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I think the logic they're using is something like, from a gameplay perspective, if there's nothing interesting between locations, is there actually a gameplay reason not to put bonfires in them? Which ignores world cohesion, certainly, but from a convenience perspective makes sense. And in the case of the dragonslayer armor bonfire, it seems like it was supposed to be used to get to the shortcut to the twin princes... except that it really should be at the opposite end of the arena for that to make sense.
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I dunno man, after playing DS1, you realize how much many bonfires there are in DS3. I think there's something like >50 bonfires total in DS3, which is a lot if you think about it.
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Jul 21, 2018 05:08
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Laminator posted:I dunno man, after playing DS1, you realize how much many bonfires there are in DS3. I think there's something like >50 bonfires total in DS3, which is a lot if you think about it. A lot more than that. Including all the DLC and weird sequential ones near the very end, DS3 has 77 total bonfires. For comparison, DS2 also has 77 usable bonfires and DS1 has 42. I think those numbers are accurate.
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Jul 21, 2018 06:40
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when does the DLC come into play, anyway? I just got to the Road of Sacrifice or whatever it's called
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Jul 21, 2018 07:37
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You're not that far from the start of the first DLC. It's gonna be kind of obvious when it happens.
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Jul 21, 2018 07:55
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I finally went back and finished the ringed city. I didn't know how much was left so it turned out to just be the slave knight gael fight. After all the other DLC fights were downers it was surprisingly fun. The fact that there was no second health bar fakeout made a difference. Also, I killed him in high heels.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:You're not that far from the start of the first DLC. It's gonna be kind of obvious when it happens. Yeah, you're really close, but most likely you won't be strong enough to tackle the DLC enemies right away. I think people recommended going into the DLC around level 80, which might be a bit overkill for the first bits but probably accurate for the later, harder parts. I pushed through it at a lower level and those loving enemies made me so angry... Rubbish but hole ahead. Once, I also put down my summon sign at the chapel bonfire thinking I'd explore around with a friend, but it turned out that the final boss is right in there? Legit mistake, but I ended up being creamed in half a second. Sorry dude who thought I was up for that! It's kind of the opposite of all those times I put my sign down right in front of Vordt and I keep being summoned for Dancer. I mean, sure dude, I'll give it a shot, but you're really making it harder on yourself 'cause I'm not worth that extra boss HP.
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CordlessPen posted:Once, I also put down my summon sign at the chapel bonfire thinking I'd explore around with a friend, but it turned out that the final boss is right in there? Legit mistake, but I ended up being creamed in half a second. Sorry dude who thought I was up for that!
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Jul 21, 2018 17:54
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In general I don't see the point of summoning for the Dancer. She's so much more unpredictable and given the wide arcs that all of her attacks possess, it's a recipe for getting hit with attacks that aren't meant for you.
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Jul 21, 2018 17:54
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CordlessPen posted:Yeah, you're really close, but most likely you won't be strong enough to tackle the DLC enemies right away. I think people recommended going into the DLC around level 80, which might be a bit overkill for the first bits but probably accurate for the later, harder parts.
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Jul 21, 2018 18:20
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Raygereio posted:The Cathedral of the Deep is a neat area in that it doesn't have bonfires as progress markers. Instead you unlock several shortcuts that loop back to the Cleansing Chapel Bonfire. So you could have been summoned by someone who just entered the area, or by someone who cleaned the place out and is ready to kill the Deacons. I meant the chapel/church in the Painted World. I haven't reached that part yet, but apparently something opens up where Friede is sitting and that leads you to the final boss of the DLC (I think), but to me it was just a neat bonfire from which to start exploring, I had no idea about that other part. That guy must have been disappointed to summon a level 35 dude with a +4/5 katana...
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Jul 21, 2018 18:47
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CordlessPen posted:It's kind of the opposite of all those times I put my sign down right in front of Vordt and I keep being summoned for Dancer. I mean, sure dude, I'll give it a shot, but you're really making it harder on yourself 'cause I'm not worth that extra boss HP. Just black crystal out if they try to drag you over to the other door. People trying to get you to fight the dancer instead is a waste of your time and theirs, and frankly pretty rude on top of that since there’s no question what the level 14 players dropping their sign right in front of vordt’s door want.
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Digirat posted:I finally went back and finished the ringed city. I didn't know how much was left so it turned out to just be the slave knight gael fight. After all the other DLC fights were downers it was surprisingly fun. The fact that there was no second health bar fakeout made a difference. Also, I killed him in high heels. Gaels arena isn't just a pretty waste backdrop. There are two titanite chunks: a turbo powered ringed knight and a hostile npc that invades when you enter a certain set of ruins. double nine posted:In general I don't see the point of summoning for the Dancer. She's so much more unpredictable and given the wide arcs that all of her attacks possess, it's a recipe for getting hit with attacks that aren't meant for you. I agree dancer is way more fun solo. Somehow that boss is "just right" for the kind of delayed-roll-spam-tempo, unlocked play that the game wants you to use, and the music is cool. Plus running around the arena with a torch after never gets old. The one boss I wish ds3 had ascetics for. asio fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Jul 21, 2018 22:43
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the cathedral of the deep was just a really fun area and i appreciated it
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Kinda shocked at what from thinks is acceptable camera in this midir fight. Over half of its tells are not actually visible onscreen. I wish I hadn't heard about this rancid garbage of a fight so I wouldn't have wasted my time on it since I was feeling way more positive about ringed city before it. I just went and killed the last boss instead, which is a better fight by just about every metric I can think of.
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Digirat posted:Kinda shocked at what from thinks is acceptable camera in this midir fight. Over half of its tells are not actually visible onscreen.
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Johnny Joestar posted:the cathedral of the deep was just a really fun area and i appreciated it It's my favorite Dark Souls level, Creepy cathedrals and messed up Catholic iconography are always right up my alley. I also like the Deacons of the Deep, I know a lot of people consider them underwhelming but I think it was a cool boss concept and the atmosphere was great.
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Digirat posted:Kinda shocked at what from thinks is acceptable camera in this midir fight. Over half of its tells are not actually visible onscreen. I wish I hadn't heard about this rancid garbage of a fight so I wouldn't have wasted my time on it since I was feeling way more positive about ringed city before it. I just went and killed the last boss instead, which is a better fight by just about every metric I can think of. I've beat that guy twice, neither time with too much cursing, and also without much camera problems, so you must be doing something wrong. Staying way out in front while you're trying to learn tells could also be helpful. When you know exactly what way he raises his head for each attack you can stick closer to it.
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Midair is one of the only times in the franchise where you shouldn't circle left and stab the bum, so I can see why he'd be a frustrating fight to new players
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Its attacks carry it huge distances forward and fling lots of its body out of the visible camera no matter what you do, but especially if you're anywhere near the head. Locking on doesn't help since then the camera is just spacking every which way with how much its head flails around. The only way to consistently see it seemed to be standing away and plinking at it with lightning arrows, which did a whole 230 damage each on headshots with 60 faith and the highest spell buff chime in the game, so that would have taken ten minutes. I'd sooner do NG+ shrine of amana again than suffer through that.
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On the topic of weird bonfire placement, what the hell is going on at the end with the finale. You get all the thrones filled and then you warp to the same place you're at but empty, so you can immediately warp to the dreg heap but not the DLC one so you can warp to the boss fight. I feel like there has to be some kind of cut content thing because it feels like they were thinking they could insert the Ringed City DLC into the sequence but couldn't work out the kinks so theres just this point where it feels like theres a big flashing "Insert DLC Here" sign. Kind of like how in Fallout: New Vegas theres a big empty area where the last DLC takes place on the world map but they had to end up making it a separate world-zone.
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galagazombie posted:On the topic of weird bonfire placement, what the hell is going on at the end with the finale. You get all the thrones filled and then you warp to the same place you're at but empty, so you can immediately warp to the dreg heap but not the DLC one so you can warp to the boss fight. I feel like there has to be some kind of cut content thing because it feels like they were thinking they could insert the Ringed City DLC into the sequence but couldn't work out the kinks so theres just this point where it feels like theres a big flashing "Insert DLC Here" sign. Kind of like how in Fallout: New Vegas theres a big empty area where the last DLC takes place on the world map but they had to end up making it a separate world-zone. From usually turns unfinished content into DLC yes. Painted world was definetly unfinished content turned dlc. Probably ringed city too.
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Iretep posted:From usually turns unfinished content into DLC yes. Painted world was definetly unfinished content turned dlc. Probably ringed city too. I wasn't so much saying that, as I wondered if they were planning to literally insert the DLC there later and couldn't get it to work. Like how Assassins Creed 2's DLC is literally inserted into a blank spot in the main story. The theoretical conversation would be someone at from saying "Since we always use cut content to make our DLC's, why don't we leave this blank spot here in the world that we can put it in." And then when they make the DLC they can't insert it without crashing the game and so just give up and put another bonfire warp to it.
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man, I was getting so mad at the Crystal Sage until I realised I had like 30 throwing knives for the clones. that and my dagger made short work of him in the second stage e: and I just took out the giant tree with like one sliver of health left at the end. that's how it seems to go for me in these games. I get stonewalled for a while somewhere, and then I take out a couple bosses. then I get stuck in the next area. also, is there some disadvantage to being Hollowed? morallyobjected fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jul 22, 2018 |
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morallyobjected posted:also, is there some disadvantage to being Hollowed? It makes you gently caress ugly. thats it
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skasion posted:It makes you gently caress ugly. thats it in fact it makes you more powerful. sadly the way it makes you more powerful is giving you luck based on your hollowed state if you have a hollow infused weapon on hand. so basically useless most of the time.
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morallyobjected posted:also, is there some disadvantage to being Hollowed? Heavy penalty to your barbie stat, but only with certain armor pieces
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It makes your Pyro tube top
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Ain't nothing wrong with living the jerky life. It's a good motivation to keep up with your fashion souls.
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Laminator posted:Ain't nothing wrong with living the jerky life. It's a good motivation to keep up with your fashion souls. Unless you're going for the extreme anime fetish fashion souls of vilhelms chest piece with gaels leggings
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holy poo poo, gently caress whatever those creatures are in the outside area of the cathedral that hit you once and cause blood loss to build up like three times
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morallyobjected posted:holy poo poo, gently caress whatever those creatures are in the outside area of the cathedral that hit you once and cause blood loss to build up like three times Getting hit infects you with worms which are what actually cause the bleed build up, if you equip a torch the worms go away.
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The pawns in Dragon’s Dogma get a bad rep, but they definitely helped a lot of people.
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The Shortest Path posted:Getting hit infects you with worms which are what actually cause the bleed build up, if you equip a torch the worms go away. this is super helpful to know! thanks! I accidentally ran into the frost demon or whatever too while all of this was happening, so I ended up running for a corner and using a bone to escape. I barely made it out alive
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Yeah I'm pretty sure the game doesn't in any way communicate that to you so  Good luck! The Cathedral is honestly one of my favorite zones in DS3, I hope you enjoy it.
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I like the aesthetic of the cathedral a lot but it feels like there are always just groups of enemies everywhere ready to mob and kill you. thankfully, I've found the shortcuts from the chapel, so that makes exploring a little less arduous
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morallyobjected posted:this is super helpful to know! thanks! I accidentally ran into the frost demon or whatever too while all of this was happening, so I ended up running for a corner and using a bone to escape. I barely made it out alive I'm trying to figure out what the "frost demon" is
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Regy Rusty posted:I'm trying to figure out what the "frost demon" is Large Crystal Lizard is my guess.
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morallyobjected posted:this is super helpful to know! thanks! I accidentally ran into the frost demon or whatever too while all of this was happening, so I ended up running for a corner and using a bone to escape. I barely made it out alive +10 torch most op weapon in the game, what do u guys think
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Red moss will also get rid of the worms.
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