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Aerdan posted:¡Viva la liberación! Close! Viva a liberação! is how it would be said in Portugal. Thanks for the attempt! Montegoraon posted:What victory type are we even going for in this game? Honestly, we really aren't aiming for one as of yet. Since I was hoping to use LP as an introduction to the ins-and-outs of Civ V BNW, I was thinking that we would play the audience participation game more or less as one might play for the first time, by kind of screwing around and doing things based more on in-the-moment feeling rather than strategy until eventually stumbling into either victory or defeat. What I may do, actually, is get a vote on the Victory condition to aim for later on, but there is something that I want to happen before that... Xelkelvos posted:With Religion as a focus, Culture and Diplomatic are the likely candidates. The former is easier to do than the latter as we don't have the Forbidden City to give us two free votes and Religion doesn't do much against relationship decay iirc. The only problem with Culture is that it requires a bit of playing nice for the most part (until the AI just suddenly hate you) and that involves trade and having open borders and such. You are correct in that those are our most likely victory types, but I would argue that the Forbidden City is only really useful in the early life of the World Congress. By the time we get to the point of the Diplomatic victory those final votes can easily be gained from bought-out City-States, and playing as Portugal actually makes this a bit easier due to making lots of money from trade. The reduction in decay loss from shared Religion is 0.25 points per turn, which is neither huge nor nothing, so I think that it is quite nicely combined with the Patronage bonus. We may even want Open Borders anyway in order to ensure that Sebastianism spreads more easily. I would also add that the Reformation bonus giving easier Science access actually makes the Science victory feasible as well, especially since our Production is also fairly strong across the board. Keep those votes and opinions coming, averyone!
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AJ_Impy posted:Navigation and Liberation Seconded.
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Only by Liberating Our noble brethren can we welcome them into the flock, also boats seem cool so Navigation
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ModeWondershot posted:Close! Viva a liberação! is how it would be said in Portugal. Thanks for the attempt! Cool. I don't know a lick of Portuguese, so I figured I'd play it safe with Spanish (sorry). Thanks for being a good sport and sharing the Portuguese equivalent, though.
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Aerdan posted:Cool. I don't know a lick of Portuguese, so I figured I'd play it safe with Spanish (sorry). Thanks for being a good sport and sharing the Portuguese equivalent, though. Hey hey, no apologies needed! (Continental) Portuguese and Spanish are the two closest Romance languages so there is quite a bit of carry-over in the vocabulary. It actually made trying to learn Spanish in college very difficult because I kept getting called out on using Portuguese instead! Hope you have fun reading and keep contributing!
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Stormgale posted:Only by Liberating Our noble brethren can we welcome them into the flock, also boats seem cool so Navigation Seconded. Boats and Liberty; two of my favorite things.
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We should get Navigation, but we should ask our learned men at the Universidade de vau des bois how to do that and focus our own efforts toward the Printing Press Also liberate Kabul, defending that position once taken should be a breeze.
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We must Navigate our way forward, then use the experimental Printing Press to bring religion to the world! Also let's leave that poor town alone, God obviously allowed this to happen for good and just reasons. Besides, that Caesar guy obviously wants to be best buds with us, and you don't earn buddy status by taking away their toys!
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FINAL VOTE TALLY Choice of Technology: Navigation 8 Printing Press: 3 Acoustics: 2 Looks like we will continue to master the sea, which is nice as I was hoping to show off the other Portuguese unique Improvement soon. Kabul will also be liberated from Roman clutches, and Navigation will go a long way towards making that happen. Update to follow
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Some bad news guys  Enjoying this LP though!
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Selfish rear end in a top hat destroys priceless art... 
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Poil posted:Selfie-ish rear end in a top hat destroys priceless art...
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Sebastio has returned...TO THE GROUND!
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Now that Portugal has taken bravely to the seas and seen the new lands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUjOfsoBhMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdqM_oFRbz4 A change in music is needed. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 15:25 on May 9, 2016 |
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 Let's talk about Portuguese colonialism.  Since Portugal as a country had historically existed as part of Spain, which was also its only land neighbour and one of its biggest historical allies and enemies, there was little reason to attempt significant altercations with them over the Iberian peninsula. Further, as established by the example of King Sebastian, conflict with the Berbers in North Africa, while feasible at one time, was not exactly sustainable for the Portuguese.    Instead, through a combination of missonary work, trade, and exploration by sea, the Portuguese essentially started the particularly European practice of colonizing overseas territories. Trade made them wealthier, and exploration made them famous, but their overall lack of resources and small population meant that their colonial holdings, for the most part, could not be adequately overseen, and eventually collapsed...  The years seemed to pass with particular quickness as message after message flooded back from the twin Nau, enraptured as they were by their wondrous journey.  Yet more missives brought dreams to Dona Maria, in which she saw men wandering across great expanses, claiming territories larger than any she could imagine.   These Shoshone people must be in need of trade, a reminder that the sacred hunt and piety brings with it wealth and prosperity.  The images described by the sailors reflected this, as the sights they encountered seemed like dreams of their own.  Yet, the dreams began to give way to a reality, as the Portuguese began to accrue knowledge of the world as it was, rather than just how they imagined it.  Still, some things remain ever as they were, Faroans are committed to their industry, which brings them a sort of joy.  The hunt must continue as well, as it remains the purest expression of faith in Portugal.  To Dona Maria, the dreams continue to bring her closer than ever to her fellows across hundreds of miles and the barriers of language.  She comes to think of her fellow dreamers as equal parts friends and strangers. They are cordial and welcoming one moment, but their distance and language barriers seems to give each of them pause about growing too close to one another.  Some of them, however, seem so familiar as to be uncanny.    The world yet grows in both size and wonder, as Maria travels the world before any of her Nau even become aware of it.  There are dangers to be sure, but nothing that the adventurous Portuguese are unable to handle.  Whether in dreams or reality. (Ordinarily Byzantine presence would annoy me when we are in a religious game, but this is going to be hilarious for reasons that will become obvious later)  There is a sense that the world is a place of chaos and opportunity. Neighbours bring potential friendships and potential strife. Astute readers will have already realized why this image is funny.  The Portuguese, however, are ready to rise to the occasion.   Unfortunately, Dona Maria becomes acutely aware of the fact that others seem to be trying to take advantage of her. She refuses all attempts others make to trade when they do not understand the value of what she offers.  Yet, the business of exploration continues unabated.  It is a lucrative business, to be sure.  As well as a profoundly educational and enlightening one. A pursuit well-suited to the triumvirate of Portuguese values.  The men of the São Gabriel are somewhat disconcerted by the sheer number of Japanese soldiers. Are Barbarian hordes really such a concern in places like this?  Lisboa sees to opportunities to earn more money.  Yet Dona Maria asserts that some things are just not worth the pittance of coin, and refuses Dandolo's request.  She will have to teach a few of her fellow dreamers the actual value of things.   Everyone is improved by experience and knowledge, after all. (I went with Mobility for the São Rafael, since it gained a hefty amount of XP from the trade with the Shoshone.)  Such experiences can only lead to better things for each person you meet.  It can even lead to unexpectedly pleasant surprises. This. This is the hardest the game could possibly dunk on the Byzantines. I noticed after the initial encounter that the Byzantines were in the game but Eastern Orthodoxy was not one of the Religions that was active. Then I remembered that Japan had taken a Capital, but they must have gone after the Byzantines so strongly that they never even had a chance to advance the religion to the point that thy got the first Great Prophet. Alternatively, they went for Stonehenge and we sniped it first. I laughed so hard when I saw this.  The people of the world adopt strange ideas about the kind of Gods that oversee them.  However, harmonious living and acceptance is a worthy end to achieve regardless.  After all, the world is full of fascinating chance encounters that deserve to be treasured.  Luanda, quickly becoming renowned as the wealth of Portugal, begins the process of becoming a true merchant empire.  A move that Lisboa can support through further military development.  While, far from the shores of the Portuguese homeland, the most surprising meeting of all takes place.  What a strange and wonderful world we live in, where Gabriel can go east, Rafael can go west, and they are still reunited at the day's end.  The worker corps receive a strange directive from the Casas of Luanda to undertake a new assignment...  in Samarkand.  São Miguel discovers Venetian shores, chock full as they are of crabs. Rumour has it that the Venetian faith is somehow centred on stories of an ancient people living under the sea.  Faro continues to pursue industry.  The Portuguese, at long last, enjoy the recognition of their intellectual prowess.  The São Miguel approaches a snow-filled southern coastline, and, to the incredulity of the crew, spots Barbarians living much further south.  Lisboa, meanwhile, sends its own group of Workers to Zanzibar.  Dona Maria proposes a friendly agreement with Ashurbanipal, the first of her neighbours, and she respects the fact that he recognizes the value of what she is proposing.  The Berrio, the latest of the Portuguese fleet, takes to the oceans.  While the Sebastianist dispatch begins the task of enlightening the whole of Assyria. Part of why I got Open Borders from Ashurbanipal is that I noticed too late that the Missionaries started taking attrition damage. Attrition in this case refers to the fact that Missionaries can cross another Civ's territory without sparking a war (other Units cannot do this if an Open Borders agreement is not in place). However, the cost is that they will take 250 points of attrition damage each turn, which causes them to be less effective at performing conversions and eventually outright kills them if they take 1000 points of damage. Originally, I had thought that Attrition damage did not apply if the other Civ did not have a religion, but I was wrong, as evidenced here.  The time has come for Portugal to continue growing.  Without a moment to spare, Dona Maria has every man, woman and child in Lisboa prepare for another excursion.  The world presents many wonderful possible sights to see, and many unknowns as well.  Yet, every surprise is exciting, if not always pleasant.  Indeed, contact brings with it some unfortunate strife. Here is where spies on defence can be helpful. I will likely have a hard time getting this spy dislodged until Oriana gets back, and even then it can be hit or miss depending on how our luck goes.  The duty of any Portuguese person who considers themselves enlightened is to share that enlightenment.  As the world is...wait...  Something...something is not right...  The dream is starting to look like a nightmare... Dona Maria is awoken in her chambers by a panicked messenger, claiming that nations around the world have erupted into some sort of mass frenzy. Romans and Assyrians have begun to slaughter one another on distant fields, and the Shoshone have begun roaming through the jungles hunting down Brazilians. Japan has also begun an invasion of La Venta, which is likely to result in a Japanese conquest of the city.  In the midst of her dreaming, she had come to realize something horrible about the world she lived in.  Sebastião's vision was coming to pass. People no longer felt the joy of the hunt as it was intended. They had run out of challenges, their weapons were no longer meant for hunting food, they had turned to hunting other humans.  There would soon come a time when the Portuguese may have to protect themselves against this encroaching madness.  Everyone realized, far too late, that it had already claimed one city, and it was likely to claim more.  The world was a marvel, yes, but like anything in nature, it was also dangerous if approached irreverently.  It would have to be treated with respect, with the sort of caution one might take when approaching a wild horse or deer.  If the world is to be saved from this chaos of war, then important decisions need to be made. We have new neighbours, and battle lines have already been drawn. Using similar metrics to the ones we have already established, please determine our treatment of each of our neighbours, whether favourable, unfavourable, or indifferent, one at a time: The Shoshone Japan Venice The Byzantines Brazil Additionally, we have a new Settler, and a vitally important decision needs to be made as to its placement. However, there are 3 opportune locations that we may be able to use.  The last of the Portuguese mainland here, 3 tiles northwest of Kilimanjaro (one southeast of the spot recommended by the game). This is likely the safest location for the new city, being located on the mainland, easily supported by roads and protected by oceans. It also has access to the remaining Ivory on the island, ensuring the Portuguese monopoly over the resource. However, it does not offer anything we do not already have, but perhaps we have enough to guarantee our immediate future and there is no sense taking further risks. If you wish to vote we settle here, then use the city name Coimbra.  This desert hillside east of Assyrian territory, which is conveniently next to a river, a mountain, and a lot of sheep. Its resource access is quite good and it can thrive with a combination of natural defences and boons, and a mountain will both defend us and allow for the construction of an excellent building in the Observatory, but it may be a target for Romans if they are successful against Assyria, and it offers several unknowns with regards to neighbouring territories. If you wish to vote we settle here, then use the city name Ponta Delgada.  This cape at the southern end of the new continent, stuck between Samarkand and Buenos Aires (this game...). I'm going to recommend we sit directly on top of the hillside with gems, as that way we have a production boost and access to a camp from which we will get truffles, and between those two items we have enough Luxury resources to ensure good Happiness at no real cost, while the 4 nearby Fish resources will be great boosts to production. The only issue is that it will likely not get a lot of new territory given how much nearby already belongs to City-States, so its overall growth may be a bit limited. If you wish to vote we settle here, then use the city name Cabo Rachado. Voting will close on Wednesday night. Boa noite... ModeWondershot fucked around with this message at 01:52 on May 10, 2016 |
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Cabo Rachado will be our first foray into the new world! I could care less about the others, but Favor Brazil and Unfavor the Shoshone for the sake of their war.
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Ponta Delgada is a prime location. It can only feasibly be taken by sea and we have the most advanced navy in the world so defenses are not a problem. The other two we can always settle later, fairly safely, but that close to a major civ land gets competitive. It's also a great forward base to preach to the Assyrians and Romans and exert dominant religious pressure. We should be Not Friendly with Japan and Venice. No need to take anyone else's side (though being against Japan is being for the Byzantines really). All of our focus should be on opportunistic expansion - a colony on every continent, I say!
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Ponta Delgada - the most risk, but most promising rewards. Inclined to Favor Assyrians, Disfavor Romans as that policy looks to shield Ponta Delgada. Plus, we have sent missionaries to the Assyrians; if they convert, then we should protect those who are fellow Sebastianists.
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I agree, Ponta Delgada is likely the best spot. We can always grab Cabo Rachado later. I'd say for inter-civ relationships: Shoshone: Unfavorable Japan: Indifferent Venice: Unfavorable Byzantines: Favorable Brazil: Favorable
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Sums up what i was thinking as well. This.AweStriker posted:I agree, Ponta Delgada is likely the best spot. We can always grab Cabo Rachado later.
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Settle Ponta Delgada, but I'd also look into Venician territory for city locations. There's a bunch of crabs and other resources just to the south of Venice, and you haven't yet explored farther west.
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Cabo Rachado. Let's see what we can get from those city states. Favor Brazil Disfavor Venice and the Byzantines
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Kacie posted:Ponta Delgada - the most risk, but most promising rewards. I'm going to throw my vote behind this. Also, about the other civs: Japan: Indifferent Shoshone: Indifferent Brazil: Favorably Venice: Favorably Byzantines: Favorably Finally, if the wars escalate, act like an AI and become more and more pissy towards the agressors.
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Indifferent to all comers (for now), aside from liberating Kabul. Ponta Delgada to be our latest venture.
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The Shoshone: Unfavorably! Land stealing jerks. Japan: Unfavorably! Warmongering buttfaces. Venice : Unfavorably! City state killing assholes. The Byzantines: Unfavorably! Religion bonus thieves. Brazil: Favorably! They're ok. 
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Ponta Delgada is really the only good city location. What is the current state of denunciations and declarations of friendships? Knowing that would be helpful when deciding disposition.
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Without knowing the current political map, this is probably safe: Shoshone: Indifferent - The AI has them go wide so it's definitely possible that they'll soon try to breach the shores of the Portuguese homeland in search of new frontiers. Japan: Indifferent or Unfriendly - Japan is aggressive as an AI and we're blessed to not have to deal with them. Unfortunately, a lot of other people do. That being said, if we want to play liberators, there's always an opportunity in freeing the Byzantine capital of Constantinople from Japanese hands Byzantines: Friendly - Woe to them and their pitiful lot Venice: Indifferent - Venice plays for making nice with City States which can become a problem later down the line as relationships invariably improve with them (I've not had much experience with them fwiw, since they end up getting squeezed out by me or other players) Brazil: Friendly - Ehhh...why not? Sidenotes: Rome and the Shoshone don't seem to have religions yet just like Assyria. A prime opportunity. City: Ponta Delgada
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I'll say Coimbra because it's my hometown  as for the other civs, I think we should be unfriendly to Japan and Venice.
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Those who have taken cities that are not theirs such as Japan and Venice, we look upon with Disfavour. Those who assail their neighbors, likewise. Deal Favourably with those who take up the true faith. Delgada
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Are those 4 hill sheeps? Ponta Delgada and boost it with cash buys asap (mostly a stable, a granary and a monument). The cotton is just gravy. Indifferent to everyone, upgrading to favourable if we convert them to Sebastianism.
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Poil posted:The Shoshone: Unfavorably! Land stealing jerks.  Also, Delgada for lovely sheeps
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Cabo Rachado.
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Although the riches and luxuries of Cabo Rachado are sorely tempting, Ponta Delgada will be very industrious and we're going to need an army very soon. Omobono posted:Are those 4 hill sheeps? Ponta Delgada and boost it with cash buys asap (mostly a stable, a granary and a monument). The cotton is just gravy. Lord Omobono has the right of it, your Highness.
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Ponta Delgada Granizo dona maria, Descrobidor dos sete mares!
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Oh nooooooooo! Well, I guess the good news is that a liberal democratic Portugal will likely treat the guy more fairly than our Portugal, who would probably tie him down and have a trained elephant sit on him. Rigged Death Trap posted:Now that Portugal has taken bravely to the seas and seen the new lands: Rigged Death Trap posted:Ponta Delgada These are fantastic, and Tim Maia in particular is the reason we need to befriend and save Brazil. Please post more! Unfortunately, "granizo" means "hail" in the sense of the icy stuff that falls from the sky and not the sense you mean. Camoes posted:I'll say Coimbra because it's my hometown Thanks for adding the shoutout to your hometown! I was thinking it appropriate because I could talk about the song used as the Portuguese theme for Civ V in more detail.
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Ponta Delgada for strategic sheep purposes.
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Let's settle Cabo Rachado and use that spot to exert religious pressure on the neighboring city-states. Also I don't think we have gems or truffles yet, so let's snag those. Even if it remains small, we shouldn't have to worry too much about the city-states throwing armies at us (and we're right there to protect them if we need to, as well as perhaps establish trade routes to them?) I like the notion of emulating the AI and getting pissy with the warmongers.
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ModeWondershot posted:Unfortunately, "granizo" means "hail" in the sense of the icy stuff that falls from the sky and not the sense you mean.
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ModeWondershot posted:Oh nooooooooo! Well, I guess the good news is that a liberal democratic Portugal will likely treat the guy more fairly than our Portugal, who would probably tie him down and have a trained elephant sit on him. I blame google translate. I was going to post some fado music, Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 13:03 on May 11, 2016 |
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