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Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Curvature of Earth posted:

Apple's new donut-campus costs $5 billion, which is more than the cost of the new World Trade Center in the middle of loving Manhattan.

FWIW, neither building cost includes cost of land, and the donut has more square footage than the WTC.

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Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Panzeh posted:

Those ones are way too expensive for actual working class people to live in, much like everything else in the cities.

That's because we have like five of them total so they're just as in demand. If most suburbs were built that way they wouldn't be so expensive to live in.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Gail Wynand posted:

I'm pretty sure that's not the case even in NYC, plenty of inexpensive NJ suburbs have good transit to the city. Definitely not the case in Chicago.

Right. Cities with a good number of walkable suburbs that have good transit to the city core (NY, Chicago) have affordable suburbs.

Cities with an inadequate number have extremely expensive suburbs. (Sf, DC). Oddly enough, those cities also tend to have extreme price pressures in the city brought on by an unwillingness or incapability to develop more densely, which pushes prices up and desire outward.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Panzeh posted:

Define "Affordable"

Most standard suburbs have fairly decent sized detached houses that can be had for a hundred grand. My experience looking at "transit" suburbs is that you easily triple the price or more for that level of housing.

Have you compared transit to non-transit suburbs in the same area, controlling for things like school district quality? There's a transit premium for sure, but it isn't 300% (or even close to it.)

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Check into the recent trend in DC of apartment buildings petitioning zoning boards for variances allowing them to reduce parking spaces below the code minimum. Typically they argue profit, lowered desire for spaces, and that they'll provide transit related benefits in exchange (transit status boards in the lobby, carshare spaces, bike share memberships) in order to offset any impact on neighborhood street parking.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Harik posted:

I'm still surprised that it's only 3x the cost of pouring asphalt on the dirt; you have to do ground-prep for both structures and you don't need the same level of engineering signoffs. Thinking about it though, draining a giant field of asphalt must be more expensive than something 1/3 to 1/4 the surface area.

Garages also have the advantage that they can use less weather-sensitive interior materials and that you can typically use your structural material (concrete) as your surface, so you don't have to spend all the time paving that a lot requires.

And yeah, drainage for parking lots is a huge issue, especially in ecologically sensitive areas or if your jurisdiction has an active county/city/township engineer.

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Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

llamaperl2 posted:

Did WMATA finally kill the Accenture next gen fare system?

Yeah.

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