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MightyPretenders posted:Uh, fear of what exactly? The dark side primarily, but more specifically extremes of emotion. They've seen what people can do when driven by intense emotions, even seemingly positive ones. Go play Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer (or read the LP) to see what kind of atrocities one can do in the name of love, and many of those examples don't even concern people who get metaphysically juiced up by such acts.
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That's pretty much it. "Be afraid of yourself" is basically the unspoken Jedi motto. So when the Sith come along with their motto of "Hell with that, make other people afraid of you" it's fairly compelling.
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Possibly-unintentional-case-in-point, Ako Domi, the Jedi from Nar Shaddaa that Quentine ran into way back when. Dude was a squeaky clean hero, gets captured and thrown into a Sith blacksite for a couple years of torture and manipulation, flips straight to "I am a void of neverending darkness!" like a teenager who's just discovered black hair dye and eyeliner. Which isn't to say that people don't crack up under duress and torture, especially considering the Sith sort of specialize in that sort of conversion, but the Jedi are primed for conversion for the reason PTN pointed out - the Jedi have already taught themselves if they compromise they can't be Jedi, so when a Jedi does have to compromise a lot of them end up figuring that must mean they're Sith now. That's how even something as mundane as a normal human relationship can get them to go completely crazy (see: Skywalker, Anakin). The best and most resilient Jedi are invariably the ones who don't take it all too seriously and maintain some self-awareness, although there might be a lower limit on that too (see: Rand'ayn). Which reminds me, update totally coming up, for real this time.
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So who played the latest chapter of Kotfe? Because I'm just going  I mean, let's not spoil for the ones who ain't gotten there yet but holy poo poo lets react. Siegkrow fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 10, 2016 |
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Siegkrow posted:So who played the latest chapter of Kotfe? Because I'm just going Knights of the Fallen Empire has really high highs and some pretty low lows. Latest chapter was one of the highs, imo.
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Siegkrow posted:So who played the latest chapter of Kotfe? Because I'm just going ... I guess I should go play the last couple chapters of KotFE, huh?
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Smuggler Shadows of Revan Update 1: Oh yeah, the Sith also exist   I’m with the SIS. We’ve got a very special event coming up, and you’re on the guest list. What kind of “special event”? The kind the Empire won’t enjoy. Details when we meet in person - see you soon. So the SIS wants to party, huh? Looks like my schedule’s just filled up. Is that…? Captain! It’s good to see you again. Welcome to the secret mission! Not that secret, the way everyone’s blabbing about it. Oh, this is Akavi, an excellent woman to bring to a brawl. She certainly seems to be. You're Mandalorian, right? Yes. And you are the Jedi the Captain writes about in his personal log. Woah. wait, that’s not - how does everyone keep getting into there? You have a crew of professional thieves. Also, your password is 'password'. Ha! Why haven't we met before? Because I probably would have tried to kill you, Jedi. Mandalorians, am I right!? Ha ha haaaa, anyway here we are--  ...And then wave two comes in. Perfect timing. You’re actually planning an attack on Korriban? Yes. And your part in the plan is critical. Oh, I remember you! Grand Master Satele’s son. And you must be the Master she calls “the nosy one”. Can we skip the backstories? So we’re invading Korriban - take me through your plan. Like how we’re planning to occupy the Sith homeworld. Won't the Sith be... upset? We don’t have the resources to hold Korriban. Yet. Our objective is to raid the Sith Academy. Specifically, the databanks held inside the Dark Council chambers on the Academy’s upper level. The information in those databanks could win the war. Once the first attack wave clears a landing zone, it will be your job to go in and get them. You will exfiltrate immediately and rendezvous back here. My associate, Commander Jensyn, will remain behind to collect secondary objectives as time allows. Have the Empire’s forces really become so weak that we can charge straight in like this? You don’t need to tell us how tough this will be. The Sith Academy is one of the most secure locations in the entire galaxy. But if we succeeded… we could learn more about the Empire’s moves than every SIS operation from the past decade combined. Our forces are ready. Victory for the Republic depends on you. You can sometimes rely on smugglers too, for the right price. May the Force be with you. It’s a long flight, we should catch up. When was our last death-defying mission, Corellia? It was! I saw your speech to the Senate after. Very moving. Almost professional. You should be a senator. You wound me, padawan. We got sent to Ilum, dealing with the Empire’s little civil war. I’m surprised we didn’t cross paths. What, that iceball? Please, that job was for suckers. My last big contract was Makeb.  You’re the hero of Makeb?! I’ve been hearing stories from the refugees! And all of them true. Even the ones that sound made up. Especially the ones that sound made up.One Interminable Journey to the Edge of Known Space later  Korriban. Think of all the history beneath our feet. Think of all the corpses. Who's the droid?  GSI Brand Combat Special! Here to support the war on [ENEMY] for the glory of [GOVERNMENT]! Man, they'll sell those things to anyone now. They certainly will, [ALLY]! Everyone ready? We will stain the sands red with the blood of our enemies! I'll take that as a yes.  [So yeah, we did get two Jesus Droids along for the ride on this flashpoint. It made things embarrassingly easy, so we ditched them by the first boss.]    Are you okay?! This is nothing! aaaaaaaaaaaaaa The droids will hold the valley, while we push on to the Academy. And what about this guy? We ask him nicely to let us through. He may listen to reason. Time for some good old Corellian charm. [Lord Renning is the same Sith who sent Mortiferous on a brain hunt a long, long time ago]  [He will release his Tukata friends to help out in the fight. All that brain research paid off, apparently.]  *BLAM* Too bad we couldn't talk it out. Maybe if your opening line hadn't been 'get out of the way, Tubbs', we would have got somewhere. Eh. I tried. Imperial defenders have a barricade up ahead. There's no time to go around—you'll have to break through. Onwards and upwards!  Looks like our boys need support.  *BOOM!* Lucky the Imperials were all standing by those explosive barrels. Luck... or the Force? The Force... or stupidity?   Look, I’m sorry, okay? That’s not why we’re here. Just… just try to keep your heads down, all right? What’s going on here? We can’t leave them behind - do whatever it takes, just get them out of here. Whatever you say… You made the right call. Besides, those troops’d just get in our way. Taking on the entire Sith Academy with no backup… the glory will be legendary. Even if we are all horribly killed. I’m glad for your support?  What? They're just k'lor'slugs. I hear Rodians can make a mean ragout out of ‘em. I... wasn't expecting so many. Uggh. How can people live here? Sith are only people in the loosest sense of the word. ... Impressive. The Empire's been fielding a lot of new technology lately. Some sort of new power source they discovered. Seems like just another droid to me. Oh wait, that's pretty neat.     OK, just gimme a minute to hack this shield control. Try 'password'.  That's some welcoming committee. The temple is just up ahead. It’s even bigger in person... Think we might’ve bitten off more than we can chew on this one?  Phew, guess not! Hey, is this guy supposed to be ticking? This is it. The Sith Academy. Mm. There's something primal about it, isn't there? Like it grew out of the rocks. *Yawn* I dunno. You see one ancient temple of horror and evil, you've seen them all. Ha ha, very funny. So Captain, ready to invade the chambers of the all-powerful Dark Council? I mean, while we’re here anyway. To be continued...
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That's certainly one way to start a new arc.
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"The newbie zone has changed" is always a neat card to play in an MMO, and seeing it from the other end only makes sense. How many people only played one side in this game, anyhow?
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Sadly this doesn't actually affect the newbie zones for people, even ones who have been through this story part. Jolune can go back to Tython and the dodecahedron will be happily floating again.
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"On behalf of every graduate of the Sith Academy I'd like to personally thank the SIS special task force that burned down the building and killed all the teachers." -Literally Anyone Who Played Sith Warrior or Inquisitor
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paragon1 posted:"On behalf of every graduate of the Sith Academy I'd like to personally thank the SIS special task force that burned down the building and killed all the teachers." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUugQoxS8_o
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Bruceski posted:Sadly this doesn't actually affect the newbie zones for people, even ones who have been through this story part. Jolune can go back to Tython and the dodecahedron will be happily floating again. While there's been some backtracking before, SWTOR doesn't really advance each location with the timeline. Going back to Tython at max level is more like going back in time to the state of the galaxy back when you were level 5, new characters are still starting their story back in the Cold War and Korriban and Tython remain unchanged to reflect that, same for Makeb despite it having nominally exploded.
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I'd be amused if a cutscene triggers in these flash points which is basically just the intro video to the game, and the players are then faced with a level one enemy with basic equipment, as if you're facing off against against someone playing the game for the very first time who is late to the party and thus in well over his head from the get go. Nice to see Jolune back for the end end game also. Especially considering she has a fair bit of history with our other two survivors with Mort and Quinnie. Minor bit of house keeping PoptartsNinja; in the OP before your picture of the 3 of you, it still says 'two' remain.
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I originally thought it'd just be Quentine and I. Nice catch!
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"And all of them true. Even the ones that sound made up. Especially the ones that sound made up." Heh. That's a good line.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0 Pretty much every remaining Sith, when they hear about Korriban.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I originally thought it'd just be Quentine and I. Nice catch! I'm still technically here too! If you ever want me to show up or help with anything just shoot me a PM. Goes for anyone.
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Same for Abeena, too.
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I will be taking advantage of those offers.
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Smuggler Shadows of Revan Update 2: Death to Sidequests Face the power of the dark side! These halls will be your tomb! Give me a break. I've been in deadlier bar fights. Wow, really? …No, Nadia. It's just smack talk. Bar fights don't involve leathery psychotics trying to rip the soul from your body. *cough* Most bar fights don't involve leathery psychotics trying to rip the soul from your body. That was the best shore leave we ever had. Huh. Pointy. The famous Giygas memorial. Don't stare at it for too long. The Dark Council chambers are on the upper levels. You'll need to access the main elevator to reach them. And how do we open the elevator? Kill some quest givers, get some codes?  We don't have much intel on the upper-level defenses--be ready for some heavy opposition. The SIS as helpful as ever. What do I even pay my taxes for? You pay taxes? In theory.  Come, little Jedi. I can read the skein of your fate painted on the inside of your skull. It says - hguk! No you don’t! [We’ve met Overseer Ragate before, when she gave Mort a vision of the future, in exchange for BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD.]  Nadia! What have I told you about letting mad Sith sorceresses try to possess you? Sorry, Master. I won’t pretend I know what was going on, but looks like it worked. Yeah, you wouldn’t believe how much practice I get with that one. Well, she had a code cylinder for the upper level. What kind of crazy Sith loot you think she was keeping sealed up in that vault? I sense… skulls. Lots of skulls. So probably not worth cracking open then.  [Inquisitor Arzanon sent Mort to hunt traitors with the magical traitor hunting machine.]  Here's another code cylinder. This is an idiotic security system. This one reads “ord”. That first one was “pas”. Bet you five credits I can guess what the next one'll say. I wonder what they did in here? They tortured and killed people for no reason, Quentine. Their pain is soaked into the metal. Yeesh. In the future, assume I'm being rhetorical with that stuff.  And the fat one makes three codes. I'm not dead ye- argh! Sorry, she shouldn't've jumped the gun. Haha, yes. So much ancient knowledge… just… out of… reach! Aren’t Jedi known for lifting things with their mind? Ugh, don’t remind her. We’ll be here all day. Nadia, give me a boost!  Wait for it…*WHUMP*  That’s all the codes. Let’s do this.[The last two Lords, Solence and Cestus, aren’t sidequest givers for Imperial players, they were just background NPCs on Korriban. The linking thread for all four Lords is the mission Atronie did for Lord Abaron way back when- they’re the four Sith who get scanned as part of that quest.]   What’s that awful noise? The muzak of the damned. The Sith like to soften up their supplicants before they meet the Dark Council. Ding! Top floor! Menswear, camping equipment and Dark Lords.  Believe me, my profaning’s just getting started. Did you believe you could breach the chambers of the Dark Council and go unpunished? That you could steal our great works without challenge?    Hey Jo, how many Dark Council members are we up to? Three? Four. I picked one up on Ilum. Let’s keep the ball rolling.  Did you think swatting a pack of washed-up instructors and pathetic acolytes meant you were worthy of facing me? Brace yourselves, I think he's going to- Fools! He's too powerful to contain – you need to get under his guard! Hit him in the face!   “Hit him in the face”? Sometimes serenity must give way to action. I must be rubbing off on you. Phrasing, Quentine. Well ladies, we've defeated a Dark Councillor and taken the throne room. What do we do now? Hmm... Hail, Darth Quentine! What news of our latest diabolical scheme? Our most potent superweapon yet nears completion, Lady Bloodmurder! Capable of destroying the entire galaxy in 3 seconds. I call it... the Excruciatatron. Eeeeeexcellent. This shall be the one that seals our final victory over the Republic, unlike our last 17 superweapons which sucked and were bad. Also, my Sithsona is Lord Bloodmurder. Masculine titles are preferred for both Sith and Jedi. Do we really need to sweat the details on this one? What about my immersion? {Looking at their big computer} Weren’t we supposed to be doing something? Oh right, the mission! Well, here’s the Dark Council’s private terminal. Every kind of classified file we could hope for. And hey, look - they left the Dark Council’s official social media account logged in. Let’s share some terrible opinions on the Holonet.[VIDEO: Another Victory for the Good Guys]  *BOOM*  Now I see… you are not the ones who kill me. You have merely cleared the path for the one who will. I face my fate gladly, Jedi. The old man was right about me - was he right about you, too?  A member of the Dark Council could’ve been a valuable prisoner. Pity. The situation was under control, Jensyn. There was no need to kill him. He raised his weapon. I don’t take chances with Sith. We are going to have words later. As you say, Master. Your part of the mission is done. My team will hold the academy while I search these chambers along with a few technical specialists. One Interminable Journey from the Edge of Known Space Later...   Don’t mind the annotations, I noticed a few grammatical errors. Congratulations. You just succeeded in a mission many people never dared to dream was possible. We’ve proven that victory - true victory - is within reach. Just imagine: all of the Emperor’s followers, truly defeated at last. We’re close now, I’m sure of it. This is a great day. I don’t know about you, Colonel, but I prefer to spend my great days in the cantina.*ALARM*  Imperial forces just hit Tython. Iso-5 bombings, strike teams in the Jedi Temple… they need our support, now! How did this happen? If you’re willing to help, we might be able to find out… Blue squadron: complete refueling operations and launch immediately. Any wave one troops not injured on Korriban: re-equip and board shuttles. Shan, you gather whatever sensor data we have and forward it to all forces. I want everyone en-route in five. Move! Why do I get the feeling ‘a brief gap in our patrols’ is responsible for this breach? This is your home base being attacked, Master Jedi. You can meditate on the ramifications later. The Empire must not be allowed to capture Tython. We cannot afford to hesitate. Period. Before we launch, can you tell us what we’re up against? Who’s in charge down there? I’m still getting the contact reports, but… from the sound of it, the attack was led by the Emperor’s Wrath. …Why? Is... that a trick question? He’s a Sith. We can debate this afterwards. Action stations! Let’s go! To be continued?
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A dramatic meeting of characters! Dundundunnnnn
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Have we actually met Jensyn or Darth Soverus before? I'm guessing Soverus is just some new council member to replace one of those you lot have been killing recently, as gotta get a boss fight to finish the trip. But I get the impression were supposed to know who Commander Jensyn is, or have I missed something? Also as this is 'Shadows of Revan' stuff, and Theron Shan has popped up; how common knowledge is it in universe he and his mother are descendants of Revan?
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Paused posted:Have we actually met Jensyn or Darth Soverus before? I'm guessing Soverus is just some new council member to replace one of those you lot have been killing recently, as gotta get a boss fight to finish the trip. But I get the impression were supposed to know who Commander Jensyn is, or have I missed something? Nope. They're brand new.
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Paused posted:Also as this is 'Shadows of Revan' stuff, and Theron Shan has popped up; how common knowledge is it in universe he and his mother are descendants of Revan? Darth Soverus is so new he doesn't even get a codex entry. It's never made clear what he was responsible for on the Dark Council. Care for the Elderly perhaps, given that he shows up to fight in his bathrobe.
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Inferior posted:Darth Soverus is so new he doesn't even get a codex entry. It's never made clear what he was responsible for on the Dark Council. Care for the Elderly perhaps, given that he shows up to fight in his bathrobe. IIRC he's implied to be the guy in charge of Korriban and keeping the Sith training program running smoothly. Not sure what sphere that would fall under. Possibly (later Shadow spoilers) Logistics as Vowrawn's replacement while he's on the run.
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The Dark Council seems to be going through one of those high turnover periods where a few seats are held by long-timers and the rest go to a rotating cast of climbers. Normally, I'd say those positions will either stabilize once the seats are filled by sufficiently competent Sith, the smaller group of council veterans will eventually absorb the outstanding portfolios instead of electing replacements, or one of said veterans will grasp for power and dissolve the council (and its membership) permanently. The Emperor was the force keeping the council stagnant and under control, Baras and Malgus were just the first Sith trying to fill the void now that he's gone. I think we've already had one guy absorb the three war-related portfolios so the consolidation might already be under way. It's kind of interesting how much more important the Dark Council is than the Jedi Council, since the Supreme Chancellor and friends are at least nominally the leaders of the Republic and Satele gets to be the Jedi's iconic representative whereas in the Emperor's absence the Dark Council runs the Empire and is inherently given to machinations and power-plays. I mean, Jolune's on the Jedi Council and I don't think she's so much as asked someone to get her coffee. Meanwhile Darth Nox has a pyramid full of flunkies bowing and scraping. Dolash fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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Inferior posted:Darth Soverus is so new he doesn't even get a codex entry. It's never made clear what he was responsible for on the Dark Council. Care for the Elderly perhaps, given that he shows up to fight in his bathrobe. Wait, sorry, I'm wrong. Arkous is Baras's replacement. I have no idea what Soverus does. My money's on 'Sphere of Sith Philosophy' Darth Baras -> Darth Arho -> Darth Arkous PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Oh, you actually get to take your tutorial zone back? Or is that just a statement of general intent at the end there?
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 Sith Warrior Shadows of Revan Update 4: Scenery Chewing and Silence  Click for Video (Recommended for Truly Outrageous)    I want to punch you in the face. Is-- Is this what it’s like for other people when they talk to me? At this very moment, Lord Goh’s team is exploring a hidden chamber rumored to hold the Jedi’s most treasured secrets. That’d better not be Jolune’s bedroom. Better still, the Republic will be reeling right now, stupefied over the humiliation you’ve wrought. You underestimate them. Sergeant Tarsten, do you not see that I have company? Important company? Of-of course, my lord. But I’ve a report from--from Korriban. It seems--the Republic, my lord, they…. Yes. Yes, you’re right. My apologies…. Republic forces have made landfall on Korriban and sacked the Sith Academy. What? A retaliation so soon? What’s the present status? It’s done. They’ve taken the Academy. Secured it. And reports indicate that Darth Soverus… gave his life in its defense. I see…. Leave us.  Ready the shuttle for departure. I’m going to Korriban. You’re eager. Good. We need eager.  I’m going to coordinate with our forces on Korriban, ensure you have a safe place to land near the Academy as possible. As with Tython, I will remain in close contact with you throughout the operation.       This is Lana Beniko. Not the greatest position, I know, but the lower Wilds is as close to the Sith Academy as our team could manage. The Republic’s pulled out all the stops with this invasion, but we fully expect your retaliation to surpass their efforts. Fight your way up to the Valley of the Dark Lords and reclaim the Sith Academy. Spare no one.          I’ve received word from Sergeant Tarsten on the ground. It appears your arrival hasn’t gone unnoticed. A Republic barricade has just been fashioned to bar your progress. While hastily constructed, it is formidable--but we have every faith in you.
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An interesting note about this story arc: after the girl on Republic Makeb and guy on Imperial Makeb, Lana Beniko (the blonde Sith lady) and Theron Shan are TOR's first proper bisexual romance options. Knights of the Fallen Empire adds another bisexual male option, but Lana remains the one and only LGB love interest for women in the entire game unless you count that Republic-only girl from Makeb.
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There's random no-names either gender can flirt with during the Bounty missions, but otherwise yeah. Baby steps. You take back Korriban! And make sure Quin didn't stink up my chair!
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Jeez, are Tython and Korriban next door neighbors or something? They are both infinitely close together and far apart at exactly one Plot Point apart.
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Glazius posted:Those are some impressive smug eyebrows. Arkous is pretty great. He chews the scenery, acts like a smug douche, and nearly all of his facial expressions seem lovingly crafted. I can't recommend watching videos with him in them enough, he's Truly Outrageous.
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