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Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Mayor Glowku posted:

On second thought Rarity could be scum. Who questions the Champ!?

It's very possible, but I'd like to see her most recent slew of pointed questions turn into a bit of dialogue. It's a null read for me so far; either she's poking for a scumslip, or she's looking to pounce on a careless townie saying something Bad. Seeing her engage with the people she's picked on will give us something to read and work with, at least.

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Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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gannyGrabber posted:

You still haven't figured out this game yet and it saddens me a little bit.

"You make me sad," is a very Arthurian thing to say.

Maybe a bit too Arthurian.

:tinfoil:

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Holy hell.

Who knife and forks a goddamn pizza roll?

HOW DID THIS EVEN COME UP?

(I applaud your bravery)

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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I should have finished the video before I posted.

For what it's worth, those things are huge. The ones I've seen are the size of...what, maybe a pair of dice?

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Yeah those look more normal. I usually go for the kind coated in fake Dorito dust, though.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Azuth0667 posted:



I submit this as evidence and anyone below 50 posts and not one of my gibbis brothers and sisters needs to up their posting lest they draw the attention of Ahriman.

We all know what happened the last time that occurred. *looks out the window at YPM's red blotch*

Yes, let's further obsfucate a thread that's already 33 pages deep on day loving two.

I like content. Content is great, but it's already going to be horrendous for town to piece through it to piece together the actual scum narrative.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Shadow0 posted:

Did we ever figure out the mason thing?

I'm still scratching my noggin at the miller claim tbh.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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If the fake flavorclaim and PR is FL's doing, I'm not even mad. I'm just impressed.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Infinitum posted:

What fakeclaim?

sighs

Scum often get fake stuff to use to play nice with town.

The Knights who say either NI or eckeckyeckwhatever are clearly scummy. Ish.

So either they're secretly okay, or scum get backed into a corner, or this is all a clever little ruse of somebody's doing.

Whatever it is, I'm not the biggest fan.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Azuth0667 posted:

Shall we kill the ponytars?

Not... yet.

1300+ posts.

Yes let's all rereadthe whole drat thread every day. ffs

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Kashuno posted:

Mafia is a a game of momentum. I don't bother going back at all unless something really sticks out.

Games of mafia are won and lost by going back and reading people carefully in the final, most desperate hours.

Sorry, I don't get the gibbis thing.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Infinitum posted:

Propaganda Machine is pinging me pretty hard at the moment.

That's cool. But you didn't back it up with a vote. You've gotten the side eye, so congratulations. I'll go ahead and scour.


Mayor Glowku posted:

There's nothing desperate or final about these hours, unless you are a wimp!

No, it's not these hours. It's when you're at lylo and have to look for suspicion in everything, and that's why the early days actually count for stuff.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Okay, yep. I'm going with this.

On a glance at Infinitum's posting, the following happened, among the myriad jokeposts:

He started out working harder on the cypher than anybody else in thread. That throws a hint of shade on KK I guess, bunt Inf went balls to the wall with it. He asked particulars of the PM and gave lovely-yet-competent hints as to how it may be solved. Specifically, he named the cypher.


Infinitum posted:

Here are all the variations on it. Red dot to show orientation.



Original.




I don't like that it's missing symbols.


And then he gets very overly defensive of KK:

Infinitum posted:

What role did KK claim? Or are you talking Kash and Mason recruiter?

Infinitum posted:

That's not a roleclaim mate.

Oh, you loving goons didn't get it? Here, let him spell it out:

Infinitum posted:

Run the cipher through a keypad.




I'll just decode the first word with it.
DEF
TUV
ABC
JKL

Like even though it was a joke, I'm starting to feel it would have been interesting to leave it running for a while.
See who was helping and who wasn't.

And then, the major argument D1 comes back to is there's so very little to work with and it'll just expose people, and yet:

Infinitum posted:

Man I voted for you before you started fighting, and I already provided some analysis.

Give it a rest.

Oh, it was all a joke, actually? That's cool:

Infinitum posted:

Guys I decoded the message!

http://i.imgur.com/jG8GeH9.webm

:siren: DUCK THE JOKE PHASE :siren:

...

Infinitum posted:

I don't think your building any sort of good will for yourself at the moment Kash, nor KK for that matter.

Go chill for a bit and come back to the thread.

Ambiguous bussing.

Infinitum posted:

If we're playing the meta game, what's this 'we' nonsense?



Suddenly, maybe the knights, if not fake, are some kind of 3p as far as I'm concerned. They're not terrible, textually. They're just not rad.


That was nice. He quoted a legit concern I have every time TT claims VT, which he always does. So, so townie.

Infinitum posted:

...
Isn't the 3 Headed Knight a villain?

More argument on a 3p, or a bus, or I don't even know. He's not exactly digging up.

And then the YPM fakeclaim against TT got rolling. As scum, he would know they're both not scum, and they both proved not to be scum, but check this poo poo out:

Infinitum posted:

I'm happy to vote TT, but you're a deadman tomorrow if he flips town.

##vote TT



Infinitum posted:

YPM is straight up claiming someone is 100% scum.

If he's lying, he dies tomorrow.

Infinitum posted:

...
I'm not going after you though, all I've done is answered your questions and clarified some of your assumptions.


I said potential scumslip, it's a role heavy game and if we're looking at the meta poo poo the 3 Headed Knight isn't a member of the Round Table.

It's a logical conclusion is all, and I'll be keeping an eye on Shadow0 a lot more because of it.

Like, we're all trying over here. I'm only halfway through his posting history in this thread, but I'm getting a bit tired of this. Feel free to pick it up from there, or I can hit the rest later.

I am very okay with this:

##vote Infinitum

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Infinitum posted:

What a lovely vote after I threw some shade on you.

Everything in your history in this thread is hitting me as very scummy. I shot out an actual case, to boot. Sorry, bro.


Kashuno posted:

I missed the part where you had a good reason to vote infinitum

Remember how YPM fakeclaimed to guage reactions? I think that was good, and I want to look more closely at that later. I called him a good poster because his meta is he's actually good at this.

I think KK may have been doing something similar, and Inf overcompensated. Additionally, I think his content posts from yesterday hint at him having more absolute knowledge than he should if he were a townie. He addresses several specifics at several people.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Infinitum posted:

Like you can't even be bothered reading my whole post history to make a case?

Weak as gently caress half-assed vote.

So, I made this point earlier:

Propaganda Machine posted:

Regarding the null tell thing though, what struck me with Kashuno is that he erupted at being voted on. Getting lynched as town on D1 is perfectly acceptable since it gives the rest of the town a read on the people who were driving the lynch.

Hell, it was even corroborated:

King Burgundy posted:

Eh, sure? But most people aren't that reasonable. Like I'm fine with people voting me, but if they vote me for the "wrong reasons" then I'm going to get mad at them and point it out. Especially if I see some kind of logical inconsistency from the person, since that is my bread and butter of scum hunting. Are they purposely twisting my words to form some kind of scum narrative to vote a person I know is town? Or are they just unable to read? ;)

Scum just got caught.

vote Infinitum 2016 and make mafia great again

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Like if Inf wants to post a reasonable defense, I'm all ears, but right now he's just whining about being quoted and getting a vote against him. Not good.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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I'm frankly surprised you're not whining that I'm not quoting your innocent pre-game posts.

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Jan 2, 2005

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So, like, go ahead and try to build a case against me in the morning, or else try to find us a better, scummier alternative. I've not voted before now because I haven't bought what anybody was selling.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Kashuno posted:

so he called out flavor specifics, that I see. However, why is this scummy?

The flavor claim was clumsy, but I almost don't even care about that.

KK: THIS RIDDLE WILL HELP TOWN IF WE SOLVE IT!

Inf: *goes all the gently caress out trying to solve it*

And, in isolation, that's not horrible, but in context it's not good.

Also, I'm a condescending shitlord because I'm a condescending shitlord. Also, we're playing a game where you point fingers and inevitably accuse people of bullshit they either never did, or never intended. Your point?

Like, I guess I'm sorry I called you out in one of those posts I made and then quoted myself on.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Rarity posted:

"pinging" = this person is pinging my radar as scum

I suspect he may wonder why I was reading as scum, though.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Kashuno posted:

I don't understand why this looks horrible to you. On the flip side, KK thought it was scummy as gently caress of me to NOT want to go all out to solve it. How do you feel about KK's opinion?

Superficially, it's reasonable. Like with YPM's gambit, one would look for outliers on either side. In the middle you have people playing ball, and on either extreme, those people raise eyebrows. Ultimately, that catfight between you two was ridiculous and I have a hard time drawing any conclusions from it.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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oh giggles you missed the part where I'm immediately suspect of an early miller claim.

what a lovely read.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Mayor Glowku posted:

Absolutely this. It's a crowd yelling at eachother. The lurker scum need to step in the ring with the Champ instead of being little wimps!

That's a pretty good point. Scum is laughing their tits off right now if I'm wrong. I don't think I am, but it's fair.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Infinitum posted:

The gently caress are you going on about, I'm responding to your post and now you're trying to pull town cred with "I suspected this earlier"?

Well maybe if you'd bothered to go through my entire post history, it wouldn't be so easy to smack down.

You should go to bed. Have some tea. Sleep on it, and come back refreshed and ready to go.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Sorry mate. I'm kind of trolling at this point. It's very late for you, but very early for me.

You are right in that the second half of your post history deserves a proper look, but this thread is insane and it's hard to play with eyes glazed over.

Still suspicious af, but, like, fine. If you want me to put more time and clarity into why you're pinging me so hard, you do deserve that. Luckily for everybody, nothing's even close to hammer.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Kashuno posted:

oh god you suck.

but you swallow :wink:

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Jan 2, 2005

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Mayor Glowku posted:

Everyone loves the Champ!

Who ... is, "Champ?"

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Kashuno posted:

I appreciate this.

##vote Propaganda I think this is scum trying to find their rhythm after being out for a while, and it's not quite effective.

Scum lurk and coach each other. They're more cautious than throwing out a case on D2.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Rascyc posted:

Prop Machine what post of Infs prompted you to open their post history and case them?

You already asked this, and believe it or not, I'm not ignoring it. Like Inf needs to sleep, I need to work, and I'm sorry but I'm not going to have the time to pick back through the thread until this evening, yankee time. Intuitively I felt some flags going up, both from his posting and from reactions to him. I'll dig it up in a few hours. Pinky swear.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Lastly though, I'm curious about the people who earlier decided that he reads town to them. I'd like to hear more about that.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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In short, both Rascyc and YPM made decent-to-good cases against his D1 flavorfishing. There was also the YPM-TT chain lynch attempt, which is super anti-town, especially for D1.

There's usually not a lot to tick off the spidey senses this early on, but that did it for me.

Lemme catch up on the last 24 hours.

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Jan 2, 2005

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TheDonPeters posted:

Well so did I, in fact I posted that it was pigpen before Infin, I don't follow how trying to engage with one of the few d1 things that had been posted at that point at scummy, or not engaging with it for that matter. But I am still not sure if PM is scum or just nitpicking.

I wouldn't call it nitpicking. Content is good, and at least the thread has a lot more of it now. I wanna pick through some stuff to check out the case against ganny. It seems like it could have some merit.

Inf's case against me reeks of omgus, but what would I know. I really don't like his kneejerk reaction.

Something else that strikes me is that nobody else really took up a case against him. I spat out enough material that scum could/should be eager to dogpile the case against a town lynch. It's circumstantial, but it's something and I didn't want to bring it up before they had a chance to bandwagon in case of me being wrong.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Infinitum posted:

I'm happy to vote TT if your claiming he's 100% scum and can elaborate further mate.

Infinitum posted:

I'm happy to vote TT, but you're a deadman tomorrow if he flips town.

##vote TT



Infinitum posted:

YPM is straight up claiming someone is 100% scum.

If he's lying, he dies tomorrow.

Infinitum posted:

What are your thoughts on Shadow0 after I've caught him in a potential scumslip after claiming the 3 Headed Knight?

Posts in questions for reference:

Infinitum posted:

...
I'm not going after you though, all I've done is answered your questions and clarified some of your assumptions.


I said potential scumslip, it's a role heavy game and if we're looking at the meta poo poo the 3 Headed Knight isn't a member of the Round Table.

It's a logical conclusion is all, and I'll be keeping an eye on Shadow0 a lot more because of it.

Infinitum posted:

Well sure, but the 3 Headed Knight actively tried to kill Brave Sir Robin. (Brave Brave Sir Robin)
If we're going the meta game it would be logical to at least keep a close eye on Shadow0 for claiming it.

There's a ton of side characters like "Sir Not Appearing In This Picture", Minstrels, the "Great Tracts of Land" King-guy, etc.

Going to bed. Gonna be a fun time for the yanks to catch up to 500 posts :tootzzz:

Infinitum posted:

Claim then.
If not your time, then at least your name.

Infinitum posted:

YPM and TT thunderdome IMO

Infinitum posted:

I'm flavourfishing, not rolefishing.

Flavorfishing and an attempted chainlynch on two known town members with a bonus thunderdome.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Infinitum posted:

What kneejerk reaction?

You mean your kneejerk reaction after I mentioned I was suspicious? Then backed out of it with "Just kidding"?

I cased you and you went balls to the wall against me.

Is there literally anybody else in here you'd make a case against? I don't need you to change your vote or anything, just curious.

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Jan 2, 2005

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I'll help you guys get this over with, then. I'm rusty and it hasn't been fun outside of jokephase. Hopefully any of this helps you nail scum before scum nails you. Good luck, town.

## vote PM

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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In case that wasn't hammer, I tried to protect KB last night and got blocked/distracted. Have fun figuring that one out.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Rascyc posted:

Prop why pick KB for your PR?

It was between you and him, actually. He at least engaged with me early on in what felt like a constructive manner, and I couldn't get clear reads on anybody else.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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Azuth0667 posted:

Who all have you tried to save?

We've only had one night so far :v:

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Jan 2, 2005

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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:

##vote Propaganda Machine

Everybody else has made the effort case I wanted to make, but I wanted to point out something here:

TT was janitored, i.e, no cardflip, no role, no alignment.

So, the only people who would know TT's alignment are scum and self-aligned people, in which case, they can happily say "Oh, he was town" because nobody else can confirm it otherwise and TT's actual alignment doesn't mean anything to them.

Hope this helps!

That's a good point. Sorry for the oversight.

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Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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TheDonPeters posted:

My liege!
*Bows low*

Have to say I am still unsure this could be a last ditched ploy


So your claiming doctor? (Correct me if I am using the wrong term) what's your flavour?

It could very easily be a last ditch ploy. Who's to say the game even has and Arthur?

I feel like if anybody should know who Arthur is, it's me. I'm the Lady in the Lake.

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