in modern day, and Red Wolf feels like a supporting character in his own book next to the two actual cops. As an attempt to reintroduce Red Wolf to the Marvel universe it fails to actually make him feel like a part of it, cornered off hin his own wacky small town policing adventure, and as a modern Western there's nothing really remarkable about it. It does seem like Edmundson's plot would be better-suited to a novel or something than a comic. It's on a very slow boil, and while things happen, it isn't making a very efficient use of the monthly format. There's also nothing about his initial plotline that requires it to also involve time travel, at least at this point. I also have to wonder how much of the book's lack of success can be attributed to the pushback against Edmundson himself.
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Wanderer posted:It does seem like Edmundson's plot would be better-suited to a novel or something than a comic. It's on a very slow boil, and while things happen, it isn't making a very efficient use of the monthly format. There's also nothing about his initial plotline that requires it to also involve time travel, at least at this point. The time travel thing is what I think really kills it. Time travel happens all the time in the Marvel world. It can lead to a lot of wacky fun adventures. But in Red Wolf's case, it just slows down the story because Red keeps needing to learn about modern times, and the cops need to keep wondering what's up with the weird Native American dude. We know what happened to Red. We know there are plenty of people in the Marvel world who could figure out what's going on with him in seconds and know how to send him back/bring him up to speed on modern times. The slow pace you mention doesn't do the book any favors, but I feel like a slow pace plus time being wasted on Red Wolf getting used to modern times really makes the book feel like nothing happens. quote:I also have to wonder how much of the book's lack of success can be attributed to the pushback against Edmundson himself. I would not be surprised if this figured into it. His Black Widow was good but Phil Noto was easily the star of that show, his Punisher (EDIT: From what I've heard, haven't read it personally beyond 2 issues) was weak and seeemed to think Punisher was just a straight up hero, and now he's working on a book with no big name hero or artist attached to it, and in the months between BW ending and now he's had more bad press come out about him (or at least people started noticing the stuff that came out about him from before). In general controversy doesn't really sink a comics creator, but in this case Edmundson I don't think was big enough to be immune to controversy before it hit. burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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His Punisher was really great early on, but it burned out and I dropped it before it finished. Too bad, because it was loving amazing when it started.
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I've been reading the Lee/Kirby F4 stuff and I've really been enjoying it. It holds up a lot better than I thought it would. I thought it would take me forever to get through the three omnis I have but I got through half the first one in one work day.
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WickedHate posted:is Punisher was really great early on, but it burned out and I dropped it before it finished. Too bad, because it was loving amazing when it started. The part where he smiles and cracks wise while cutting dude's fingers off to steal their rings as they're eaten by crocodiles? The part where he's a cool customer who hangs out and flirts with lady cops and gives them the jewelry they stole off corpses? The part where he makes a lot of racial jokes at the expense of the minorities he indiscriminately murders? Or is it where he's seen as an unironic role model for military and law enforcement officers out in the field?
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I don't remember the racism and the military/police bro-ing sucked. Also, I liked the mask a lot.
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Has there been any public specific accusation about Edmondson? I read some vagueries back when Red Wolf was announced but not a peep since. I only knew about that stuff after looking him up when a friend tabled near Edmondson at a georgia Con awhile back and said he was a real dickhole.
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Edge & Christian posted:I would reverse this. I read Black Knight, the fool I am. It was really not good. It hammers on the drugs/sword parallels for all five issues, with people telling Dane he needs to dry out from the sword, but then in the end they just give it back to him for some reason. No attempts are made to actually help Dane or remove the curse or just destroy the blade, it's just "Never mind, addict, you were right. Enjoy your drugs!" The supporting cast was also incredibly boring: two bland grumpy human warriors who hate each other because they both think they love ~*Dane-sempai*~ the most. The book's villains aren't even really in the series -- it's mostly squabbling between Dane and the Uncanny Avengers -- and they don't show up to fight anybody until the series is almost done, and then half an issue later it's revealed they aren't really who you thought they were! They're actually... some random other guys you don't know, led by a dude who was in exactly one panel of the first issue, and now they're wearing dumb lizard costumes to disguise their identities for... reasons! Oh, and Steve Rogers is almost instantly overwhelmed by the Ebony Blade when he picks it up, because apparently Captain America is less pure of heart and has less willpower than Dane Whitman? There might be explanations for some of these dumb things in the book, but so much about it was bad that I don't want to bother going back to it or even trying to remember. It was immensely forgettable.
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I would like to like Ennis just because, hey, his politics seem a lot different than mine and it doesn't hurt to read stuff from the other side of the tracks now and then, especially if its well-done (having to come to terms with Ezra Pound and Carl Schmitt helped me out a lot professionally for example) but I can never get over his insistence on rape as funny and in particular the trope of a wimpy male character getting sexually assaulted to show that he isn't tuff enuff to bark with the big dog protagonists or whatever. I remember this really bugging me in the Barracuda arc, along with a strong sense of discomfort with Barracuda himself as "huge sexually insatiable hyper-mammal black guy" racist schtick.
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Archyduke posted:I would like to like Ennis just because, hey, his politics seem a lot different than mine and it doesn't hurt to read stuff from the other side of the tracks now and then, especially if its well-done (having to come to terms with Ezra Pound and Carl Schmitt helped me out a lot professionally for example) but I can never get over his insistence on rape as funny and in particular the trope of a wimpy male character getting sexually assaulted to show that he isn't tuff enuff to bark with the big dog protagonists or whatever. I remember this really bugging me in the Barracuda arc, along with a strong sense of discomfort with Barracuda himself as "huge sexually insatiable hyper-mammal black guy" racist schtick. Every single one of his gay characters are also problematic as they all seem to be sexual deviants
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I really like Blindspot. I hope he sticks around permanently as Daredevil's sidekick.
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Vishass posted:Has there been any public specific accusation about Edmondson? I read some vagueries back when Red Wolf was announced but not a peep since. I only knew about that stuff after looking him up when a friend tabled near Edmondson at a georgia Con awhile back and said he was a real dickhole. Ales Kot implied that he was homophobic last year, and said that he was going to release some info about it but i don't think he ever did. But I don't think there was anything else in terms of accusations about Edmondson.
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bobkatt013 posted:Every single one of his gay characters are also problematic as they all seem to be sexual deviants He's been writing more "normal" gay relationships into his work since maybe 2004. For example, the "Streets of Laredo" arc in Marvel Knights Punisher features a decent, heroic gay character, and there's a whole arc in the last "Kev" book he did for Wildstorm about the main character coming to terms with his homophobia. Yeah, Preacher is skeevy like that, but he's done a lot since then. Skeematic posted:Ales Kot implied that he was homophobic last year, and said that he was going to release some info about it but i don't think he ever did. But I don't think there was anything else in terms of accusations about Edmondson. I started to write about it from memory, but as it turns out, here's a good collection of the accusations. http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/133145-why-are-people-angry-at-nathan-edmondson-the-new-writer-of-marvels-red-wolf.html
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bobkatt013 posted:Every single one of his gay characters are also problematic as they all seem to be sexual deviants Pictured: Garth Ennis in 20 years:  
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Wanderer posted:He's been writing more "normal" gay relationships into his work since maybe 2004. For example, the "Streets of Laredo" arc in Marvel Knights Punisher features a decent, heroic gay character, and there's a whole arc in the last "Kev" book he did for Wildstorm about the main character coming to terms with his homophobia. Vague twitter posts are vague twitter posts and not proof of anything. I don't know anything about Edmondson and he doesn't sound likeable but unless someone says something definitive, even if only anonymously, then no decisions or judgements can be made about the man.
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HIJK posted:Vague twitter posts are vague twitter posts and not proof of anything. You don't get to dictate that.
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Lurdiak posted:You don't get to dictate that. I'm not stopping you from doing anything, I'm just pointing out that without knowing what he might be guilty of, it's impossible to know what we're even judging. That article doesn't actually say anything about what he's done except a one line allusion to sexual harassment. The rest is frustrated twitter rants that don't/can't actually say anything. What is the guy accused of besides writing racist comics? I still don't know.
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