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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Burkion posted:

Have you tried MechaGodzilla 74? That thing is a visual delight of nonsense

THRILL to the King Caesar musical number!

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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

PhotoKirk posted:

The movie THEM! needs to be shown to every film student on the planet. It clocks in at 94 minutes and there is absolutely no fat in the story. Every scene moves the plot forward.

For a movie about giant ants mutated by radiation it holds up remarkably well. Maybe not if it was in color, but honestly it's still pretty good.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Timby posted:

Godzilla movies having poo poo home video distribution is immutable, much like the laws of physics or thermodynamics.

I wonder if we'd ever get them under the same distributor. Like one company has the rights to the flicks.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

HannibalBarca posted:

The MST3K situation is a mess but it all stems from the fact that Megalon was for whatever reason in the public domain in the US throughout much of the 80s and 90s, which is why everyone under the sun appears to have put out a cheap VHS release of it back in the day (and why MST3K was originally able to get a hold of it). By the time MST3K put out its DVD of the episode, Toho was being much more aggressive with reacquiring and/or reasserting its rights to movies that had slipped between the cracks in foreign markets.

There was also the very brief release of it on the Shout Factory DVD set which had to be recalled and replaced with The Giant Gila Monster. From what I've been able to gather Toho is extremely uninterested in letting Shout Factory have the rights. And they've tried, I mean they bought the rights to Gamera just for the MST versions.

Godzilla vs. the Cosmic Monster is on Amazon Prime right now, and I think it's exactly the same cut I taped off of Birmingham Alabama's 'Night Moves' late night movie feature when I was a kid in the 80's.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

HannibalBarca posted:

The Gamera thing was a happy bit of circumstance and probably won't happen again -- the new rightsholders for Gamera are apparently not exactly thrilled with the idea of it being fodder for mockery. That said, the upcoming Arrow Video box set for all the Gamera films looks amazing, and the MST3K versions aren't exactly hard to find anyway (and Rifftrax was able to do a video riff of the Gammera the Invincible version of the original film just a few years ago EDIT: nevermind, seems they lost the rights to it since then).

I didn't know they'd lost the rights to Gammera. They still show it on their Twitch channel (I want to say as recently as a few days ago), but now I'm glad I bought it when I had the chance.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Kart Barfunkel posted:

The 90’s gamera trilogy is worth a blind buy for any kaiju fan. Showa Gamera is very much a lower rent, more child friendly Kaiju that may not be for everyone. I like the cartoony style but the older ones definitely don’t hold tour attention the way the 90’s ones do.

I feel like the Showa Gamera are best summed up by a riff from Gamera vs. Guiron where Gamera does some sweet acrobatic work on a handy bar and Joel Hodgson goes, "You know guys, I've just realized how weird this movie is. It's kinda goofy." The first one is a more serious take but the others are entertaining in the same way some of the later Showa Godzilla flicks are, although they do feature more annoying children.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

He doesn't get talked about much but I have a lot of affection for Battra.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

HannibalBarca posted:

That's about the size of it. I'd hesitate to say it's my least favorite of the Showa films, but that's only because I haven't done a full rewatch in a while. It might very well turn out to be the case if and when I do.

What I think broke my heart about DMA was I heard about it for, well, decades before I actually got to see it. Godzilla vs. Gigan might be goofy as all heck but at least I got to see it when I was a kid. The books on Godzilla I had as a kid (the small orange hardback books for one, if anybody remembers those, I'd get them out of my elementary school's library and they were all on movie monsters) all talked up Destroy All Monsters as having ALL THE MONSTERS and sounded like this amazing battle royal on top of Mt. Fuji. It was not.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Son of Godzilla I always kind of liked (apart from when it becomes Minya's show) because as a kid I found the Kamacuras creepy when they would chase the humans and Kumonga is a giant spider which ew. Also Godzilla straight up murks monsters in that one which kind of blew my mind when I was little.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Magic Pus posted:

Now- it’s ‘All Monsters Attack’ that just totally blows. That glorified ‘clip show episode’ HAS to be the consensus choice for worst of the Showa Era, right? It’s the only one I don’t like. Having all your monster fights take place entirely within a kid’s daydream is bad enough but the majority of them are just recycled from ‘Son of Godzilla’ and ‘Ebirah’! I like those movies for their light, breezy feel but they were janky enough without being repackaged into an after school special. I DO kinda like Gabara’s design, in a ‘rejected Kure Kure Takora suit’ kinda way...

Interestingly people have been reevaluating that movie in recent years. While certainly it's a clip show, it also feels like on some level exploring the downside of being a latchkey kid in 60's Japan than being a giant monster movie.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

https://twitter.com/Htop_Gunder/status/1283103243418120192

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

PriorMarcus posted:

Is Gorgo actually available to watch or buy anywhere? I loved it as a kid, and saw it long before I saw any Godzilla film.

You can watch it free with ads on Tubi. It's also probably like on Dailymotion or whatever too.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

how dare marty now i am GLAD dances with wolves beat goodfellas

(That hurt to say as even as a joke.)

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

https://twitter.com/reiyashi/status/1287007012430249986

Oh, my.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

McSpanky posted:

No, they're horrible.

Even worse, they're boring.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Terrible Opinions posted:

Honestly it, Fate Zero, has all of the same problems as his other crappier works, but people like it for reasons that are beyond me.

Also like Madoka, it's got some amazing animated sequences.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Big Mean Jerk posted:

G84 isn't my favorite and it has some dull stretches but I'm pretty sure the american edit is the first Godzilla I ever saw. It was either that one or SpaceGodzilla super early one morning before school back on Starz or Showtime or something.

It was the first Godzilla movie I found to rent on VHS and remember being vaguely disappointed when I saw it (being, like, 8) because Godzilla fought other monsters and he was just fighting the army.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

https://twitter.com/GodzillaWiki/status/1291429381345288192

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Vintersorg posted:

I've been going through a ton of "Brandon Tenhold reviews..." on Youtube and I can tell he's genuine. Usually after he ribs the movie he'll be like, its still fine.

The only problem with Brandon's stuff is Toho will take your video down if you have even a hint of a man in a rubber suit in your video.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

mandatory lesbian posted:

It's for the best, a lot of the people who think it's just "giant monster go roarrrrrr" would be utterly disappointed by the amount of talking and standing around in all the movies

When the last two US Godzilla movies came out, some acquaintances went to see it for lack of anything else geek-related to see in theaters and both times complained to me (being the resident Godzilla fan) of how much there was talking and human things compared to monster stuff. I made sympathetic noises but reserved full empathy for if they ever watch Monster Zero.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

The live action AoT? I haven't seen it and I hear it's loving terrible but I do want to watch it since the effects were done by Higuchi Shinji, from the Heisei Gamera films, Shin Godzilla, the upcoming Shin Ultraman, etc. so yeah it's kaiju in a way.

I've heard it's... visually interesting to watch in places (although hampered by being big budget for Japan but not for the US) but, yeah, kind of terrible in all respects.


Burkion posted:

Glen from The Colossal Man is not a kaiju, he's just a man who has grown to enormous size and suffers for it.

"What sin could a man commit in a single lifetime..."

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I have a lot of fondness for both Gigan movies, even if the Godzilla suit is visibly disintegrating in the first one. Gigan himself is the best heel tag team member ever.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

The Bee posted:

Destroy All Monsters definitely coasted some on the everyone-is-here gimmick. Which, for all its flaws, I think Final Wars does a bit better.

DMA also suffered for me reading about it in books and mentally hyping it to near impossible levels. That was my fault.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Biff Rockgroin posted:

Watched Final Wars for the first time in a decade tonight.

Hoo boy, that movie is the weirdest end cap for an era. The costume work is arguably the best there ever was and the CGI was... there.

I have to say, I remember it being over the top, but I don't remember it being so self aware (The UN guy showing up again and just saying, "I escaped somehow.")

I don't really know how to articulate how I feel about it. It's more of a love letter to the Showa era than anything else, so it's supremely dumb, but all the monsters get to have slightly more distinct personalities than usual. The only thing that actually annoyed me was how bleached out a lot of the scenes looked.

I secretly mark out every time I've watched Don "The Predator" Frye say "There's two things you don't about the Earth: one of them's Godzilla. The other one's me."

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I always forget that it's like a whole musical number to wake up King Caesar.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Desumaytah posted:

Anguirus is cool because he crawls on his weird human knees and his tail is just this endlessly spiny piece of poo poo that he definitely had to hurt his soul to wag. He didn't get a breath weapon or anything, he was just this poor broken bit of of nature with an admittedly cool spiky shell saddled with just every goddamn disadvantage a giant monster could have in a world of other giant monsters. He had the brain of a Canada Goose or a honey badger though so just gently caress you, just absolutely gently caress you. Like the T Rex from the first King Kong was reincarnated to fight an even more bullshit monster but just decided to run with it.

There is something special about the way he fights. Like, sure, biting onto one of Ghidorah's necks will probably end badly when the Three-Headed Monster takes off to the skies but he don't care. If you told Anguirus 'good luck' he would tell you 'never had it, don't need it.' (In record scratch speech bubbles.)

I liked there was clearly a fan of the 'little' guy on Final Wars, giving him his video game death roll attack and letting him wreck a lot of stuff before being wrecked by Godzilla (if at least not killed).

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Oh, G-Fan, no.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Burkion posted:

OG Kong is kind of quaint, almost precious in how racist it is. The natives, Pacific Island Natives (this is big important we'll get back to it) are presented as fairly intelligent and reasonable, non violent. This would be largely fine...except that they're all the biggest Hollywood DARK AFRICA stereotypes you could ever find. Like a chunk of DARK AFRICA complete with masks dropped into the pacific ocean. Which is kind of adorable as far as these things go.

One of my favorite bits from Mystery Science Theater was from The Leech Woman, where the great white hunter turns to their native porters and yells what is obviously just a stream of jibberish the actor might well have been told to make up on the spot and Mike says, "Clearly, he speaks African." I think about that line a lot when I watch older movies when they try to represent like any indigenous culture.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I kind of like Mothra for Battra.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Timby posted:

Filming wrapped in 2019. The whole reshoots thing was a rumor that came from some clickbait site like WeGotThisCovered (or something of its ilk) that claimed there was a disastrous test screening and like half the movie was being re-done, hence the delay (as opposed to, you know, a loving global pandemic).

Yeah, if it comes from there or CosmicBookNews it can be safely ignored.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Nikumatic posted:

I read tons of those Crestwood House books from my school library, but don't think I ever saw the Godzilla one.

Oddly my elementary school library didn't have the big ones like Dracula or Frankenstein but it did have Godzilla. They also had The Deadly Mantis which I thought was really cool but never actually saw until the MST3K version a decade and some change later.

Was there not a Them! book? I could have sworn there was.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Shiroc posted:

Extremely Conservative Voice: The real monsters are street crime and women in the work place.

Also in Gamera vs. Guiron traffic accidents.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Biff Rockgroin posted:

I don't know how to tell you this, but Gigan always was and always will be a +1.

I like to think of Gigan as the kaiju version of Arn Anderson. He's a great worker but his best stuff is as part of a tag team.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Just Offscreen posted:

Its very..2010's soft anime. Which isn't bad.

It's true. They do look like they could belong to a music club that doesn't actually play much music.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

GATOS Y VATOS posted:

There is something very wholesome and endearing about an OK! ANGUIRUS t shirt

https://twitter.com/kaijunewsoutlet/status/1324084197225541638?s=21

Oh, no. I've seen something I can't have.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

HannibalBarca posted:

The Heisei and Millennium stuff isn't really in Criterion's wheelhouse, and I think a lot of other boutique labels that might be willing to look into it would be given pause by how obviously difficult Toho was to work with for the Showa set.

In hindsight it's no wonder that the movies have been split up among so many distributors since just about forever, it feels like.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Dangerous Person posted:

How was Toho difficult? I've seen it mentioned before but not in detail

I'm under the impression that a lot of Japanese studios feel like their properties should command as much money overseas as they do at home, which makes things prohibitively expensive. I'm sure a lot of distributors would like to just have the rights to distribute Godzilla in English-speaking countries but it would probably cost an arm and a leg for the rights to every movie starring the big guy.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Gigan is the Tully Blanchard of the kaiju world and I will hear no arguments otherwise.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Vince MechMahon posted:

Who are the other horsemen? Who is the Mongo of Kaiju?

Sometimes watching clips of Mongo feels like a dream so I'll say Gabra.

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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017


I would like this but for Anguirus, please.

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