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Violator
May 15, 2003



It's interesting how the American Godzilla is a good guy but the Japanese Godzilla is a bad guy.

I had only ever seen the really old Godzilla movies growing up, so my entire understanding of him was based on the original movie and all of the goofy stuff in the 70s with Megalon and whatnot. I recently started watching the 90s and 00s movies and was pretty surprised that Godzilla has basically been a bad guy for like the past 20 years. Not only that, but there were a few scenes in the various movies that were downright scary. I can't remember what movie it was, but there was a shot of him standing in the ocean while a girl stood on a dock and they were looking at each other. It only last a few seconds but for some reason it was really chilling.

This new version of Godzilla really reminds me of a cat ready to pounce. He's standing there motionless and his tail is whipping back and forth right before he strikes.

Edit: I was also surprised how many of the roles were reversed. I thought Ghidorah was the ultimate villain, but he was a good guy in some of the newer movies fighting Godzilla.

Violator fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Apr 14, 2016

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Violator
May 15, 2003



Well drat, I should have paid closer attention. I had them on in the background while working.

Violator
May 15, 2003



SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Godzilla is the villain in both GxMG and Tokyo SOS as well.

Out of curiosity, I checked and found he appears to be the villain or one of the bad guys in these movies:

Return of Godzilla
Godzilla vs. Biollante
Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
Godzilla vs. Mothra
Giant Monsters All-Out Attack
Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.

So roughly half of the "modern" era. (I'm defining modern as during my lifetime of Godzilla '85 and onward, ha.) It could also just be that I had more of a reaction to some of the more serious portrayals of destruction and fighting in some of those movies, having grown up watching a small handful of relatively playful Showa movies. Stuff like having Godzilla electrocuted so badly by Mechagodzilla that he starts foaming at the mouth and barfing in GvMG2 seems kinda brutal when I'm used to the Super Friends version.

I guess the real take away is I need to watch more Godzilla.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Mr. Funny Pants posted:

I can't believe Gareth Edwards didn't say at some point, "Dude, are you awake? You can emote, I won't get angry."

I can't remember where I read it, but he was supposed to be very calm and collected at all times to (a) reflect his training in the military and bomb squad unit and (b) to contrast with his animated and emotional father. During filming Taylor-Johnson supposedly went somewhere where he wasn't recognized as an actor and the folks around him thought he was in the military because he was informally in-character since he was used to acting stoically and mechanically for the role. I think this might have been in that Art of Destruction making-of book where Edwards discussed it.

I've never really had a problem with his performance because it's how I figured someone like him would act, but I can see where other folks would want something more dynamic. I feel like he comes off basically like a military version of Grant from Jurassic Park, but a Malcolm-like character would be more fun. Or even just Cranston as is the common consensus.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Dylazodelan posted:

G'14 put on a clinic in terms of misleading marketing. The very first trailer, with Godzilla rising out of the rubble and Oppenheimer doing his "I am death" speech, prepared me to see a film where Godzilla was death incarnate and rearing to tear humanity a new one. Instead, he was pretty chill and only wrecked people and stuff when it was explicitly in his way (the shot with him being flanked by Navy ships was cool, but I feel like that wouldn't have flown with the Godzilla we were shown in the trailer).

Yeah, a lot of misdirection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIu85WQTPRc

You'll see a split second MUTO foot, but since at this point you don't even know the MUTOs exist you don't know what it is so it could be anything. They even show different versions of scenes to throw you off. In the trailer, Godzilla is roaring at the viewer at the end as the door closes but in the actual film he's fighting a MUTO as that same door closes. I don't think they showed anything really identifiable as MUTO in the initial marketing campaign. Looking back on it now with fresh eyes, I can definitely see why people were pissed that Cranston dies early. I never watched Breaking Bad so I had no real connection to him at the time so it didn't bother me at all. But watching the trailer†now he appears to be the main character, he's narrating it, and Taylor-Johnson is shown for just a second or two. If Cranston was one of the main reasons I went to see it, I would be disappointed that he was only in the first 1/3.

The teaser and main trailers are two of my favorite ever and I think do a fantastic job selling Godzilla. "Those weren't nuclear tests. They were trying to kill it." HOLY poo poo.

Violator
May 15, 2003



And apparently the director hated Godzilla '14 teases:

quote:

Weíre also fundamentally not playing the same game that Gareth Edwardsí Godzilla did and most monster movies do, which Iím sort of sick of the notion that a monster movie needs to wait an hour or 40 minutes until the creature shows up. Kong traditionally does not show up in these movies until very, very late, and the monster traditionally does not show up until very, very late in a monster movie, so a lot of these movies tend to have this structure thatís a bit of a slow burn. Something about this movie made me want to reject that and play a very, very different game.

So expect a lot of action.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Improbable Lobster posted:

Then another poster claimed that Edwards had hosed up and had to be handheld throughout Godzilla and had to have most of Rogue One reshot.

I think the poster actually meant that Edward's reshoots on Star Wars soured Legendary on wanting to bring him back for Godzilla 2. I've never heard of any production problems on Godzilla '14 and everything I've read has been positive from everybody involved.

I'm starting to notice this steady undercurrent where for some reason Edwards is turning into a weird divisive figure like Zach Synder is among a certain segment of film nerds.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Basebf555 posted:

Edwards got the gig on Godzilla based on the modest success of one low-budget film that really wasn't very well known, and then Godzilla turned out to be a very divisive film. Rogue One was well received, but not such a unanimous hit that its going to shut people up who were already saying that he's an overrated director who's out of his league.

I'm not saying I agree with any of that but I can see where its coming from. I don't think Edward's reputation as a filmmaker is really set in stone yet, his next few films will really be what decides that, they'll determine whether he ends up as a footnote director or someone pay attention to for the next decade+

Ah, good point. M. Night looked to have a super strong and potentially iconic career with his first few films, but that petered out after a while. I have hopes for Edwards and have been a fan of all of his films, but like you said we'll have to see how things go.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Like Bigfoot, there isnít a single Kong. There may only be one *King* Kong, but they are legion. And they are here to conquer the broken remnants of humanity left tattered after the great Titan war. This truly is a Planet of the Kongs.

Or there could be one Kong, I donít remember what Skull Island said.

Violator
May 15, 2003



I just left a hipster coffee shop, it was packed with liberals, whispering amongst each other about how Kong vs Godzilla will be using one of the unused Freddy vs Jason scripts. Everyone is PROUD!

Violator
May 15, 2003



Davros1 posted:

I equate it with the Bay Transformers series. Bay revels in filming so much action/destruction that it all becomes so boring as the film goes on. Godzilla 14 did it right by keeping the scenes to a minimum.

Yep, I was going to say the something. Not only are the Godzilla scenes kept to a minimum to keep him special, but each of his individual scenes is special. Basically every time he's shown on screen is super bad rear end:

- Stomping onto the airport
- Being escorted around the world by the Navy
- Getting attacked at the bridge
- etc

There's no fluff so you can easily remember how awesome the scenes are. Even the glimpses of him on TV are badass when he's fighting the Muto. I think it's the perfect Godzilla movie.

Violator
May 15, 2003



My only concern with hurricane monsters is that everything will be so big and so busy that it will be visually crowded. Like how Doomsday in BvS was in a constant electrical storm was a neat idea but pretty visually cluttered even with experts like Snyder and Fong behind it. The trailer looks good, though, with a lot of wide framing.

Violator
May 15, 2003



In the Post Mortem podcast with Mike Dougherty posted last October, he said there are the four main monsters and then three additional monsters in the movie. Iím not sure if he meant new monsters or redesigned monsters, but he said he busted out his sketch book while designing them. Just listened to the episode last night.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Seems weird there would be multiple different volcano bird monsters unless they are a family unit like the MUTOs. Iím guessing the drawing is battled damaged (if Rodan doesnít have feathers) or the toy has a layer of molten lava on its wings (if Rodan does have feathers).

Violator
May 15, 2003



Next trailer is Sunday, Dec 9 from Comic Con Brazil.

Violator
May 15, 2003



I really hope thereís a lot of clear wide shots of the monsters. For all of the ďLOL Godzilla is hardly in the movie,Ē when they did show him he was usually nice and wide with very little foreground obstruction, atmospheric effects like rain, or unneeded camera shake. When you saw him you actually saw him. Even when the camera was shooting through a window or car, you still got a really good look and the editing wasnít too frantic.

The first trailer was promising and I hope they keep it up.

Violator
May 15, 2003



So Godzilla's marketing was red, Skull Island was yellow, King of the Monsters is blue, I guess GvKong will be green?

A little concerned that it looks like the big monster fights take place in giant storms with a lot of camera shake. It makes sense since each of the titans brings weather effects, but I'm still a tiny bit concerned since G'14 was so good with it's fights. Edit: I don't want anything obscured by rain or crap.

I just realized that in the first movie, Godzilla brought a tsunami when he arrived. Rodan is volcanos, King Ghidorah is hurricane. What's Mothra? Tornado? A tornado of love?

Violator
May 15, 2003



Mr. Funny Pants posted:

Godzilla has to be using the same PEDs that Olympic sprinters use. Dude was hauling rear end.

For a split second I thought he was going to bust out a drop kick. :O

Violator
May 15, 2003



Monaghan posted:

I hope the movie confirms that Gidorah's an alien so that we can have poo poo like Space Godzilla and Gigan show up.

There's a sequence with something huge burning it's way through the atmosphere towards earth. Could be anything like Rodan dive bombing, Mothra doing something, or it could be a flashback to when Ghidorah arrived on earth and killed the dinosaurs?

Violator
May 15, 2003



So if there really are only four films in this universe, and Godzilla already had the biggest baddest finishing move I've ever seen in G'14, I'm not sure what they're going to do in this. Will they actually kill any of the classic monsters? Like will Godzilla have to kill each head of KG one at a time? Break the first one's neck, then rip the other head open like the original Kong, and then in the climax a diamond cutter off a cliff onto a nuclear plant to finish the third one and the entire body off?

Edit: I would also accept a Lawler piledriver or a Steiner Screwdriver off a building on the third head.

Edit2: poo poo, with three heads you could do a piledriver and a double Evenflow DDT on the other two heads! There has to have been a Japanese promotion that's done this?!

Violator
May 15, 2003



Gí14 had deceptive marketing to hide the MUTOs (the trailer had the door closing while Godzilla roared vs the movie had Godzilla fighting a MUTO while the door closed is the one that jumps out at me), so they could be hiding something even if it looks like theyíre showing something else.

Violator
May 15, 2003



The thread needs a new clever title.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Welp, my concerns about atmospheric effects ruining the wide shots are gone. This is astonishingly beautiful and borderline unbelievable. I thought G'14 was super impressive, but this looks to be much more so.

Violator
May 15, 2003



This poster looks legit?

God vs King
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5034838/

I hadnít seen it yet, but it might point to Kongís size in the movie? Posting mobile so canít figure out how to embed it.

Edit:

Violator fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 30, 2019

Violator
May 15, 2003



Gosh dang, the scale might be wrong but those are some beautiful posters.

Violator
May 15, 2003



I love G14 and donít mind the teases, but I feel like they donít work like Jaws. The shark is hard to see because itís hidden under dark water so it makes sense from a character perspective that Brody and the folks canít see it. But the teases in G14 actively feel like a creative decision: characters see the monsters but the viewers donít get to see what they do. I distinctly remember feeling teased when I first saw the movie and I never felt that during Jaws. Iím fine with it, though, because I thought you saw the monsters plenty in that movie and the views that you do get of them are fantastic. Seeing Godzilla lumbering into the bay in the super wide shot was stunning.

Violator
May 15, 2003



DC Murderverse posted:

this is really funny to watch because you can kinda play "guess what station this is supposed to play on" with each spot, they're all for the same movie but the dialogue, music and scene choices are clearly attempting to reach different audiences. A fun little glimpse into film marketing.

ďGodzilla... fights for love... tonight on ABC Family.Ē

Violator
May 15, 2003



drat.

Violator
May 15, 2003



I had one of those orange and black kids books about Godzilla when I was growing up in the mid 80s. Wish I still had that.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Rewatching Godzilla Ď14 in preparation for KOTM this evening and I just realized something about the ending. The nuke goes off in the San Francisco bay because they couldnít get it open to deactivate it. The entire coast and the ocean is basically doomed, right? Nope, Godzilla absorbed all of the radioactive energy. Thatís probably what revived him as he laid dying.

I hadnít seen this posted before, but itís like ďof course!Ē when I saw the bomb explode and then everyone was alright the next day.

Violator
May 15, 2003



This movie is basically a dumbed down BvS combined with the family dynamics of Jurassic Park 3. The intro is a destructive scene from the previous movie seen from a new perspective that leads one of the heros to misguidingly become a villain until they realize the error of their ways. The end takes place when one of the creatures has unstoppable energy blasts radiating out every time they are attacked, with a nuke blast only making them stronger. Etc etc.

My biggest worry was that the monster scenes would all take place at night with atmospheric effects and shaky cam. Thatís exactly what this movie is. I donít care if thereís a storyline reason for King G to bring a hurricane with him. It feels like this movie learned nothing from G14 or Skull Island. Having watched both today before this movie, Skull Island in particular looks leagues better with clearer wide shots of the monsters and much better camera work.

And the human story is just as dumb as critics are saying. I didnít think it would bother me but the first two movies have much stronger human stories.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Mr. Funny Pants posted:

The premise starts with the absurd. That doesn't mean you have to force absurdity upon absurdity.

I agree with everything youíve posted.

I liked the movie and the directorís other work, but of the three Legendary movies I like this the least and donít like some of the directions itís taking the series.

Also, this may not be a popular opinion, but as someone who grew up watching Godzilla movies (and loved Vs Kong, Vs Megalon, etc.) I donít care if this mirrors the previous movies or want them to integrate a bunch of wacky stuff just because wacky stuff once existed around the character. I want the Legendary movies to be a self contained amazing series. Have homages, fine, but I donít want to hand wave away a bad plot just because movies from 40 years ago sometimes had silly plots.

But, even as someone who can quote a bunch of the silly stuff (ďIím going to Hokkaido! ... Donít go to Hokkaido!Ē) my favorite is the first movie and the more serious tone so I know my tastes probably donít translate to what other people want.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Burkion posted:

...

I know it isn't

But if that was a super obscure reference to Barry's Temple of Godzilla

Wow! Havenít thought about that site in a long time. Glad to see itís still up.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Ben Nerevarine posted:

There's one moment in the film when Godzilla and Ghidorah are going at it in a straight shot, and I am jazzed: all the other problems aside, at least I get to see giant monsters duke it out. And then, in that moment of ultimate anticipation, the goddamn Super X rises up from out of frame to block the entire shot. This was the ultimate microcosm: the smooth, gray, flat hull of the human story cockblocking the only interesting thing this movie had going for it.

I remember that moment too because it took me out of the scene. And it wasnít done for some sort of masterful purpose like the teasing in the first movie or as a beautiful composed shot. I remember thinking that like 60% of the frame was taken up by the round pure white jet engine for no reason. Very strange.

Violator
May 15, 2003




Just like a jet engine Godzilla has exhaust. The laser comes out the front and exhaust comes out the back, so his toots are keeping him up. Imagine the smoke billows from a space shuttle launch shooting down into the ocean.

Violator
May 15, 2003



Vinylshadow posted:

https://twitter.com/kenhi7000/status/1136604107249147904

I adore the creativity that KotM's spawned and I can't wait to see what people do for GvK

I see art like this, and even the official art that was released, and wish the movie looked more like this. Wide clear views of the monsters fighting instead of ground level shaky cam during a hurricane. The trailers included beautiful shots like these but thatís all there was, two minutes out of two hours.

Violator
May 15, 2003



So the novelization says Kong receives a call to join a hunt ands that first signal he canít ignore from the outside world? Is that Godzilla calling as he passes Skull Island or something else?

Violator
May 15, 2003



KOTM is going to make less in its entire US run than G14 made in its opening weekend?!

Violator
May 15, 2003



Maxwell Lord posted:

After viewing the movie a second time my opinion's pretty much the same- flawed but man, when it works. I'll even say that the problems with the "human characters" really boil down to just the protagonist; at some point you feel someone went through the script and said "we need to make this guy more protagonist-y" and wrote in him having all the ideas, because the protagonist has to be Active, dammit, not realizing that Godzilla movies are pretty much always ensemble pieces.

Yeah, thatís true. ďWe need the hero to do something dynamic here! What if the back door wonít open for some random reason and heís the only one who can run to the back of the ship to open the door for the helicopter to land? Itíll be like Avengers and Star Trek! Perfect! Who doesnít love mechanical maintenance action scenes?!Ē

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Violator
May 15, 2003



Godzilla vs Kong delayed?

quote:

At a conference last week, as reported by Deadline, Warner Bros. Studio chairman Toby Emmerich noted that the studio wants to ensure Godzilla vs. Kong is a big time hit.

ď[Godzilla vs. Kong] will deliver for fans in the way they were looking for,Ē Emmerich promised. ďIt might come out later in the year, so we can deliver an A+ movie.Ē

The current release date for the fight film is March 13, 2020, but it sounds like thereís a good chance that weíll be getting a new release date really soon. Stay tuned for more.

https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3566316/godzilla-vs-kong-may-pushed-back-release-date-later-march-2020/

quote:

As far as franchise fatigue with Legendaryís Godzilla: King of the Monsters tanking, Emmerich said that next yearís monster movie Godzilla vs. Kong ďwill deliver for fans in the way they were looking forĒ in the latest Godzilla. ďIt might come out later in the year, so we can deliver an A+ movieĒ said Emmerich.

https://deadline.com/2019/06/warner-studio-toby-emmerich-peter-roth-dc-netflix-godzilla-vs-kong-kevin-tsujihara-1202629538/

Included both articles so you can see Deadline's snark about BO performance. Argh. Why do I always follow doomed franchises?! It's my understanding that they already filmed GvK so it's not like they can just cancel it at this point at least.

Edit: Here's the plot summary:

quote:

ďIn a time when monsters walk the Earth, humanityís fight for its future sets Godzilla and Kong on a collision course that will see the two most powerful forces of nature on the planet collide in a spectacular battle for the ages. As Monarch embarks on a perilous mission into uncharted terrain and unearths clues to the Titansí origins, a human conspiracy threatens to wipe the creatures, both good and bad, from the face of the earth forever.Ē

So whatever is left of King G is re-made into a new monster to kill the titans and G and K will have to team up to stop it just like folks here speculated. Maybe Vs movies are just hard, but KOTM and KvG really feels like they're using a lot of BvS broad strokes.

Violator fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jun 10, 2019

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