Godzilla & Kaiju Movies: the most fun a man can have in a rubber suit

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E-flat: Jun 22, 2007; 3-flat

Sorry bigass post incoming. I've watched this movie like at least four times in the past two days. Basically,

Phi230 posted:

My favorite part of shin godzilla was the whole movie

I was finally able to see this subbed after watching the dub version a couple months back, and man it's so much better, even more gloriously Anno and on subsequent rewatches I'm picking up on more and more; as expected of the master, Mr. Anno. (ahaha that singular red paper crane, "Lift your head for one more battle, then your spirit may be free"--because your helicopter will explode, etc). Although embarrassing as it is to admit, it was difficult to recognize Famously without Michael George during that part. ...And honestly I got more of a Kindred Spirits feel, maybe because I so closely associate the two, or more likely because on close re-listen Who Will Know immediately before does similar leaps to Kindred Spirits.
~~Regardless, perhaps it means Godzilla just needed a Kaworu. Who would it be, Kaiju experts?~~ haha ok no :suicide:

Also, I had no idea the 'coolant' idea has been done before! I'd watched my fair share of the old Godzilla movies my town's Blockbusters had when I was a kid, but I never saw/remembered those one(s). I honestly thought it was a nod to Sandalphon's handling for a generally-Ramiel Gojira.

Anyway, my question about the ~~aborted 3rd impact failed-new-eva-lifeforms~~ tail thing at the end was pretty much answered in the thread, and whatever happened to Goro Maki is ambiguous/doesn't matter, so my one remaining question is minor, I think:

So like, what's up with the, uh, blood? First when it spills/breaks through the Aqua-Line tunnel at the start--is that Godzilla, for lack of a better term, being born? Or his 'first evolution?' (also wait if what's beneath the crane is that "do what you like" message how did it and the paper survive the eruption/explosion it's implied the coastguards and Maki's boat get caught in?) And then, the second shot of him ashore, his gill-thingies sploosh blood as he kinda shuffle-wiggles down street. Just twice. When he evolves into Upright Gojira and there's the extremely weird filter effect, there's some blood-like fluid?--or other bits, like... the red membranous tissue that seem to be at the seams of his skin and inside his mouth?--that is forced out as he unfolds his little T-Rex arms out from his body. When he evolves... does he have to bleed? Is it blood? It looks like blood, it looks like the stuff the characters call blood that pour off Godzilla after the US bomber attack, especially since it seems like those bombs penetrate godzilla's skin whereas the other bombs couldn't. ...but we don't see him continue to bleed. (That's because it like, absorbs things with its origami molecular structure right?)

...okay, remaining questions.

Because that being said, there was on retrospect a lot less gore than there could have been, mysterious blood-not-blood? of Godzilla aside. I mean, we know a ton of people died, and we basically see a family with a kid trying to escape a building babby Gojira is trying to climb die, but they're obscured by debris falling, and that's the closest we get to a 'oh poo poo those people just died terribly.' Does Toho have a limit or something to keep stuff PG or something, or has Anno really mellowed out in the 20 years since he had a 14-year-old girl esentially literally eviscerated on-screen :v:

or both. Not to say Godzilla's nighttime attack isn't horrific or without allusions to the burning of Tokyo or the atomic bombing of Hiroshima; I guess I just forgot this part of the franchise?

Did Godzilla throw the blue bridge at the people, or was that an unlucky coincidence? He surely doesn't have the dexterity, but there's an odd delay between the explosions and it going flying.

And has anyone bothered trying to translate the random crap that one biologist had spread around him? It seems it could have interesting stuff.

I can see Auf der Gw_ll_ge dieser Sinul__" and "meisten Houpt unterschiede" which google is translating as "most of the differences," so it may not be all gibberish. At the least, it's cute someone apparently screwed up writing DNA in English and tried to correct themselves.

This has what looks like maybe Cyrillic or Greek in the lower right corner? And this is before all the international cooperation. Neato.

And for what it's worth, knowing this conversation has already petered out, I feel all crossovers are generally terrible on principle, but I feel the only one with Shin Godzilla could work if it was with a universe where multiple dimensions were already a known quantity, as well as mysterious indeterminable, unknown isotopes. Hope Godzilla isn't made of Maso particles.

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E-flat: Jun 22, 2007; 3-flat

Burkion posted:

It's definitely blood, it's just Shin's blood.

The main form we see, the adult form I guess, is his fourth form. He stops bleeding after he settles into his second form- his first form is unseen, and it is the thing that attacked the underground and bled everywhere.

Then he decided he wanted to go on land so he mutated into his second form and bled everywhere until that form matured enough and he adapted into a more hardy third form. Which itself led to the fourth form.

The reason why he stopped bleeding ties into a generally accepted thing with all Godzillas- they can regenerate.

How or why Godzilla regenerates is generally not gone into too much, but it's been a power of his since the 70s at least. Godzilla can be grievously wounded and then heal that injury in short order.

The effects to show it properly weren't really there until Godzilla 2000, and even there we only see Orga doing it on screen, but the idea of it has been present for most of the franchise. In theory that's what's up with Shin's wounds, he just heals faster than his body can fall apart early on, and then heals the injuries the army manages to give him near instantly.

Neato!! Thing that confused me was, we only see cutie-patootie Kamata-kun goosh blood on two 'strides' out of all the ones we see him take, and waaay before he grows up. It's kinda what made me question my 'oh he bleeds when he mutates' inference into 'is that the radiation he's just dispensing like when they say trace amounts are dripping from his [then dormant] mouth?' Then again, I also have been interpreting the red (as I said) on his body as membranous tissue (since they pumped the coolant into something, but not just... openly into his mouth like it'd be going down any kind of digestive tract) but it could've been bloody-raw tissue as well.

Burkion posted:

For the lack of blood, it's just a matter of scale.
[...]
there's lots of chances to see the heroes be personally affected by the Angels and what they do.

With Godzilla, in this movie and elsewhere, it wouldn't really make sense. None of the humans are up close and personal with Godzilla- those that are get wiped out in an instant or vaporized.

Humans are just too small to matter to Godzilla, and showing gorey aftermath stuff would be very gratuitous.

One thing I like about Anno is he does take the time to spend on the human toll, the cost in labor and/or time, the what would otherwise be 'behind-the-scenes' in a generic Action Flick/show. Like showing the workers hooking poo poo up frantically. That's one thing I liked about the original NGE anime was the angels didn't explode into a tsunami of blood/LCL on termination but stayed around and had to be dismantled over the course of several episodes while characters continually complained at that costing money.

Seriously, I'm a bit of a dunderhead, so it took my 3rd or so viewing to be like "oh, poo poo, this really looks like the 2011 aftermath, this is bad" and not "oh aha wait is that a shoe some guy lost in that wreckage while Yaguchi silently honors/apologizes to the populace?" or "lol anno and his trains/power lines." Since I've known Godzilla since a young kiddo, he's never been scary to me/I never got the implications. It took that many watches for the latter to fade enough for me to really be able to appreciate the horror and the weight of how many people died/were affected in this film. It hits very hard now, but on contemplating how much Godzilla blood we see versus very little 'human damage' it made me start to think.

And well, honestly, my first exposure to Anno was actually my brothers showing me EoE when I was ten, of which the Asuka death scene made the biggest impression and the only thing I remembered/was coherent knowledge of NGE aside from that scene of Unit-01 eating Zeruel for eh about a decade, so for me, 'gratuitous' and Anno aren't necessarily... :sweatdrop:

Burkion posted:

Though, that is something that is unique to the original film if you've never seen it. We get to explicitly see the victims of Godzilla's attack and actions, through out the film. The burned bodies that washed ashore and those that survived after the city was destroyed. It's some of the strongest stuff in Gojira and entirely unique to that film and its tone.

Huuuhhhh! I'm about 80-85% sure I have, but then again, as a young child, so I don't remember very much at all, certainly nothing like that. Could have been because I was a kid, could have been the dub version I saw 'cleaning' it up. I recall as a kid even kinda thinking they were probably having some 'creative licensing' with some of the stories.

Basically my childhood remembrance of Godzilla generally is:
Godzilla: of course the best and when he goes from bad guy to good guy it's awesome go go godzilla!
Bambi vs. Godzilla [...wait monty python didn't do this?]
King Kong: They're enemies, then they take turns smashing a pagoda(?) to Decide Something (????), and then they're cool
Mothra: She is Awesome because she is the Good Guy in fights and I liked her cry
Gamera: Turtle guy? boring
Rodan: name sounds familiar
Ghidorah: GHIDORAH BEST ENEMY my favorite because he looked like a dragon and had three heads and is gold, the three most important components for being cool. I think I even had a little ghidorah figurine whose necks you could barely move. ...wonder what happened to it.
Mechagodzilla/robo godzilla/alien-sent godzilla thing(s): oh man godzilla is totally outmatched how is he gonna win this one he just got beat!
???: I've seen gifs of this guy in the thread, the one with the scythes that looks like the pokemon Bisharp, he was a pretty good threat
1998: ... this is the new york lizard egg one, right, i think i saw this in theaters

... Seems like I've got some (re)watching to do, huh. Shame nothing's on netflix.

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