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Dammerung posted:I think that any film which is only enjoyable/tolerable if half of it is ignored can't be considered a good film. Enjoyable, sure, but certainly not good. Would it perhaps be more accurate to say that there are a number of scenes in the movie that, when removed from context, you find very enjoyable? No, I liked every aspect of the movie and I'm not ashamed, not only that, but it's objectively good and anyone who disagrees simply isn't brave enough to stand up for themselves.
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Fsmhunk posted:No, I liked every aspect of the movie and I'm not ashamed, not only that, but it's objectively good and anyone who disagrees simply isn't brave enough to stand up for themselves. That is great to hear! It's good to enjoy something whole-heartedly and unashamedly. I would disagree with you over it being an objectively good film, but enjoyment in of itself is quite subjective. I might not be the biggest fan of it, but I do not want to diminish your love for the movie or imply that it is erroneous to enjoy it.
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Even if you think the new movie wasn't Good Cinema it has popularized an excellent characterization of King Ghidorah so it's ultimately a positive thing for the series
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I love the hunky wolf dad, he hates godzilla at first but slowly comes to respect him and understand his purpose. Unlike Charles Dance who only sees King Ghidorah as a tool to get his revenge against the human race.
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Sep 13, 2019 20:56
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Fsmhunk posted:No, I liked every aspect of the movie and I'm not ashamed, not only that, but it's objectively good and anyone who disagrees simply isn't brave enough to stand up for themselves.
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Sep 13, 2019 21:17
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Captain Invictus posted:80% of KOTM belongs in the garbage and you belong in there with it, this is absolute fact. Aren't you the guy who compared posting undertale fanart to the plight of black people in America? Perhaps the anime movies would be more your speed...
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Sep 13, 2019 21:48
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Captain Invictus posted:80% of KOTM belongs in the garbage and you belong in there with it, this is absolute fact. The opposite reading is true, and also eat my rear end.
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Sep 13, 2019 22:02
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No the difference there is that 100% of the anime movies belong in the garbage.
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CelticPredator posted:The opposite reading is true, and also eat my rear end. The post earlier about "wanting to like KOTM despite its best efforts to prevent me from doing so" was spot on.
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Sep 13, 2019 22:10
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Captain Invictus posted:please explain why the movie is not mediocre at best, because outside of the parts involving monsters the human stuff was mostly awful. Because it was fuckin awesome, I love watching it. I suppose it is possible it could have had an insufficient number of characters of questionable age getting their tits out for SOME PEOPLE. Not aiming this at you specifically, just a general statement.
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Sep 13, 2019 22:14
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There is such a thing as taking aesthetic pleasure in a film, unless you think people only watch porn for the narrative.
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Sep 13, 2019 22:16
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Fuckin Rodan coming in and loving up a buncha planes was fuckin sweet. It also has the best score of the year. King Ghidorah is an incredibly well rounded villain despite being an alien that doesn’t say a single word.
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Sep 13, 2019 22:20
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CelticPredator posted:Fuckin Rodan coming in and loving up a buncha planes was fuckin sweet. It also has the best score of the year. yes I agree with you the monsters are phenomenal, I have never disputed this the issue is...the rest of the movie, with the humans, who are all bad except like 3 of them
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Captain Invictus posted:yes I agree with you the monsters are phenomenal, I have never disputed this Why are you ignoring my posts? I'd be glad to answer if you would adress my previous post, Thanks.
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Sep 13, 2019 22:26
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'cause you're being really weird
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Mechafunkzilla posted:There is such a thing as taking aesthetic pleasure in a film, unless you think people only watch porn for the narrative. Unfortunately this movie looked like butts too. The monster stuff is grossly inferior to 2014 and Kong as action spectacle
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Sep 13, 2019 22:29
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I thought it looked pretty good. Not as good as 14, but for real what does?
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yeah, the movie looked really good, and stuff like rodan's descent from the volcano and his barrel roll and stuff like that was loving outstanding and mothra's caterpillar form was a cutiepillar
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Captain Invictus posted:'cause you're being really weird No, I don't think you're in any position to make that accusation.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:“I don’t care that the human character suck; I just watch these movies for the monster action.” I was being flip, SMG. I didn't mind it much but I grew up watching Hong Kong action movies. Those hinge on broad emotional beats and a big theme and little else. I never misunderstood the Big Bad's Plan, I never minded the dad's outbursts, I wasn't bothered by the humor. I'm easy about this stuff, both because of who I am but also because I've watched enough Godzilla movies to form a callus over the part of my brain that gives a poo poo about human stuff in kaiju movies (for reference, I also liked Brody's character in G'14 and enjoyed all the human poo poo in Pacific Rim). I can see how people would be bothered by it, and I respect that position. I originally got back into this thread because KOTM's Godzilla was being described as malevolent. There's not a lot of text that supports that IMO. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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See I feel like I'm in this weird gray area where I loved the monster stuff but I hated a good chunk of the human stuff but not enoguh to HATE it, and I felt the monster stuff out weighed the human stuff But not to a degree that I'd fight people over it. To me, this was a Godzilla movie. Not one of the best, but not one of the worst, and getting to see it in a theater was a fantastic experience even if I honestly, legit think that the movie would be made better if the dad was removed 100% and the mom was made the lead and given his beef with Godzilla. Mothra coming down and kicking Ghidorah's rear end as the chanting goes GOJIRA MOSURA FOREVER is the best moment I've had in a theater in years, lame flimsy rear end human scenes be damned I have serious reservations with the nuke thing, even if I can justify it in my head, and I personally do not like what they did with Rodan's character even if I acknowledge that what they DID was fun. It's one of those things where I like it despite itself. I guess because of those two specific draw backs, I can't say this is one of my favorite Godzilla films ever forever Kid me would have loved the film though. Also would have fast forwarded through all the human bits on a lovely VHS before school started to see the kaiju action like he did with DAM
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Burkion posted:See I feel like I'm in this weird gray area where I loved the monster stuff but I hated a good chunk of the human stuff but not enoguh to HATE it, and I felt the monster stuff out weighed the human stuff Not going to say your personal feelings are wrong, but I will say Rodan's actions in the film seemed pretty consistent with the Showa version. He was always kind of a shithead. (Except the first movie, obviously.)
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Burkion posted:Mothra coming down and kicking Ghidorah's rear end as the chanting goes GOJIRA MOSURA FOREVER is the best moment I've had in a theater in years, lame flimsy rear end human scenes be damned Yeah, pretty much. I think if you love kaiju spectacle you can appreciate the parts that the film got right. Rodan's Bongo Drums Of Doom bop-bopping while he leveled a city simply by flying over it is extremely good poo poo.
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Fsmhunk posted:Because it was fuckin awesome, I love watching it. I suppose it is possible it could have had an insufficient number of characters of questionable age getting their tits out for SOME PEOPLE. Not aiming this at you specifically, just a general statement.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Kong Skull Island had much better human plot and basically no one complained. Also as far as I remember no pedo tiddy. Did it really, though?
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So what if it did. How does that make KOTM any worse for me?
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I was simply making the point that people who dislike KOTM aren't looking for pedo tiddy, cause Fsmhunk is being weird.
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They're about the same quality wise (good.)
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Burkion posted:See I feel like I'm in this weird gray area where I loved the monster stuff but I hated a good chunk of the human stuff but not enoguh to HATE it, and I felt the monster stuff out weighed the human stuff oh also the giant foam boulder that hit them and bounced off super obviously and somehow didn't get cut out of the movie lol Terrible Opinions posted:Also as far as I remember no pedo tiddy.
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Fsmhunk posted:Not going to say your personal feelings are wrong, but I will say Rodan's actions in the film seemed pretty consistent with the Showa version. He was always kind of a shithead. (Except the first movie, obviously.) Rodan would never work as anyone's under bitch unless he was mind controlled. Showa Rodan and Heisei Rodan, the only two we can accurately judge the characters of, were fiercely on their own side- he wasn't Godzilla's side kick and wasn't treated as such. He fought Ghidorah on equal footing with Godzilla, and Godzilla didn't convince him to go fight Ghidorah with him. Mothra shamed them both into doing it by calling them bitches and proving she had bigger balls than them both. And Heisei Rodan only cared about Junior and swung at every single motherfucker he could in the film. Him sacrificing himself to revive Godzilla was less to help Godzilla, more to say gently caress You to the humans and protect Junior. Rodan is no one's side bitch and it's unfortunate that's his new character because I'm afraid it's going to stick. But that's not to say that it's BAD- the way they did it is fun, even if I personally dislike that they did it with him. A big point of comparison between Rodan and Angirus- Rodan was never Godzilla's friend. The two fought each other and fought beside each other but only because they had to. Ang was straight up Godzilla's loyal friend and first true ally. The second Ang at least. The first Ang fought Godzilla to the death but that's neither here nor there. Rodan is closer to a rival than anything.
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Burkion posted:Rodan would never work as anyone's under bitch unless he was mind controlled. I see your point actually. Related point, why wasn't Angurius in this movie? Poor guy always gets the shaft.
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He was a skeleton during the underwater city scene
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CelticPredator posted:Fuckin Rodan coming in and loving up a buncha planes was fuckin sweet. It also has the best score of the year. Bear McCreary did some amazing work! Rodan had such a great theme.
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CelticPredator posted:He was a skeleton during the underwater city scene This was officially confirmed also
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CelticPredator posted:He was a skeleton during the underwater city scene drat lol. Guess he can't catch a break no matter the series.
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Kotm would have been better if Serizawa went all Dwayne Johnson in Rampage and spent the whole movie trying to save best friend Goji while communicating with sign language and dirty jokes. I was disappointed that the Rock didn't use the serum on himself so he could go War of the Gargantuas and fight the crocodile as a forty foot tall version of himself. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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Cinemawins (not sins, wins) just released a KOTM video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--XdqNYGARM
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Fsmhunk posted:I see your point actually. Related point, why wasn't Angurius in this movie? Poor guy always gets the shaft. He was in Rampage so the timing was off to be in KOTM as well.
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The people that played Ghidorah played the monsters in Rampage as well.
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