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Liquid Penguins
Feb 18, 2006

by Cowcaster
Grimey Drawer
Can I play as tiny tina????

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CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

I guess it is destined to get compared to anything with that kind of aethstetic, but come on world, Borderlands came way before Overwatch was even thought of.

I am kind of lukewarm to the game because the level progression is kind of weak; it doesn't really feel like you are becoming super strong as you level up and only being able to spend money on (actually kind of lovely) defenses and ONE extra mech doesn't lend itself to a feeling of earning your win. Still, they can always retune things as time goes on.

ceebee
Feb 12, 2004

Liquid Penguins posted:

Can I play as tiny tina????

Orendi is voiced by Tiny Tina :) she's the 4 armed magic witch character. Super fun to play.

DreamShipWrecked posted:

I guess it is destined to get compared to anything with that kind of aethstetic, but come on world, Borderlands came way before Overwatch was even thought of.

I am kind of lukewarm to the game because the level progression is kind of weak; it doesn't really feel like you are becoming super strong as you level up and only being able to spend money on (actually kind of lovely) defenses and ONE extra mech doesn't lend itself to a feeling of earning your win. Still, they can always retune things as time goes on.

Try out the Advanced Hardcore difficulty on Story missions. You don't get any respawns, enemies are harder, you get more experience and loot. Gear drops and shard currency are shared across whoever you're playing with so no need to get greedy about pickups, just be thorough as a team together :D

Also pvp fights and matches get much quicker and more difficult the more experienced people you play against.

ceebee fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Apr 9, 2016

limited
Dec 10, 2005
Limited Sanity
So which company are they stealing money from, and which game are they ruining to fund this one? :haw:

Anyway, while the two games aren't the same, at a quick glance they are. A bunch of weird characters in a FPS. :shrug: Maybe they can drum up some buttock-related controversy of their own to help market the game.

ceebee
Feb 12, 2004
No other games or studios were harmed in the making of Battleborn lol

The biggest difference I feel between the two is that Battleborn has a bit more progression and motivates you to get good at certain characters, the more you play your favorite characters the more options you have for them gameplay and aesthetic-wise (not just twitch/skill combo/map strategies). That doesn't mean you can't just be a murderer with a character you just unlocked.

I'd rather Gearbox not take that BS controversy as a cheap shot. I'd much rather the two studios focus on the strengths in their differences and both end up successful. So tired of top-down MOBAs.

Orv
May 4, 2011
How has Gearbox made this many shooters without learning how to make good feeling FPS shooting.

ceebee
Feb 12, 2004
I prefer PC over console for Battleborn. It feels much more twitch and easier to use a lot of the more difficult characters to play. That being said, I've been wrecked by people on PC (while I'm using M+KB) who use gamepads to play on PC.

opulent fountain
Aug 13, 2007

Yeah, at this point, I'm mostly just waiting for the open PC Beta. Can't really get into it on PS4. I think I'll like it, but it's ugly and it doesn't run well and the gameplay really does feel bad on PS4 (the two easiest comparisons are going to be Overwatch and Borderlands.) I got some friends IRL to download the beta to check it out with me, and more than one of them has stated that Borderlands 2 felt better and that they remember it looking better.

ceebee
Feb 12, 2004
If you want to play at highest possible framerate and with all graphical settings jacked up PC is definitely the platform for you. Honestly I don't feel what everybody is complaining about with the performance on PS4, it feels plenty smooth enough for me and I can go like 14-0 in PvP games. Even Bloodborne was 30FPS and it felt fine to me except when there were occasional stutters. It is Open Beta though, and they have a month before launch to get together a giant patch to optimize stuff, so who knows what could happen between now and then. I know they're also planning on making tons of balance changes during and after Open Beta because they get a lot of data from so many people playing.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

ceebee posted:

It is Open Beta though, and they have a month before launch to get together a giant patch to optimize stuff, so who knows what could happen between now and then.

This never happens.

ceebee
Feb 12, 2004
Day 1 patches happen quite often these days. It takes a long time to go from Gold to Launch and there's plenty of time inbetween to fix stuff and have it ready for day 1 patch. Look at The Witcher 3 for example, they were patching the game almost immediately after launch.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

It's still never a good idea to go into a beta expecting some massive golden patch that fixes any and all serious performance issues, for which Battleborn on PS4 has many. More often then not these magical patches that people pray for never come or come too little too late and the community is already dead.

Antoine Silvere
Nov 25, 2008

Are these soap bubbles?
Grimey Drawer
How are they trying to charge 60 dollars for this turd lmao

Bonby
Jan 13, 2008

Annoying Dog
While I enjoy the game, I agree that there's something weird going on with the console version of this. I don't understand how the framerate is so low while the game is that graphically unimpressive.

Even the effects have a cartoon 2d feel, which is fine imo but I do not see how this is more graphically intensive than Borderlands on PS4 which runs smoother and is a prettier game overall. This will definitely gather a lot of flak from the press and I can see gamers watching this for a first impression and finding the game to be very bland looking.

Still, I am enjoying the character designs and they all feel different in playstyle enough for me to enjoy the game, but I can see people really not having a good time as well.


Edit: Now that I think about it, I wonder if the game will require an alway online connection even when playing couch co-op. That would be awful if the game shuts down down the line.

Bonby fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Apr 10, 2016

WonderfulWino
Sep 26, 2004

The grape wont cut me loose.
This game is no where near as fun as Monday Night Combat was. The class imbalance makes it so playing casually will be masochistic. It may have more life on PC but I see this as dead on arrival for the ps4.

Almosthere
Mar 9, 2006
I've been having a lot of fun so far. Game runs fine enough on ps4 but I'm more of a console gamer of late so my expectations are probably lower than others who are more versed in this genre. I'll likely be picking this up for release. I forget where I read it but I heard it will be always on connection required to answer Bobby's question.

opulent fountain
Aug 13, 2007

Yeah, I think it's just what I want and expect from a competitive FPS. The 30fps in the previously mentioned Bloodborne doesn't bother me because my precision isn't directly tied to how smooth my view of the world is. I don't think 60fps is the only way I could enjoy Battleborn, but a game like Destiny has way, way better gunplay, so it can get away with its (very consistent) 30fps. Battleborn's core gameplay just fails to excel in too many areas, so the game needs to be more than a sum of its parts.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

It is surprising how terrible the game looks on PS4. I get that there is a lower FPS, but just the resolution for the animated style is pretty horrible.

Bonby
Jan 13, 2008

Annoying Dog
I'm gonna need to see what the PC version looks like next week to get a proper idea if I'm gonna spend 60$ on this or not. There's a lot to like (and a lot to hate) for me. And like others have pointed the resolution of the game on the game mixed with a framerate that feels less smoother than Destiny (a game that looks way better than this) is incredibly alarming. Maybe the pc version will have better texture quality? I'm not really holding my breath on that.

ceebee
Feb 12, 2004

WonderfulWino posted:

This game is no where near as fun as Monday Night Combat was. The class imbalance makes it so playing casually will be masochistic. It may have more life on PC but I see this as dead on arrival for the ps4.

Are you really quoting Monday Night Combat for class imbalances? That's one of the main reason that game died (the devs just completely neglected it). At least with Battleborn they're actively introducing balance patches the more data they get from players, and it's only beta. I loved Monday Night Combat but the devs completely dropped the ball on keeping it updated and balancing characters respectively. They also didn't even have nearly as many characters as Battleborn does.

Orv
May 4, 2011

BobbyBaudoin posted:

Maybe the pc version will have better texture quality? I'm not really holding my breath on that.

If the previous PC test is any indication, only just.

Come As You SARS
Jul 27, 2015
So the lack of conversation about this game leads me to believe its a bad game. I am still going to try it on PC, but drat I was hoping this would be decent.

VocalizePlayerDeath
Jan 29, 2009

I have been playing this game split screen and its really fun. You have can do both the story missions and the online versus this way.
I have played and preordered both Battleborn and Overwatch, they are both good but so much more different than they seemed initially.
Battleborn is online multiplayer Borderlands without character or gear levels so you don't have level disparity inhibiting your ability to play with who you want. The content, both pve and pvp is designed in discreet chunks like a WoW dungeon or D3 rifts.
PvP is a flashy clusterfuck but its just fun. It plays similar to SMNC. It doesn't take itself overly serious with class roles or team composition like Dota or LoL. It kind of reminds me of UT2k4's onslaught game mode where there may be a "right" way to win, but for the most part you can just do whatever you have fun doing.
This is a cool fun game for friends, not esports or powergaming.

suddenlyissoon
Feb 17, 2002

Don't be sad that I am gone.
I enjoyed the PS4 beta. I've always like MOBA's but I can't stand the hardcore aspect of them. The multiplayer story missions were a lot of fun.

opulent fountain
Aug 13, 2007

BearsAreBros posted:

So the lack of conversation about this game leads me to believe its a bad game. I am still going to try it on PC, but drat I was hoping this would be decent.

It's not bad. There's a lot to like and there's a lot to dislike but my impressions from the beta are that its good enough that I could see someone loving it. I think the reason no one is talking about it is because people just don't care about it, which is understandable because it's not making any splashes. Funnily, it's alienating by default because of its humor and writing. I'm annoyed that my favorite character to play also seems to be the most annoying one in the game (Orendi), and some of the banter in the story mode is exactly what you'd expect from Borderlands. This game's shtick seems to be using deadpan curse words.

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005
The question for me is "Is this worth 60 bucks for the campaign?"

It's a given that Overwatch is just TF2 with spells instead of gun variety, but can Battleborn provide me with replayable, interesting coop?

ceebee
Feb 12, 2004

Thor-Stryker posted:

but can Battleborn provide me with replayable, interesting coop?

Yes. Each co-op mission is around 45 minutes I've found (there will be 9 total on launch). Sometimes longer sometimes shorter. There's also challenges throughout the mission that offer rewards and loot is shared among your team evenly so there's no need for greedyness. The harder difficulty (plus no respawn) makes it really challenging but also offers more reward for completing. Also each story has different main objectives to complete it. There's horde mode where you need to fight off waves and defend a point, and there's escort where you need to escort an AI to various locations while fighting along the way. There's a few others I believe, but I haven't spent too much time in the story yet. People seem to be enjoying the co-op quite a bit, plus it meshes in with PvP so all the gear and experience you get in Campaign can benefit you in PvP matches if you and your friends decide to queue up in that as a break from Campaign.

Is it worth $60? I personally think it is, there's a crapload of content just in the open beta and the launch will have even more. And they're already planning on expanding the story and pvp maps, as well as adding a bunch of other stuff. Anything having to do with PvP will be free, as to not split the community.

ceebee fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 11, 2016

FutureCop
Jun 7, 2011

Have you heard of Fermat's principle?
Tried out the beta for PS4 this weekend and had some good fun; like people said, the Meltdown multiplayer mode did a good job at tickling the MOBA-ish mechanics of minion control and exp/gear leveling without being too hardcore. Maybe this will change as time goes on and people get more familiar with the map/mode/characters, but for now it was nice to goof around for a change.

The PVE mode was great too, and I like the idea of leveling up in a match so you can fit any occasion. Previous Borderlands have been pretty lackluster for leveling in my opinion; the levels were a slow drip that rarely introduced unique perks and mechanics and were mostly just +% to some stat. This is a breath of fresh air.

My only complaints with the beta so far were:

*Some performance issues which hopefully get ironed out (though people should be cautious and not gamble on this)

*Text and menus were too text-heavy and small-font to view on a TV for me; feels like this needs to be PC.

*Trying to do the first PVE mission as a solo melee character was an exercise in pain. When I tried it the second time as a ranged character it was a lot better. It was just really hard to deal with bosses and the chaos of the levels as a melee since you're constantly cutting off your vision by getting in people's faces. You're unable to see the attack-tells the bosses are giving since they are on the floor or above. And fighting ISAC without gravity in the last part? Close to impossible. Maybe my fault for playing solo or whatever, but I'd like them to think about it and consider a solution.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


The PVE was surprisingly fun. PVP was good if the teams were well matched but it was hard to tell what we were doing wrong if we weren't doing well and it wasn't always clear what to do in response if you were getting spanked.

Bonby
Jan 13, 2008

Annoying Dog
I think the PVE will be enough to sate me, with all the different characters and loot challenges. Plus the boss fights are very well done and fun to play against imo.

I'll just PVP with goons only, I can't see myself solo queuing in this. Still I want to see how the PC version will end up with the open beta this week, with some luck matchmaking won't be as bonkers as it was during closed and on PS4 open beta.

ceebee
Feb 12, 2004
Should be able to preload Open Beta on PC and XBox right now. It starts tomorrow at 10am. All the characters I find hard to play on console (Thorn, Marquis, Whiskey Foxtrot, Oscar Mike) are a lot easier to play on PC if you're used to PC FPS games.

super macho dude
Aug 9, 2014


pretty dumb I cant play this on xbox today instead of tomorrow. looking forward to it more than overwatch though.

V for Vegans
Jan 30, 2009
I've been playing this game a lot of ps4 and really enjoying it. Getting even just one teammate cooperating with you in voice chat and pulling thralls together to help reinforce a push or coordinating a gank is wicked fun. It's definitely worth trying out since it's free right now.

Bonby
Jan 13, 2008

Annoying Dog
I'm excited for tomorrows open beta on PC, don't forget to join up the discord chatroom in the op if you want to play with goons.

Depending on the PC performance/control options I'll be making my decision by then, but from what I played on ps4 even if I dislike the pvp, the pve/co-op should be enough for me.

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004
This game is much more fun than I was anticipating. Had no idea they had a story mode but they've got a poo poo ton of unlocks so there is some incentive to stick with one character. The first few rounds I played on multiplayer were a clusterfuck but you can still manage to do well if you know what your character's strengths and weaknesses are, even on a basic level.

V for Vegans posted:

I've been playing this game a lot of ps4 and really enjoying it. Getting even just one teammate cooperating with you in voice chat and pulling thralls together to help reinforce a push or coordinating a gank is wicked fun. It's definitely worth trying out since it's free right now.

Feel free to hop in with me if you see me playing!

super macho dude
Aug 9, 2014


Im interested to see how a melee focused character works in a fps/moba/ftw whatever you call these types of games

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


super macho dude posted:

Im interested to see how a melee focused character works in a fps/moba/ftw whatever you call these types of games

Krieg in Borderlands 2 is literally the most fun anything ever, so Gearbox knows how to do melee characters. They learned their lesson from Brick in BL1, who was terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFMnHqxoVgE&hd=1 (Skip to 1:26 for the action, but the build info is worth watching.)

Almosthere
Mar 9, 2006
The melee characters can really be a pain when workin gf in a concerted force properly. I haven't been able to get the hang of it but I've definitely been on the the repeated receiving end. Coordination always seems to be the deciding factor in this game. Whisky is my preferred character his mutations are pretty awesome.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
El Dragon is freaking useless

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ceebee
Feb 12, 2004
There's actually been people saying he's OP. Once you know a character's combos and different helix builds he becomes basically an assassin luchador. If you're low on health run away and teleport back to base or find your nearest healer. He also has a dropkick you can do by sprinting jumping and offhand-melee'ing.

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